So, is the cycle broken?

So, is the cycle broken?

Nope. People will realize that the Zelda formula was fine, but the setting, story, and combat needed to be fixed. BoTW changed the formula, but fixed none of the other problems (it arguably made them even worse)

Is it really a cycle if it has only happened once with Twilight Princess?

Yeah. First non-shit Zelda since N64.

This is the kind of faggot that liked Wind Waker.

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It has happened with MM, WW and TP, have you been living under a rock? Just give it some time and you will see the same thing happen with SS. Personally I never had a problem with the motion controllers

...I liked WW... but I also admit BOTW is GOAT. It's not even funny how genius this game is.

Oh sorry. Didn't realize that OP had posted the wrong picture with the edited text

The cycle was a forced meme. It was never really a thing.

Well I certainly like BOTW. Though the story is a bit undercooked.

I've seen people start to defend Skyward Sword more these past few weeks though, and I can definitely see people doing that just to perpetuate the cycle.

Degradation system is indefensible. Plenty of games have it as a mechanic, but making melee weapons as disposable as those 3 round handgun mags you find in shooters is annoying and simply not fun. Game's difficulty comes entirely from gear, and is not skill based in any way

>This is the kind of faggot that liked Wind Waker.
Wind Waker is was pretty bad. I'd say it barely ranks above MM, which ranks above the classic Zelda games, which rank above Crossbow Training, which ranks above BoTW, at the bottom of the list.

this is stupid

the actual cycle is
>game comes out
>fanbase says its the worst yet, everything about it is the lowest point in the series
>previous game was "not so bad" and "underrated"
>game before that is now the pinnacle of the series, nothing quite comes close to it in retrospect
>every other entry past that is regarded as "hipster" or "oldfag"

now, you could argue the cycle was broken here, but i'd say since it hardly follows the conventions of the previous titles, it would never fall into that cycle in the first place

so you mean that game actually makes you manage your resources?
How dare nintendo make a game where you have to use wisely your weapons.

That will never happen with SS unless they get rid of the shit controls in an HD version.

cycle was broken for link between worlds, unless the handheld ones dont count

>so you mean that game actually makes you enter menus after every 6 grunts you kill, let alone bosses and guardians?
>How dare nintendo make a game where you have to break the flow of their stale combat to use menus every few seconds.
Ftfy

This. The formula is good, but the series drastically needs changes in everything else. Look at other games that use the basic Zelda formula: Okami, Darksiders 2, etc. They work because they keep the formula, but change pretty much everything else. That's what the Zelda franchise needs to do.

No one ever lauded minish cap, phantom hourglass or spirit tracks as the best in the series

I think Spirit Tracks is the best. Fight me.

The games hard because a mechanic makes it hard. That's fake hard.
>use wisely your weapons
Yoda is right. You shouldn't be having your weapons break mid fights.

No you don't

I think that the cycle applies mainly to the home consoles. In all the talk about the Zelda cycle, no one really talks about the handhelds, just OoT, MM, WW, TP, SS. BotW will probably be thrown in the cycle as well.

no.

It's been broken since SS came out. No one in their right mind could think that that hand-holding, fetchquest, shitty fighting peice of shit could ever be good. Not even reviewers.

TP is my favorite Zelda

Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks will always be shit for removing d-pad movement as a "feature". Spirit Tracks being slightly better than PH because of that gay dungeon you had to do every time.

>you can't criticise me when you can get the info from a gameplay video

The cycle's been fucking shattered. Everyone still agrees that Skyward Sword is a dumpster fire and Breath of the Wild is an actual growth of the formula.

Excuse me?

>Not even reviewers

Lol

Meant for

You got the cycle all wrong. Opinions don't change that drastically, what changes is who is talking about it. When ss came out, mostly people hated it. Years later, the only people who care are the ones that liked it. So they talk about it and dumbfuck mcgee thinks Sup Forums is one person, proclaims cycle

>implying that isn't paid for
:^)

>Well I certainly like BOTW. Though the story is a bit undercooked.
>undercooked.

You cheeky cunt.

I do. It has its flaws, but I honestly think it's the best.
>polishes the Phantom Hourglass template
>Unique solution to empty overworld
>Best Zelda (character)
>Great dungeon design
>Unique use of also unique key items
>Solid graphics for a 3D DS title
>Great music
>Story is good while not being shoved in your face constantly
>Best companion
>Final boss other than Ganon (these games tend to be the best, I find)
I could stand for better controls sometimes, and maybe some combat improvements, but that's to be expected if a DS game. My only real complaint is the spirit flute, but even that isn't too bad.

That's not how puns work

There was never a cycle. If there was, it was only with Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Skyward Sword tried to take both WW and TP, but ended up with a bland product in the end, in my opinion.

