"We want to have a younger, less experienced protag this time around that isn't already an elite soldier"

>"We want to have a younger, less experienced protag this time around that isn't already an elite soldier"
>You play as one of the Ryder twins, a 22 year old newbie who spent their entire life in the Sol System and has been in a real firefight

Okay

>Right out of the gate you have an implant that gives an AI named S.A.M direct access to your brain, nervous system, and other bodily system. Allowing to give you tactical data, battlefield updates, and directly assist you with utilizing your abilities. He can also forcibly send electrical signals through your body, force the production of adrenaline, and regulate your systems, effectively overclocking your body and giving you superhuman reflexes and endurance
>No one else has access to this

Why even do an inexperienced protagonist if you're just going to stack the deck in his favor and give him JRPG-tier powers anyways?

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The "chosen one" plot has always been Bioware's goto. Why would they stop now?

>Why even do an inexperienced protagonist if you're just going to stack the deck in his favor and give him JRPG-tier powers anyways?
Because this is Bioware and they never created a protagonist that wasn't a complete mary sue?

>Baldur's Gate you are the child of a God
>Jade Empire you are the last Spirit Monk
>KotOR you are Revan all along
>Dragon Age Origins you are the last Grey Warden
>Mass Effect 1/2/3 you're the only one who can interact with Prothean beacons, only one to talk to Reapers and the only one able to stand against them
>Dragon Age Inquisition you are the only one who can close the Fade rifts and save the world

Even the most normal ones like the protag in Neverwinter Nights and Hawke did shit that would be impossible for anyone else to do like go against Mephistopheles or the Arishok

why does he look like he has some stunted growth disorder

Shephard wasn't a mary sue.

One of my big dislikes with ME3 was how Shepard was portrayed as a rookie after two games of being a veteran.

Ingame explanation for the games UI and leveling system

Shepard was the most important and most competent person in the galaxy.

You could give Shepard a pistol, two thermal clips, and a single grenade and he could take on an entire krogan clan. Then he would murder the surprise Thresher Maw that pops up after the fight is over

>Dragon Age Origins you are the last Grey Warden
you literally were the only nigga aside from your group who didn't die from drinking darkspawn blood, which by itself isn't special. There's literally thousands of wardens outside of Ferelden. You won by default

>Shepard was the most important and most competent person in the galaxy.
Yeah after you made him so. Mary Sues start out at the top.

You aren't the last Grey Warden in DA:O. Alistair is also a Grey Warden and there are other chapters in Thedas.

>Mary Sues start out at the top.
This

Sounds like reaper tech influencing human abilities. that's probably why they all look dead.

>Dragon Age Origins you are the last Grey Warden
This one really doesn't fit in with the others.

>won the lottery and got to be the one of three who doesn't die during every Joining
>only in command of the grey wardens because the only other one in the entire country is a beta male

Shepard is a graduate of the best military program that humanity can offer and ME1 opens with you joining the most elite and selective team in the galaxy.

You report directly to the highest authority there is and 30 hours later you hold their lives in your hand.

None of this makes him a mary sue. You obviously don't understand the trope you're using.

This.

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>You play as one of the Ryder twins, a 22 year old newbie who spent their entire life in the Sol System and has been in a real firefight
>You play as one of the Ryder twins, a 22 year old newbie who spent their ent
>ne of the Ryder twins, a 22 year old
>a 22 year old

wat

someone please tell me this shit isn't true. I don't wanna play as some fucking kid. Shepard was around 35 I'm guessing, which is a good age. 22 year olds are young and retarded

Less than 10 years after Shepard enlists in the Alliance he/she has already either:

>Almost singlehandedly defeated a Batarian raid in a colony and won the highest medal a soldier can achieve
>Survived a pack of Thresher maws with no psychological or physical trauma, everyone else in his company died
>Assaulted a heavily guarded criminal stronghold and wiped every single pirate out

Shepard already starts at the top, that's why he gets Spectre status in the first 2 hours.

>Shepard was around 35 I'm guessing

Shepard was 29 in the first game mate, and yes, the twins are 22 years old.

How is Shepard not Mary Sue? They are the most elite, important, attractive, and skilled person in the galaxy. Everyone swoons in their presence. Both men and women want to both be and fuck them. They also have a unique connection to the protheans that no one else has.
Shepard's ONLY character flaw is that they are bad at dancing.

