Fuck Your Lore: The Game

>Fuck Your Lore: The Game

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They are up front about it being a non-canonical side story right? If so then whatever. No one is going to make a Silmarillion game or whatever so let people make whatever they want in that universe as long as they are up front about it just being side stuff for fun.

>Wow Warlord of Draenor
>Mass effect Andromeda*
And we can continued for some other titles

Fuck the lore and fuck anybody who cares about it. Lore deserves to be shit upon in all instances just as a giant fuck you to the people who care about that shit because they're all autists who deserve to be punished. I applaud anyone who pisses off a fanbase because people who are "fans" of things are fucking scum bags.

I just want to kill orcs and such in middle earth and I don't care how they rape the lore to give me what I desire.

This. We all know it was going to just say fuck off to the lore. Did it last game. Why not let them go all out and just have some fun story without lore constraints?

Get over it you fuckin virgin just play the game and shut up you whinging cunt

They've said since before the first game came out that it's their own thing based on middle earth, not canonical stuff.

I really don't get why lorefags get so pissed at this.
You're lore isn't getting touched. It's not getting changed. Nothing's happening. This is just a fun video game based on Tolkien's work, they are just making their own version of it. This isn't canon and iirc devs are even upfront about it.

Stop being so fucking uptight and loosen up a little. There's absolutely no reason to get stressed out like this.

Especially since it's a SEQUEL. Shit already happened with the first game. Fucking let go.

I juts hope it's not as easy as the first game. That turned babby tier as you progressed.

What's so bad about the lore? What did they change?

>tolkien rips off a variety of european myths and legends
>it's not ok to make up shit about his story
really makes you think

>Get wounded at the Somme
>Spend 10 years building the most detailed fantasy world
>Making money even 40 years after dying
>Son still alive
>Still get BLACKED despite being specific about character descriptions and lore

JUST

Because the lore is the fun? Why make it a LotR game then? They are just using the name.
I wouldn't expect any modern western developer to understand and implement Tolkien ideas correctly anyways, so we know from the start that it was going to be a fuck up in terms of lore. Doesn't make it any less offensive, such a disgrace to the Tolkien state.

Oh, so not only you haven't read the source material, but also haven't read anything other than The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. Probably not even that.

I see you are completely unfamiliar with Norse mythology.

samefag

eat shit nigga he didn't even make very fleshed out languages

Yeah, the game doesn't get me angry really, not like some games. It's just somewhat disappointing. It's all the dressings of Tolkien but none of the heart. Really all I want is a game where you play as a hobbit going on an adventure like Bilbo or Frodo. Instead there's an okay game about an edgy version of Boromir, which is fine, but not really what I want.

You wish m8.

fag

>They are just using the name

You figured it out, Sherlock. That's the whole point. To sell based on the name. This game wouldn't stand a chance if it was just a brand-new IP.

Damn user

That's a pretty reasonable opinion

Respect

So, have you guys read the sources (not wikipedia summaries, but the old norse and anglo-saxon poems, plus the classic Christian stuff), and are familiar with middle-ages traditions and way of thinking, and have read the hobbit and lotr and the silmarillion and the history of middle-earth, right? If that's the case, I find your comments strange, since what Tolkien did is following those traditions to the letter. If you are not familiar with that, kinly fuck-off, you don't know what you are talking about.

I doubt most people on this board have read the books anyway.

and what the game developers are doing is taking it a step further you flaming downie

>since what Tolkien did is following those traditions to the letter
>those traditions

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You can't follow one and another user.

The movies already changed a trillion of things from the books, and the Hobbit trilogy made up a lot of stuff like that elf grill.

You can see for yourself here:
theonering.com/complete-list-of-film-changes

Also Christopher Tolkien believes only what his father wrote is canon and hates the movies, and that is the closes to the author's original opinion, since he finished some of the manuscripts with notes his dad leave for him and they had a very close relationship

so who cares?

But it's incredibly annoying that WB hold the rights to the films and books in game form yet choose to waste it and stop anyone else using the IP.

Then you clearly don't know how the people of the middle-ages worked if you think that Christians wanted to eliminate the pagans traditions and legends.
Hint: They incorporated them onto Christianity quite willingly, because clearly the Ancients were superior in mind and body to the contemporary people, and their ideas were not wrong but misguided.
Oh! Just like Tolkien did in the Silmarillion, what a coincidence!

>theonering.com/complete-list-of-film-changes

Neat

>all I want is a game where you play as a hobbit going on an adventure like Bilbo or Frodo

Sierra's version of the Hobbit exists

I think that we all already know that. My biggest problem with the first game is the total disregard about the Gift of Iluvatar to Men, they shit all over that, if not even Melkor could change that, how in the fuck could they did... whatever they did to the main character at the beginning of the game.

jews have utterly no integrity, they will rape anything to make a shekel out of it

LOTR is a work of art, it should never have been given a game license

LOTRO is as close as you can get to a good LOTR game, I think. They obviously had to change some things around to accommodate the different classes and whatnot (looking at you runekeeper and lore-master), but overall it didn't shat on the lore and even expanded on all those areas that Tolkien only mentioned on passing, like Forochel.

