Have to install the entire game onto the console even if you have a disc

>Have to install the entire game onto the console even if you have a disc

Why? Some PS4 games take up near 60gb.

IT JUST WORKS

Bluray drive is slow as fuck. Without installing to hard drive, load times would take literally minutes. This isn't even a PS4 thing either, PS3 was the same case. Games had mandatory installs so games would load faster. You really don't want to load a fucking 30GB game while the drive reads at 4mb/s

The only reason it's there was so Sony could sell more of of the overpriced 500gb consoles

Half the games still run and load like shit

It's the only way the ps4 can get 30fps.

Still vastly better than loading straight from bluray you jit

Oh well.
I got a 4tb external today for 100 bux. In the process of installing 48 games right now.

>Half the games still run and load like shit
Now imagine using the bluray drive which is 60% slower and you have to deal with the drive noise.

>Sonybros actually defend this shit

>Overpriced
>$199
???

>Friend lends me Halo 5
>50GB install
>90GB of mandatory patches
>On a console with 500GB HD (380GB usable)

Pretty much all AAA console games these days.

Playing Kingdom Hearts remix on PS3 was fucking hell because there is no HDD install option. Everything is loaded from the disc which is not only slow but you could hear the drive laser move back and forth vigorously every time.

That'll leave you with approximately 440GB of free space with all games installed. I don't see a problem.

...

PC made you install all your games too for decades yet nobody complained

You get what you pay for, consoletard.

underrated

Blu ray speed on PS4 is decent. It installs 20~30gb in less than 10 minutes.

Horizon has 250mb patch. Ratchet and Clank patch is 150.

Its because of the way it handles the games themselves

I'll make this as simple as can be, because its not like PS3 or Vita anymore

>your game is an app.pkg
>this app.pkg is the equivalent of an iso
>the system copies the disc to the hdd and stores it
>when you want to play it mounts it
>the disc has a license file on it
>it reads the license file to verify that this disc is legit (amongst other things)
>if verified, the game will boot - the disc is only there to be a key to make the game operate
>if removed, the game will quit (like removing a key from your transmission in a car)

It copies to the hdd because it mounts the game data this way. on top of this

>PSN downloads work the same but require psn connection to authenticate
>same rule applies - mounts the downloaded game app.pkg and runs while authenticated

and even better
>there is no copy protection on the disc itself
>you can take a ps4 game and rip it without any extra tools, just drag and drop will work
>if you take the app.pkg from the disc and send it to the ps4 (with some trickery) it will register it as a PSN game, even if it came from a disc
>this is because on the dev side, all games are psn games, but discs are the only way to change this (license related)
>as a result, the disc being needed to be copied to the hdd is solely due to the focus of things being psn authenticated, disc being an alternative and secondary option

and
>when mounted, the app.pkg is separated from its pfs protected "nest" and is able to be modified as the files are only exposed when the game is running
>this is why there is no copy protection
>because only the ps4 can read and open and mount these app.pkgs

source: ive learned a lot from the scene folk but i contribute nothing

ask me anything

Installing a game and playing a game are two different things. Installing an entire disc image is obviously faster than having to load random small files instantly while playing.

The biggest piece of shit is that updates merge into the game install so you can't just delete one or the other to save some HDD space.

It takes only a few moments opposed to downloading the whole shit again through the extremely slow psn/steam. You can also start playing most games while it's installing from the disc since the installation goes in blocks.

I still to this day dont understand why steam and psn are so fucking slow even though i have a fast connection. Makes re-downloading the whole game a fucking pain in the ass.

>GIVE ME STRENGTH
>take a nap
>brew some tea
>have a chat with the neighbors
>Aaand he's Anti-Sora, fucks sake

I like my xbox one but it's really awful when it comes to download times and patches and the whatnot. I thought it was my connection but when I bought a PS4 last year it's noticably faster and I can usually play a new game the same night I come home with it.

You mean 1TB? The ps4 always had 500gbs.

Don't all modern consoles have this?

>so Sony could sell more of of the overpriced 500gb consoles

This shit doesnt make any sense. How does mandatory installations push more console sales?

And if by that you mean buying a more expensive model with a bigger harddrive, then you're just stupid.

The general consumer might cash in and buy a the 1tb/whatever model because they don't know better.

If you're not completely tech-illiterate you'd know that you can just swap the hdd to any fitting hdd or ssd you can find.

>The only reason it's there was so Sony could sell more of of the overpriced 500gb consoles
500 GB is the base model and the built-in hard drive is user-upgradeable, unlike Xbox.
Since 2017 there is external storage, too.