Shepard was developed as a character and his development was realistic.

>22
>never left the home system
>is sent to a new galaxy
S.A.M bypasses character development. I'm more keen on calling it lazy writing than writing a mary sue.

Being an exceptional soldier doesn't make someone a mary sue.

Learn what a mary sue is. It demands a low level character.

A mary sue would be like Mario, no explanation given for his incredible feats. Link is another example. Being a developed character with reasonable explanations to their powers is not a mary sue.

Also, mary sue isn't really a genuine complaint for a video game. It's for film really. Reason being you control the character and thus you could arguably make a mary sue out of any character with enough skill and fuck up even the most gimped one.

From a writing standpoint though, Shephard is like a James Bond. Not really a mary sue.

Its supposed to be one of those coming of age stories.

>A mary sue would be like Mario, no explanation given for his incredible feats.
Mario lays pipes. Chad lays pipes. Therefore Mario is Chad.

>a 22 year old newbie
so this is yet another coming of age daddy issues ME game?

Part of what made ME interesting was the fact that Shepard was already a well-known badass before you ever stepped into his shoes. It was a pretty significant departure from the typical RPG formula of being a literally-who blank slate.

Of course, the sequels fucked it up, because they never bothered giving any character development to shepard, thus defeating the entire purpose of giving him actual characterization of his own.

I am hoping for a similar story progression to mass effect 1. At first things start out slow, stakes are high but its more of a personal vendetta against saren, then you get to that tropical planet and shit starts getting real.
>that tense conversation with Sovreign.
Gave me chills the first time.

ME:2 had some great interpersonal moments, but the collectors felt shoehorned, and I didn't like what they did with the protheans even though it made sense.
3 was fun, but it was all out war, and i felt like the story didn't really have direction, and the reapers go from being menacing and incomprehensible to BBEG #5634

>I want to play as some no-name loser

BECAUSE

ITS

BIOWARE.

They talk out of both sides of their mouth. They know none of it needs to make sense, because they know they've already made their money on this, it just isnt in their pockets yet.

>an AI named S.A.M direct access to your brain, nervous system, and other bodily system
>He can also forcibly send electrical signals through your body, force the production of adrenaline, and regulate your systems

So the AI can do whatever it wants to Ryder? Sounds hot.

ITT: people who have never done any sort of writing throw around the word 'mary sue' like they actually know what it means.

Shepard wasn't a Mary Sue in ME1 but became one in ME2 and fully embraced it in ME3.

>piss off the AI enough and it will keep hijacking your nervous systems and making you have boners and orgasm in front of everyone

Stop being such a Mary Sue

I'm sensing some excellent fan art in the future.

Mary Sue fails outside of its original context.

Very few non-fanfic characters can become Mary Sues. There's a certain "upstaging" quality required.

Andromeda starts in
2729 ad milky way

2+7=9. 2+9=11

9/11
911

9+11=20, 2k?

What are they saying?

Sam wtf

Be hacked by gear, posibbly rule 3ed by teammates

Good focus

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The numbers 9/11 are supposed to downplay biohaters,

The game starts there because its funny to downplay the emotional depression of neets who played mass 1&2 to be disapointed by mass 3 ending

>learn what a Mary Sue is
>Mario is a Mary Sue because he jumps good
>oh fuck guys Jesus Christ is the son of God, very likable, and came back from the dead what a fucking Mary Sue

I want this meme to stop. Heroic archetypes are not Sue's.
The weaboo warrior, now THAT'S a fucking Sue. 100% author's pet character, some dude did a massive fucking write up on it if anyone has the link.

Who cares about the character all of your shit is going to be invalidated in the last 10 minutes of the game just like ME3 series Bioware is garbage now fuck this game and any game they make

Mario is a mary sue because he can easily defeat every enemy in the game, not because of his jumps.

This game has good tits

Mass Effect Andromeda is going to gotyayey

Hyperion captain is a chink

mass effect androgynous

Manlet Effect: Androgenous*

don't understand, is that the European spelling or something?

>>Survived a pack of Thresher maws with no psychological or physical trauma, everyone else in his company died
It's actually implied he may very well be carrying around a lot of trauma from that, as they were worried the baggage from Akuze might make you a poor candidate for Spectre induction.