Every night before I go to bed, I thank God that Chris is so stingy with his fucking lore. Imagine if he weren't? It's a small miracle that the movies were made in the first place, and they were good! I'd hate to live in a world where he let just any hack rape his father's legacy.

I get what you're saying, but that's a bit of an oversimplification, isn't it? Charlemagne beheaded those 4,500 Saxons that one time because they wouldn't convert to Christianity, and then there is the back and forth violence between Christians and pagans around the reign of Diocletian. A lot of traditions were incorporated into Christianity, but a great deal was also lost.

Tolkien was more trying to "prove" that Christianity was right and God had a presence, even in pagan times, by having pagan trappings on a story with Christian values.

The only good thing about LOTR is the lore, so if you're going to shit on it then just dont bother.

The game makes a fairly big deal over the fact that Talion and Celebrimbor are breaking all kinds of natural laws with their existence seeing as how wraiths had no mention of being able to possess or empower people before and there is no mention of the ringwraiths and whether or not their power is similar to Celebrimbor now or if he is a new unique thing.

Considering Talion is no scholar and Cele is leading Talion on for majority of the game is makes sense they don't discover the nature of their existence.

To be fair this is the Middle-Earth(tm) universe and the way it is related to Tolkien's Middle Earth it's similar to the way Man of Steel and the DCEU is related to Superman and DC if you get what I'm saying.

>you will never be this empty
feels good man

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Dwarves were based on Jews. Gold loving people without a homeland who shake up Bilbo's boring, small-minded, Anglo-Saxon lifestyle for the better.

>clearly the Ancients were superior in mind and body to the contemporary people

It's actually the other way around user. If you are incorporating ancient beliefs into your own, you are the superior in mind and body.

You witless fool, my argument is that that is not something that Tolkien did, that's something that people on the middle-ages (and before) did, and so Tolkien being a medievalist also did.
Here's a good explanation by Tolkien scholar Corey Olsen:
youtu.be/3lSKHMC5YWM?t=1h28m15s
What? That doesn't mean that they can shit all over Iluvatar just like that, Elves or Orks or Vala can't just alter the fate of Men except in exceptional cases that were foretold (already on the Song of the Valar) and then only with the permission of Iluvatar (like in the case of Beren and Luthien)

See the video I linked please in this post:

>Imagine if he weren't?

Yeah I bet shit like elves, hobbits and dwarves would make their way to other fantasy works, making the entire setting seem drab and overdone.

I just want to stab more orcs.

They shake up bilbos lifestyle because they need a thief so they can go get their fucking shekels back from the dragon.

Come LOTR and the dwarves play almost no role in the fate of their world, choosing to spend it in their mines with their shekels, gimli is the sole exception.

They are utter degenerates, and Tolkein knew it.

You can have respect for something while also being superior to it user.

You're preaching to the choir negro.
They did take massive liberties with the lore and have committed a fair bit and added other stuff.
I'm pointing out they have at least acknowledged that what they have made makes zero fucking sense .

So I never play SoM and barely watched the movies a couple of times so I have to search-engine what the problems with the Lore are, and the main one seems to be elfs (Celebrimbor) and humans (Talion) can't be summoned back from the death as ghosts or as zombies and their spirits go straight to LoTR's heaven that was LoTR's God gift to them.

am I rite?

The first game was lore rape but I this nigger in the 2nd one is the last straw

I'm still getting it because I loved chopping orcs heads off

And nine...nine rings were gifted to the race of Monolith who, above all else, desired to make video games. For within these rings was bound the strength and will to produce a LOTR game.

But they were all of them deceived ... for another ring was made. In the land of Mediocrity, in the fires of Mount Jew, the Dark Lord Warnerbro forged in secret a Master Ring to put in a cash shop and charge ninety nine dollars for the full game.

Wait, the game is 99 USD?

All I'm saying, is that if you already didn't knew the stuff that I'm point out, you clearly didn't have the necessary tools to fully understand Tolkien writings. Sure, you can still enjoy them as fun stories, but at that point you are no different than WB fucks that shat on the lore.

>Charlemagne beheaded those 4,500 Saxons that one time because they wouldn't convert to Christianity,
Relevant video.
youtube.com/watch?v=cvKRbi2ovDY

the 'full game' is essentially 99.99. wb went full ubisoft but took it to the next level. now you have 59.99 standard game, 79.99 "silver" game, and 9.99 "gold" (full) game.

