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The fuck is a ryzen

>5 frames less
>costs $500 less
I dont see the problem here.

amd cpu

BUT IT'S NOT THE BEST
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If it do what i think it will do, will still be a trouble for intel.

And it will start with apple defecting to AMD.

based amd

Again its $500 LESS MONEY FOR 5 FRAMES

>1800x costs twice as much as 7600k
wait are you trying to trick me

Intel has already dropped prices on their processors, that alone is worth Ryzen existing.

7700K is cheaper than 1800X

After a point, you're paying $100 per additional frame, if that doesn't seem like robbery to you, go ahead and stay away.

You mean you're paying extra for less frames if you get Ryzen

is that all AMD's worth now? making intel drop it's prices? I thought AMD was supposed to be a fucking direct competitor

I think he meant 1800x vs 5930k. Because god forbid you buy a pleb tier i5 right

>I thought AMD was supposed to be a fucking direct competitor
lmao maybe in 1999

>forcing the other company drop prices
>not competition

Sup Forums's had a few threads, it basically completely obliterates intel at server/workstation workloads, and it's decent at gaming.

Gamers are basically just beta testing for the naples release for servers.

We knew it wouldn't quite match gaming performance from the outset, but it's the only thing intel has over it, so it's what all the shills are latching onto.

I wonder what shills like this will switch to saying when the 1600x comes out and offers 1800x gaming performance for $100 less than the 7700k

the r5's dropping in Q2 will be more interesting for gaming, affordable 6c/12t and 4c/8t may be more suitable to Sup Forums's needs.

i7 7700K is 200€ cheaper than than Ryzen 1800X derp derp

But 1700 is cheaper and better, tho

user pls

Youre telling me I can get paid $50 to use a Ryzen? Sign me the fuck up

Get the i5 because it still outperforms 1800x while being cheaper?

>$500 rypoo BTFO by $299 7700k. (Microcenter)"


SAD!!!

lmao

>Live in a shithole

Ayy

Compared to 1800x and 1700x. It's still succ in games due to SMT fuckups, no clockheadroom and magic Ayymd stuff. But in some cases it got better mins tho

Being a leaf is suffering

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I want to point out that there are plenty of charts where intel goes against intel, and the LOWEST fps a game gets with the 6700k/7700k is 3-5 frames lower than a 4790k, but their high end was capable of a few frames more (here is the important bit) WHILE THE CPU WAS AT 100% LOAD. The 6950x, 5960x and Ryzen were not at 100% loads.

That pretty much means somehow the 7700k is capable of higher fps on the high end, but much lower fps on the low end, and all at 100% use. While the intel x and Ryzen were capping off at 30-50% usage. Pretty important to research this if you plan to say... stream while gaming? Or do other shit while gaming at high fps on a high hz monitor.

Sounds like excuses senpai

Can we just get a CPU with a smaller pipeline so it is actually good for emulation?

This is Bulldozer all over again top kek

So i5 > i7 in gaming lol

>Only 3 out of 12 AMD new CPU came out
>Intel cut price at retail
>i3 suddenly got OC version(still need expensive OC board) kek
>i3 price also increased near i5 price
>Pentium suddenly got boost make i3 more obselete

You know what's more funny, the current new 12 AMD CPU got no onboard GPU, only the next generation will
And you guys know how shit intel HD onboard are compare to AMD.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M&t=5s

Educate yourself. Basically AMD has been getting shit on for years because no one will buy their products even if they're superior AND cheaper.
By now AMD is a starving feral child compared to Nvidia and Intel (literally they get like 1/400th of Nvidia's annual profit)

I'm still gonna wait and see how the rest of the lineup turns out.

Lets see, the current direct competitor of AMD 1800x is i7 6900k

>AMD got same core and threads
>AMD got lower TDP
>6900k price $1100
>1800x price $500

1700 is 379$ and doesnt perform better on games

Wops wrong quote

Intel spends more in research every year than AMD makes in sales.

>1700 is 379$

Its bad to lie user

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shity single core performance. check linus' ryzen video. and you could just buy cheaper i7 or just go with i5.

now ofc you could say "games are gonna use more cores!" but well no not really some big releases might but I honestly dont find many of the aaa games any interesting

>Gaming benchmark
>i7

lmao.

Cheaper than 1700x/1800x, while overclocking at same lvl and having same perf.