You can argue "but the game never forces it on you!" and that's perfectly fine. You can play your Shepard as an emotionally dead, paranoid asshole or not, it's completely up to you instead of being hamfistedly forced on you like the dead kid PTSD in ME3.
>I'm more keen on calling it lazy writing than writing a mary sue.
Bingo. By making Ryder a no-name they don't have to deal with having a backstory. I'd argue that it fits with ME:A's theme of new beginnings, but ME:A already botched that theme by having everyone else establish themselves in Andromeda already and humanity once again being the plucky underdogs.

You mean like Kai Leng?
>20, 2k?
20 x 2k = 40K
CROSSOVER CONFIRMED

>last three games storyline based around the idea that artificial intelligence will always overthrow its biological creators-

-LET'S HAVE A TRANSVESTITE ROBOT CONTROL OUR BODY'S TO GIVE US SUPER STRENGTH AND REFLEXES !!!!

GOOFY!

Was she stung by bees?

>Mary Sues start out at the top.
Oh so Rei from episode VII isn't Mary Sue, why are all sexists call her that again?

The nigga dies if he gets touched by turtles.

Because they forget that Kylo took a direct hit from a wookie bowcaster to the chest before getting into a fight with her

The fact that he was still standing, let alone capable of using a saber, is a goddamn testament to his willpower

This is the min part of the reasons that the ME:A gameplay didn't wow me. Eveyone that liked it loved how flashy and impressive Ryder looked zipping around and omniblade stabbing and biotic blasting the fuck out of everything effortlessly. I was worried that the protag was a bit too overpowered. Also the lore shittery made me doubt the capabilities of the writers even further.

She's a complete mary sue. Everyone likes her, she flies better than han solo, fixes his own ship, becomes an expert with the blaster, etc. terrible character

also google is now doing grammar captachas nice

>From a writing standpoint though, Shephard is like a James Bond. Not really a mary sue.

learn what a mary sue is before making yourself look like a tremendous retard.

>Dragon Age Origins you are the last grey warden

Thats wrong though, the only thing special about DA:O's protag and DA:I's Protag to an extent is that they were in the right place at the right time

>He can also forcibly send electrical signals through your body, force the production of adrenaline, and regulate your systems, effectively overclocking your body and giving you superhuman reflexes and endurance
>>No one else has access to this
Where did they actually say this?

being a high level character doesn't make someone a mary sue. easy mistake to make though since the phrase is used wrongly so many times

But Peach only lets Bowser smash.

Therefore Mario is a cuck, and probably Sup Forums

>oh fuck guys Jesus Christ is the son of God, very likable, and came back from the dead what a fucking Mary Sue
One of biggest Mary Sues out there,

To be fair with the right build the DA:O protag could probably solo The Divine.

You could easily solo everything but that super hard golem boss in one of the DLCs on the hardest setting AFAIK.

Faster than light lips

yeah and if you are incredibly good at the game.

>She's a complete mary sue. Everyone likes her, she flies better than han solo, fixes his own ship, becomes an expert with the blaster, etc. terrible character
Just like Shepard

The main issue is that people don't understand why Mary Sues are bad. They just take the term and think that having a certain number of positive qualities or being able to do certain things makes a character bad.

Mary Sues are bad because they're so overqualified that they dissipate all tension in a story and make all other characters pointless. It's contextual.

If you have a story with mostly average people, a character that's a superstrong supergenius would likely be a "Sue." But a superstrong supergenius in a story that has all-superpowered main characters with similar abilities would not.

>and if you are incredibly good at the game.

You don't have to be good at DA:O to walk through the game and Awakenings solo with an Arcane Warrior / Blood Mage build.

You can tank AND deal disgusting damage / crowd control at the same time.

The only hard part is early game. Once you pick up both specs you can do it borderline AFK.

well no

shephard is only liked by fellow humans at the start. he doesn't fly a ship. he doesn't fix a ship. he's already an expert at fighting since he's an elite soldier.

Bomd is definition of male power fantasy, He's THE Mary/Gary Sue.

>Dragon Age Origins you are the last Grey Warden
No.

Also >has special power
doesn't mean mary sue, you fuckwit.

Hate to get personal blog here but

>get ME3 for 7 dillerydoos the other day used of course since I want to see how bad it actually is
>get past the Turian mission which is fun and fine
>get back to the citadel after Kaiden is recovering
>mfw going to one ward where you can listen to the Blasto movie

Okay I chuckled like a retard for a whole 10 minutes. It's the little things. Fuck the ending but that was great.