>You witless fool

Did you even read my post? I was literally talking about things that people did in the middle ages (and before). They took a lot from both Roman and Northern paganism, but they also eliminated many pagan traditions and legends, particularly Northern pagan traditions. Even in the south I think of that period where roving bands of Christians would would attack heathens and destroy their statues.

How is that different from every other game being released for 60 while the season pass is 20-40?

>necessary tools to fully understand Tolkien writings

lmao

You didn't point out anything new, retard. You didn't point out anything that changes anything.

The Tolkien writings ADAPTED and CHANGED what came before him. So did Peter Jackson with the movies. And so have the developers of this fucking game. The fact that the plot of the game is mediocre is a moot point, and not what we are even talking about here.

Then how did Aragorn get that army of the dead?

I SHED THE BLOOD OF FOUR THOUSAND SAXON MEN

Also you're a fucking retard who would put a fucking simple fantasy story on the same pedestal as ACTUAL PHILOSOPHY.

>necessary tools to fully understand Tolkien writings

I'll be keking at this all week, thanks user.

I don't care about muh lore. I just want a fun game. I had fun with the first and I hope they greatly expand the nemesis system in this one.

Again, and all I'm saying is that doing that is completely normal for the Christian tradition, as my original response to Not only that, but respecting and thinking that the Ancients were more intelligent and generally better is a tradition that goes all the way back to ancient Rome (and probably further back), and so calling what Tolkien did "ripping off" shows that the poster is completely unfamiliar not only with Tolkien in general, but in middle-age traditions. Which, is a necessity to fully understand the work that Tolkien did.
In other words, only having read the available material and knowing that this character did this and that, and in that date such and such happened, is not "knowing the lore", there is a lot more to it. As Professor Olsen would say, not the what, but the why.

Just answer me this, what Tolkien material have you read? I bet you are the kind of guy that skips the songs and poems, and didn't think twice why in the Hobbit there are like 5 references to "it was luck, if luck you call it"

They need to make the enemies stronger if they escape or you defeat stuff around them.

Having enemies only get stronger if you fail, means that when you get better and stop failing, the enemies also stop getting stronger. Right when they SHOULD be to account for your increased abilities, both in-universe and in-game.

I'm not saying that he "ripped people off." I'm not that guy. I'm a huge Tolkien fan. I'm just saying that saying that medieval people all had some great respect of the "ancients," at least where their religion and myth is concerned, isn't entirely true.

This isn't the middle age though dumb ass. Tolkien made a product and the topic at hand is about another product altering that source material when it came from somewhere else altogether. Also I understand Tolkien a lot more than you because you're just a nerd who listens to a podcast and regurgitates opinions. I understand the soul of the work more than you do.

>there is a lot more to it. As Professor Olsen would say, not the what, but the why.

If you really needed to watch a few fucking youtube videos by some dude who is an expert on LotR to learn that characters have motivations, and go on to think that this is some kind of revolutionary thing, then you are in some serious trouble user.

I wish you well in your life, you'll need all the luck you can get.

Ahh, for sure there were some incidents and not everyone thought the same way, but try reading as much Christian and Catholic literature from the time (I'm not talking a couple of books, but at least a couple dozens) and you'll see. Basically, become a Medievalist.

>Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject - which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride.

>Your enquiry is doubtless made in order to comply with the laws of your own country, but that this should be held to apply to the subjects of another state would be improper, even if it had (as it has not) any bearing whatsoever on the merits of my work or its sustainability for publication, of which you appear to have satisfied yourselves without reference to my Abstammung.

What did he mean by this?

I'm not talking about what happens in the story, user. I bet you also think that the coolest thing in Lovecraft literature is the Outer Gods, and that the guy was crazy, right?
But let me give you an example. Why do you think that when Frodo and co were about to reach Amon Sul, and were scared shitless about the Nazgul, Strider told them the story about Beren and Luthien, a pretty sad story full of tragedy, instead of something happy or uplifting, like the tale of Gild Galad (like Sam suggested). This one is easy, you only need to have read the Silmarillion to answer.

"gild"

Why do guys like these come to threads like this is beyond my comprehension. Here we are shitting on WB for fucking up the lore, and this guy shits on the lore himself.

Whoops, my bad. It's getting pretty late in here and it doesn't help that the auto correct doesn't recognize Tolkien made up names.

All names are made up.

>I'm not talking about what happens in the story, user
>proceeds to list an example of something that happens in the story

?

Character motivations also exist in the lore user. I don't even need to have read the Silmarillion to debunk your retarded conceptions.

Go home mr.executive your 19th century business ideals are no longer needed. It would stand just fine as its own title.

I was trying to point you on the direction of one the fundamental elements of the world that Tolkien constructed (as explained in the Ainulindale, the Vala Nienna), but I see that trying to explain to you that stories and legends are more that "lies breathed through silver" is quite useless. You should at least read Mythopoeia and On Faerie Stories (both by Tolkien), they are pretty short and even you should find some value on those, I think.