Even if a game handles HT super well we're talking about a realistic 5-7% increase of compute speed. i7 will always be a CPU designed for rendering and other workspace related tasks, not for gaming.

>1% increased in kabylake from haswell
The only reason why I'm still not upgrading from 2500k

You see, I never upgraded in the last 5 years because how shitty intel is.
You got minimum increased of performance in each new gens compare to back then when I got Pentium I, II and 3.
If I buy 7700k now I will be stuck forever with it and just be happy with less then 10% perf differences.
I need to changed my mobo if I want to changed my CPU and I can't upgrade my cores or threads if the game can give more performance.

My CPU was Pentium MMX, Pentium II and P3, then moved to Athlon, Phenom then back to i5.

Be a smart consumer user, don't be retarded buyer who only read benchmark chart and can't make your own sane judgement.

These machines are not for gamers.
Its for people who CREATE CONTENT and need serious processing power. Get this in your head, a six core or an eight core is not meant for gaming, no matter if its an Intel or AMD.
If you want a gaming pc, the i7 7700K is fast and cheap, if you want an AMD you have to wait until they bring their fast quad cores.

>$330 cpu loses to an i3
At least they tried.

>shity single core performance

We are talking about direct competition, why the fuck are you changing the goal post?

Do you see me comparing 6900k with 7700k?

>until they bring their fast quad cores
Not gonna to happen. They'll have same IPC and clocks, just a lil' cheaper compaired to r7 lil less power for multicore tasks.

That's the new i3 that has been upped the single clock performance and turned into K series when Ryzen got announced.
Basically a poorman i5 with less cores.

It will sell like shit I guess, since it exist in weird position.

but this is video games

even i5-7600k got better results and I'm almost positive that they tested it on mostly modern games so the truth is even worse for amd if you like playing old games / bad ports in high fps.

go to Sup Forums if you want to boast your cinebench scores

The person who I quote talking about direct competitor you shit for brain.

Well, then they don't, i don't care, i am buying an 1800 and a 1080 for the same money an i7-6900K costs and that is an revolutionary step for my wallet and my conscience.

>linus

Yeah, and the 1800x is actually blowing away full-on xeon's in actual workstation and server workloads. It's not even a fucking contest, intel is getting fucking raped but everyone's going MUH GAMES about the fucking 8c chips that have never been for gaming even with intel.

Remember everyone saying "buy the i5 for gaming instead of an i7" but now it's suddenly "oh buy the 7700k instead of ryzen!!"

The shilling is so fucking obvious

>i am buying an 1800
Pls don't, senpai. There is absolutely no point to go with 1800x for extra 100$ to get same results as 1700x/1700. Except you'll overclock shit outta it w/ LN2

I figure I'll get a 1600 or 1600x, and then upgrade again when zen+ comes around, depending on how well things get ironed out.

I won't even need to change anything about my computer, since it'll be the same socket.

Good to know, not really planning on overclocking.
100$ more for other parts.

>FX8350
>no reason to upgrade
Guess I will stick to my good old 8350 for a couple of years or so

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
what is with the fucking deluge of shitty /r/Sup Forums memes overwhelming Sup Forums over the past couple of months?
even right after the raping of /r9k/ and Sup Forums in 2015 things weren't this bad on Sup Forums

As a guy with a 2500K that does a lot of heavy non-gaming stuff I'm considering an R7.

And for gamers hopefully the R5 series and future revisions will have better overclocking. Closing the gap Intel has on turbo clocks should help quite a bit with gaming performance.

How can anyone be an "Intel fanboy"? I can understand picking an Intel product because that's what is best for you on the market, but actually being a blind follower of Intel and jeering at its competition? Intel is such a shitty company that's been screwing customers for years with its hyperinflated prices. Anything that could even begin to break their de facto monopoly (or even threaten it) is a net good, if for no other reason than pushing Intel to be their best and keep innovating.

Zen isn't a grand slam like Athlon 64 was, which destroyed Pentium 4/D on all fronts, but AMD is at least competitive again and they haven't been since Core 2 Duo answered Athlon 64.

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If you dont have enough disposable income to get 6700k / 7700k you shouldn't be wasting your time gaming.

AMD often closes the gap when you examine frame times as opposed to average or even minimum (which is still an average) FPS.

Is this before or after the BIOS update that fixed Ryzen underclocking itself? The update supposedly improves performance in games by ~15%