>highly trained special agent
>mary sue
wew

>But a superstrong supergenius in a story that has all-superpowered main characters with similar abilities would not.
If she's better than specialists at their own job, she's Mary Sue.

>Shepard
>Not a mary sue

Shepard is a veteran elite special forces operative that distinguished himself one of three ways enough to not only get his species leaders to recognize him as one of the galaxy's biggest badasses but a Turian Spectre as well.

From that point the leaders of the free galaxy give him free reign to pursue JUSTICE using any means necessary. He commands a one of kind super starship, doesn't answer to anyone, break the law when he feels like it, get away with murder, and can tell all of his superiors to fuck off with zero repercussions.

After he dies he's resurrected, a feat that's impossible in the ME universe. Afterwards he's treated as a warrior messiah by EVERYONE he meets, including the ancient reapers and blue tits the Justicar he picks up along the way, both of which have likely known some hardcore badasses in their time.

Since Saren's death no one can challenge him in a fight. WHEN THE REAPERS INVADE THE LEADERS OF THE GALAXY GO "Gee, just let Shepard do his thing, this'll all work out." AND HE FUCKING DOES.

He's a total mary sue. And I love him for it, because in video games, you want to be that guy. That's why Ezio gets a pass even when he's one of the shittiest characters in existence. Everyone wants to play the alpha male.

If it was Jane Bond you would call her Mary Sue.

none of what you said makes him a mary sue. lrn2definitions

Alright then, pal, what is a mary sue? Define the term for me.

Is calling him "a male power fantasy character made for young males between the ages of 16 and 25 so they can buy the game" better?

but can the AI give male ryder longer arms so he can comfortable grab his dick?

please, learn what a Mary Sue is.

Just open up google and look it up.

>not playing as some no-name loser

It worked for ODST

It's generally a low level character who for no good reason is great the things he does. Shepard is already an elite soldier when you play as him. A good video game example is Link, no formal training but is the best warrior in all of hyrule. Everything shepard does is reasonably explained, at least in me1. The sequels go a bit further.

ignored

Bioware is probably the biggest joke in the industry right now aside from Gearbox and Ouya

I totally agree. Shepard is the THE mary/gary sue/stu. No matter your background WILL love you no matter what. Renegade or Paragon. It's your mary sue. Not some writers though.

That's the point and it's what people like in video games in general.

Everyone got pissed about being the second rate "hero" in Oblivion and actively complained about it on forums at the time.

What happened? Dragonborn. You're God and everyone loves you. Video games work better when you feel good about your progression matters.

Why is he turbo manlet, though? That shit works for anime, but games? Is this anime?

>Everyone got pissed about being the second rate "hero" in Oblivion and actively complained about it on forums at the time.

I never understood this. COC clearly got a better deal than Martin.

>The combat looks fun but...
>THIS ONE FRAME HAS SOME CLIPPING IN IT
>A-A-A-AND THE MAIN CHARACTER ISN'T AS RAD AS SHEPHARD
>B-BUT I HATE THE PARTY MEMBERS I KNOW N-NOTHING ABOUT

Love the way Sup Forums squirms when he's BTFO.

Shepard was just a lowly marine when he drived back the Batarians from Elysium or barged into Torfan, he wasn't even lieutenant yet, and if you picked "Sole Survivor" Akuze was one of his first assignments.

Let's check the definition of Mary sue

>A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities. Often this character is recognized as an author insert or wish-fulfillment.[1] Sometimes the name is reserved only for women, and male Sues are called "Gary Stus," or "Marty Stus"; but more often the name is used for both sexes.[2][3]

>A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities.

Oh look at that, Shepard is a Mary Sue. Like he was intentionally supposed to be in the first place because the devs wanted someone like Kirk, saving the day every time and banging hot alien chicks.

>After he dies he's resurrected,
But is it really him or just soulless husk which mimics him?

My shep was nearing 45 fuck you.

IDK, I think Anjin from Nioh is the biggest Mary Sue

>literally read a few pages out of a book on your way to Japan
>Instantly master the Katana and three full styles and become capable of effortlessly slaying any evil

>unrealistic abilities.
>UNREALISTIC ABILITIES

How the fuck is killing people with a gun an unrealistic ability for a solider.

Please for the love of God explain that to me.

I will wait.