People shit on The Hobbit too dude
And the elf girl was goddamn egregious, part of the reason Gimli and Legolas' relationship is so unique is because of how much their races hated each other
Plus having Kili die with a character who is barely a character instead of his brother and him dying for Thorin is also dumb

I liked the LotR movies decently though

...okay, I have read several books. Particularly collections of primary sources. Again, I'm not saying that this wasn't a view, but saying that a great deal of people did not respect many pagan traditions, particularly the Germanic paganism in the north, but also in the Roman world.

> there were some incidents
Top kek. You must be a troll. You certainly aren't a medievalist, that's for sure. How about Constantine's destruction of the Temple of Aphrodite? Or the ban on sacrifices? Or the general iconoclasm and acts of violence by Christian fundamentalist during the reign of his son? I quote Julius Firmicus Maternus;

>Paganism, most holy emperors, must be utterly destroyed and blotted out, and disciplined by the severest enactments of your edicts, lest the deadly delusion of the presumption continue to stain the Roman world.

Or how about Theodosius' laws against paganism? (I hope you can read Latin)

droitromain.upmf-grenoble.fr/Constitutiones/CTh16.html#10

I could go on about the continued anti-pagan practices perpetrated by emperors and commoners alike, continuing well into the high middle ages. Saying that every medieval person respected the traditions of pagans is ludicrous. It was much more mixed than what you were originally claiming

They were not bad as movies, I still watch them all the time. But they did shat all over the Lore, like 2 songs on the whole trilogy, the prancing pony was a shithole, and Aragorn not wanting to be king were atrocious changes.
Of course the biggest offenders are Fangorn having a vision of 2 feet and the way the last alliance defeated Sauron.

Like that one user who posted (theonering.com/complete-list-of-film-changes) above, I largely agree
But I do feel like most of the changes in the LotR movies were for a concise storyline and the ones in The Hobbit movies were because fuck it why not make it 3 movies

First game was objectively mediocre, but also kinda fun.

The Nemesis System is one of the most unique gameplay ideas of this gen.

I'd buy a sequel based on that alone, even if they fuck with the lore.

I MAY have shot over the mark with my remark in my denial. I was mostly referring to some mayor literary works, certainly not what the mayor populace thought.
It's getting pretty late here, so goodnight.

IMAGINE
A super hero game where your character got procedurally generated powers from a list, ranging from superman to batman, spider-man to wolverine, then you go into a city, and start fighting petty criminals with the nemesis system.

As you grow so do your villains, and they remember who you are and eventually one becomes your arch nemesis that can beat you on your own ground.

I don't even care about how much it takes liberties with the lore, what bothers me is how much it doesn't even mine the material.

Shadow of Mordor the was the dullest fucking game I've ever played and they had the entire lord of the rings universe to work with.

IMAGINE
A world without faggy capeshit.

Kill yourself, retard.

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All it needed was Normal, Hard, and Extreme.

Instead we got one difficulty setting which would be called Casual if it had a label.

Nemesis System is still good.

Name one non-1-to-1 movie adaptaion Lotr game that wasn't lore rape.

Name one 1 to 1 LOTR game.

>WB sees you faggot nerds on the internet cry about "muh lore" for months after spending a fortune researching the LOTR, hiring experts, interviewing Tolkien's estate owners, getting their approval and signoff. All to make sure everything fits in place and that your gay lore works.
>WB has had enough with you spergs and decides to sell its next "Shadow Of" DLC as Shadow Of War: Tolkien's Ghost.
>You play as Batman who gets sucked into middle earth. Alfred tells him that he has to stop a thread to Tolkien and the LOTR universe in order to get back to his world.
>"fine, send me the guns Alfred"
>"but master Wayne, your rule.."
>"They're orcs Alfred.. not people"
>Batman goes around machine gunning orcs, but the orcs prove too much for Batman
>"Bruce I called in backup for you"
>it's big boss
>big boss and batman realize that decoy octopus have a metal gear that controls the orcs. They stop it from digging up Tolkien's corpse.
>At the end, Tolkien's grave gets dug up and out comes Tassadar who reveals he's Tolkien all along and thanks them/you.
"thank you brave heroes for saving Middle Earth, which also by the way, takes place in the same universe as Final Fantasy 7 *winks*"
>the end.

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>movie adaptaion Lotr game
>that wasn't lore rape

Already fail

>that stories and legends are more that "lies breathed through silver"

It must be past your bedtime user.

sounds awesome desu

Is this a thinly veiled "mad at the 10 seconds of black guy in the trailer" thread? Because if you thought that was an affront to the lore, I can tell you that you clearly haven't played the first game. Cause that shit is nuts.

>There will never be another good LOTR RTS game