You can just plug in any external hard drive now too.

Fucking hell. This is what i get for staying up for 48hours straight. Just look at that spacing. I've brought shame upon myself.

>>Have to install the entire game onto the console even if you have a disc
This is not how that concept works. The games run from disc, they are just cached on the hard drive for faster load times.

Yeah didn't remember that since they added that feature quite recently i think? They also fucked up the notifications menu, like what the hell.

Bought the old model a while back when they introduced the slim. Got a pretty good deal since they cleared stock out of the old model.

I've really been enjoying nioh and yakuza 0. Both of these run at 60fps which was nice and unexpected. A real shame that yakuza 6 apparently is 30fps, the combat just feels so much better at 60, when compared to the ps3 yakuza games and the 30fps.

but the game install the files while you are playing. That's why you hear it spin real fast in the first 10~15 minhutes

whats the point of knowing about these when there is no homebrew?

Yeah but not all games can be played while installing, and also disc reading units wear out fast, you would have to replace them every couple of years if they were fully used all of the time

>Yeah but not all games can be played while installing
They all do. At least I didn't find a single game that can't be played right away.

>this is because on the dev side, all games are psn games
That makes sense. Why have different packages for digital and physical distribution?

I did, DOOM and Just cause 3

>They all do. At least I didn't find a single game that can't be played right away.
GTA V and DOOM both take a few minutes to install, because they are stored in compressed from on the disc and need to be extracted to the HDD to work.

I've encountered a few cases where i had to wait like a minute in the main menu of the game to play, while it was installing the earlier parts or whatever.

Considering 20+ games I have those two garbage western unoptimized shit doesn't surprise me it requires install before you play.
However it seems the Just Cauase 3 only installs 3GB before you see the start screen. Is that correct?

This has literally been a thing since 2007 with the PS3. Games had mandatory or optional installs so they load faster.

MGS4 had to install when you boot up the game and every time you got through a new chapter because the game was like 40GB. Imagine having a 2x speed bluray player trying to process that much info during gameplay.

200 where?

it was $199 merkeldollars last week and 230 trumpnikels with two controllers on amazon

Used PS4s go for less than 200 on Craigslist, eBay, etc.

Brand new in the box is still $250 at least

Sales mostly. There are sales for 199 dollarydoos every so often.

Also you could get one for under 200 if you bought the older model when they cleared inventory to make space for the slim model.

Also that is not too bad of a deal. 258 and it comes with a pretty nice game. In my opinion PS4 is finally worth buying since it now has some games.

I have 7 physical games on my PS4 and 4 digital. My 500GB hard drive is completely filled.
I have to actually delete one of my physical games in order to play a new physical game at this point. It's honestly ridiculous.

Uncharted 4 bundle was $200 on target last year and this year on walmart and bestbuy. Even youtubers can afford a ps4 now

Its shitty but at least you can add in a bigger Hard drive easily or plug in an external now. Ive no idea if the Xbone is similar

You are retarded. Bought a toshiba 750GB yesterday for 60 bucks. You can get a 500gb laptop for $25 and spend $3 in a sata to usb converter

I'm retarded? You're the one spending extra on shitty transfer speed hard drives because Sony are incompetent

get a ps3

Just buy an external retard. The update just came out this week.

I have one. I only play 2 games on it.

Any hard drive you throw in the PS3 will always have shitty speeds because it's bottlenecked by the serial bus

Uncharted 4 bundle for $240.
Maybe I should wait for it to be $200 again

It has more games than a ps4

Improve load times

Installing is still quicker than downloading the game unless you have miracle internet

I don't think disc drive speeds have really improved in the last 10+ years, especially for console drives, but games have gotten 10x larger and have many more assets on top of that. It's not realistic to stream all of that from the disc. Some games on PC even have issues on slow HDDs which are still a lot faster than disc drives.

I've played all the ones I want to play on it though. PS4 still has games coming out for it.

where did it go for $200?

People complain nowadays that huge memory taking games is a new drm tactic by AAA devs to discourage downloading actually.

I have 8 physical and 11 digital with 66gb left on my 500gb slim. Only game i've had to uninstall so far was ESO, but it's not a loss because that game isn't great anyways. Next will probably be UC4 since i've already beat it and that'll free up 60 more gigs. I haven't needed an external yet, but i'll probably need to soon

There's literally no reason to play games on a console unless you're a poorfag and/or you want to play a specific game.

At least PS4 allows you to install like 25% of the game and then you can actually play it while the rest installs.

Meanwhile I get to download the son of a bitch on my internet for PC overnight and even into the day depending on how bloated it is.