Does anything happen if you light all the sconces in Hateno?

>the game where the music sounds like some kid playing piano for the first time
>"""""genius"""""

>The Rito Village music
I want to choke whoever thought this was good

>LoZ music is always fucking awesome
>BotW music is absolute dogshit
I'm so confused about how this happened.

The root of the Zelda cycle is that every 3D Zelda is judged against OoT (or whatever the individual's favorite/most nostalgia'd 3D Zelda is) and criticized for failing to live up to its legacy in one way or another, then time passes and people judge the game on its own merits. BotW managed to dodge this by clearly establishing that it wasn't trying to follow the traditional formula so comparing it against OoT in that way wouldn't make sense.

Zelda cycle never really existed for me.

LoZ was by default best Zelda, then Zelda 2 was released and LoZ was still the best Zelda, then ALttP was best Zelda, then OOT, ... OOT stayed best Zelda till TP, then TP was (imo anyway) best until BotW, now BotW is best.

SS will never get praise from me aside from the Naryu desert sections.

new rule: handhelds dont count

rule also applies to handheld sonic games for that respective cycle

I always thought the cycle started after majoras mask and was only for 3ds zeldas

It absolutely happened with MM and TWW as well. People absolutely raked TWW for its style and pacing at the time.

Personally I like all of the games. You can like them and recognize they're flawed. I've always loved SS.

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this, it's a big strawman that drones use to deflect any criticism towards their beloved series

2d > 3d

But I liked WW for its art style I just hated how unfinished it felt, how barren the world was with those islands that have a tiny cave inside, and the tons of useless isles, the Press A to win combat and such.

TP's problem wasn't that it was similar to ocarina, the wolf segments were 100% pure cancer, tears of lights were 100% pure cancer and some items barely had uses outside of the dungeon.

OOT = MM >>>>>>>> TP > WW

Someone needs to update that post with Miyamoto complaining about people criticizing that botw is TOO open world, despite being a response to SS.
Also the courage cooking the zelda games picture

>Middle ground doesn't exist
It's not the fan's fault that the debs don't understand compromise and are only capable of thinking in extremes

I hate how TP is has more realistic style but everyone still looks like mongoloid like WW

But extremes are exciting.
Extremes sell games.

Mostely, because they have different fanbases. Very few poeple expect THE SUCCESSOR OF OoT AN AAA HYPER-REALISTIC ZELDA GAME on 3DS.
quite an irony since the 3DS had OoT itself

2D Zelda usually aren't concerned by this, maybe they're just hapy to have a 2D game to begin with.

As for 3D games I remember people opening up to PH after ST.

how is the game "genius"?
its fun for sure but i dont get how this is supposedly this huge paradigm shift in open world games. it doesnt feel that groundbreaking desu. ive played around 20 hours so far and have played every 3d zelda game if that makes a difference

It did something besides walking forward in a field for the action adventure open world genre, for one. It's insane that we went through 16 fucking years of this bullshit and no one addressed it.

Wow absolute genius

>It did something besides walking forward in a field for the action adventure open world genre
Are we playing the same game? That's all BoTW is. There's no reason to go out of your way and wander around.

I don't expect this board to understand simple gameplay concepts. After all, you praise one bad open world game as the golden standard and bash another that is essentially the same simply because the former is prettier and wasn't directed by a manlet.

I don't know, user, are we? This verticality and depth to movement mechanics is unparalleled in the open world genre. The map itself has enough density to nearly rival GTA.

>I don't know, user, are we? This verticality and depth to movement mechanics is unparalleled in the open world genre. The map itself has enough density to nearly rival GTA.
Yeah, you clearly have not played Breath of the Wild. There's nothing to find or do in the world. There's no minigames, no hidden secret areas or collectables outside of "muh shrines", which have such wonderful """puzzles""", such as "stack blocks" and "jump over pits using glider".

No. It is a Okayish game.

>There's nothing to find or do in the world. There's no minigames, no hidden secret areas or collectables outside of "muh shrines"
Okay, user. I'll just leave it at that since you haven't touched the game.

?v/ is trying desperately to make everyone think the game is shit.

I've been playing since Wednesday. The only thing that keeps me playing is the faint shred of hope that I'll find ANYTHING worth exploring for, but that hope is dwindling more and more with each region I scour. Within a few days, I reckon I'll have seen and done everything there is to do.

What exactly do you want to find? Are you hoping for a minigame behind a cave somewhere or for some cool cosmetics under a waterfall?

Considering how shit SS was yes.

Tell me oh great genius and gaming prodigy, which game that's come out in the past 5 years would you say is unarguably top tier?