Games are just too big now. Textures and voice and such are just uncompressed and make games approaching 100 GB these days.

Point being I'd like a system like that on Steam but nobody buys Blu-ray drives for their PC and even if they did it wouldn't have that feature. It's pretty nifty.

I'm guessing Slim PS4 right?

I've never seen it get below that so bite if you really want a decent priced PS4. Near exact price I got the bundle for during black friday.

Is there a way to install games from disc even if it's not necessary? I have a ton of free space in my hard drive.

>Point being I'd like a system like that on Steam but nobody buys Blu-ray drives for their PC and even if they did it wouldn't have that feature. It's pretty nifty.
Even with a backup on Bluray, shitty Steam takes over an hour to install a 50 GB game, because the disc installer is fucking slow and uses only one CPU core.
PS4 is ages ahead in convenience of what you can have on PC now.

Uncharted 5 500gb slim bundle.

I just don't like that I can't sell my ps3 because of the lack of backwards compatibility.

In case anyone is interested, it's on jet.com using TRIPLE15 code

People were saying the same thing during the dialup ages.

>god damn how will I pirate this 600mb cd game now when my connection is only 25kb/s?!

nobody in their right mind would get a system that didn't get an option in 4.5 to force non-Pro patched games to run better.

Because PC players know it makes the game run better

Why is the PS3 so poor?

i've never had to install a game onto my PS4 before i started playing it. why does Sup Forums lie to me so much?

see

A different person but i agree. I haven't updated my graphics card in a while since it's so fucking annoying to download/install these games through steam.

Must be hell to game on pc if you also have data caps on top of slow download speeds.

Also it's a bonus that i could sell my used games if i ever wanted to.

Well the game does install but it lets you start playing right away and it does that shit on the background as you play.

>PSN downloads work the same but require psn connection to authenticate
What, no it doesn't, unless you mean only on the very first launch of the downloaded game. I can disconnect my PS4 from the internet and still launch digital games.

It doesn't ask, it just does it. If you check your storage in Settings you'll see it.

Damn that looks like shit.
How much of a nerd do you have to be to buy this overpriced piece of cheap platic

The disc drive is fine, it's the shitty processor thats the issue

I wouldn't mind it if they provided 1TB and 2TB hard drives with the console from the beginning, I'm stuck here with that shitty 500 GB HDD nd have to keep deleting shit.

Got any good external hard drive recommendations for the PS4?

It uses an identical certification system like PS3. You buy a PSN game, you get access to the game download and authentication file that proves you own it, once you launch the game it connects to PSN to authenticate the license. After approval, the game launches like normal.

The license only lasts for limited amount of time though. So let's say if you leave your PS4 disconnected for months and try to play the game, it will ask you to connect to PSN first.

the PS4's internal HDD uses the USB interface converted to a SATA connector inside the unit, no matter what drive you use with it you will never get good load times
>Sony

>Got any good external hard drive recommendations for the PS4?
as long as it's USB 3.0 it should be fine since the internal drive is bottlenecked by USB anyway.
try to get one that spins down when not in use if you can.

why do sony allow this? how can they remedy it?

Heat management on top of the other things people have said.

Go back and play a 360 game even on slim and ultra slim models.

It creates shitloads of heat. Even PS3 games that didn't install could get the console hot.

Physical media is fine as a means of storage and play.

It's terrible as a means of loading constantly with heat producing components not an inch away.

>how can they remedy it?
by building PS4s that have SATA connectors that actually connect directly to it instead of through the USB interface.
But considering even the more expensive Pro does the same retarded thing, you'll probably have to wait until the PS5.

Yeah, who could be enough of a sucker to buy an expensive piece of aluminum, plastic, silicon, and a premium of pay per month?

Oh wait smartphones exist and cost more in all ways and have revisions 6 months.

>gotta install the game even with the disc
>can't play the game without the disc
That's the real part that confuses me.

Your to smart too understand.

What? I downloaded Halo 5 (90gb) in 4 hours. I don't know why yours was so slow. Microsoft did update the console up the speed from limit to 100mps download speed.

maybe if you're a retard who buys Apple/Samsung trash

fucking commie

That's simultaneously dank and informative

Does installing a 360 game before playing it help curb heat generation like forced installs on Playstation consoles?

Why is the Playstation Network service so poor when compared to Xbox Live and Steam?

PS3 may have had the occasional game with really fucked up install times but it's much better on the 4. Hardly notice it outside of games that barrier progress.

A) It doesn't install the whole game
B) Even if it did you could just return the disc and essentially get a free game