Is MGS2 the closest vidya has ever gotten to be considered actual art?

Is MGS2 the closest vidya has ever gotten to be considered actual art?

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No mgs4 retcons it. Besides moma already did a video game exhibit with good games

Yes. It's themes and commentary only becomes more meaningful as time moves on.

not at all. "tetris" for example, is much closer.

Even though Bunnyhop is a cuck i still agree 100% with this video

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Not really.

People would rather consider "games" like Journey, Life is Strange or some of David Cages' faggotry as art. Even though MGS2 is really deep with almost visionary plot, it's too videogamey for public to consider it art.

"Everyone withdraws to their small gated communities, afraid of a larger forum, speaking whatever truth suits them"

Why didn't we listen Sup Forums?

That's the best part. Kojima acknowledges this and makes fun of the player/Raiden for becoming a soldier only through videogames (mainly MGS1). As the game goes on MGS2 steps out of MGS1's shadow and becomes its own game while Raiden becomes more of his own man.

Dwarf Fortress is the only video game to be featured in a museum i think. i don't remember where i read that.

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>Kojima warns us about Sup Forums and Trump over a decade before it happens
>No one listens

>Trump and Sup Forums

You seem to forget the fact that the patriots are literally globalists.

but we did

No. Not by a long shot.

MGS2 is, however, a tedious and pretentious game, so it attracts tedious and pretentious people.

.....nah

It's not even that good lmao

And Trump, the man owned by Russian interests, is an isolationist, right?

It's breddy gud

>It's not even that good lmao

are u politically retarded?

Bloodborne

You seem to missed the part about cutting yourself off to live in your own bubble making it easier to create false context.

Kojima even retouched on that theme in MGSV by having the main villain to cut out the English language and kill communication between countries fostering fear of people that are different and using that fear to sell them Metal Gears that he remotely controlled.

Globalism is a good thing in MGS and the real message of The Boss. A world without borders like she saw from space.

Proof he is owned by Russia

>Everyone withdraws to their small gated communities, afraid of a larger forum, speaking whatever truth suits them
internet in a fucking nutshell

Yeah well the Boss also was a fucking idiot

That would be 3, but 2 is also very good

Nah I think you are the fucking idiot. Trump and the GOP are doing the same shit the Patriots did by pointing at the "others" as the reason your life is shit and distracting you while they make bank off of miserable paranoid people. They successfully round up smaller outcast groups and pipe half truths into their little echo chamber convincing them that making other people's life worse is the key to making theirs better.

>pointing at the "others" as the reason your life is shit and distracting you while they make bank off of miserable paranoid people.

except this is also identity politics in a nutshell.

True, which is why seeing people treat the last election like a local sports rivalry is disgusting. Nothing changing even though a Japanese man with a love for movies could point all of this out 16 years ago.

35 minutes worth of your opinion. Nah

These two games are the two most prescient and intelligent titles the medium has ever seen.

To be honest, I don't think either will ever be topped.

MGS2 was more of a warning about societal control through context manipulation. This would more resemble affronts by game journo pros and other mass media to silence dissent and change human opinion by controlling the narrative. (Gamers are dead/don't have to be your audience, ect).

Metal Gear Rising on the other hand was like 100% Trump forbearance.....but Raiden ends up taking on his ideals in the end, pursuing them in his own fashion.

arcadey stealth sections and awkward boss fights make normies uncomfortable

That's entirely irrelevant you idiot.
And MoMA's exhibit included Mario and PacMan didn't it?
Tetris isn't art.

What if you can agree that both Journey and MGS2 are pinnacles of artistry in videogames?

There is none, user is a faggot

>pretentious
Ah the favorite meme criticism

thats god hand
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No, because all games are art. Art isn't special in itself, it's in how it is viewed.

Metal Gear fans are the gayest people in existence.

Could mgs2 be considered cyberpunk?
I think its the only game in the series that is potentially a cyberpunk game, but thats up for debate.

You are not entirely wrong, but that doesn't mean the games aren't amazing.

giw>

MGS1-4 may be the only thing worth a damn to ever come out of video games

Everything else in vidya is childish entertainment or corporate fodder or pretentious bullshit

Sort of. Cyber Punk usually has more of a dirty/grimy dystopia feel to it.

MGS2 is more of a political thriller title set in the modern age (albeit with cool tech).

you are stupid if you think context manipulation is solely a product of the left.

>Tetris isn't art.
It not only is, it excels on the strengths of its medium alone more successfully than MGS2, which is largely praised for traits not necessarily inherent to gaming, more an artful "mixed media experience" than a pure game.

No, Dwarf Fortress is the closest we have gotten.

MGS is literally entirely childish wish fulfillment. get better opinions

Aside from the adult artistic themes
Tetris is just a pure game like checkers, that's not art.

What childhood wish does MGS2 fulfill? As a child the only thing the ending to MGS2 made me feel is that Solidus is a horrible person but on the right side and I was manipulated into doing the wrong thing.

Same with MGS3.

mature themes mean little if the presentation is deliberately hokey, disjointed, and childish.

how can I take Raiden's suffering seriously when he drops lines like this

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Your sneakers are art. Photography is art. Checkers are art. Games are art.
Art is the appreciation of craft beyond the utilitarian. Nothing more, nothing less. It being good art or bad (often confused with "non") are just value judgements that have nothing to do with it inherently being art or not.

>Trump, the man owned by Russian interests

I'm pretty sure this is a meme. Why are people actually falling for this?

Have you even listened to the works of Charles Ives?

How many art classes have you taken?

The qualification of art - the ONE qualification - is intention. Was intended as a piece of art?

Sneakers were not. Checkers was not. Tetris was not intended as art either.

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I'm cutting you off from the (You) supply

wtf....

>intention
John Ford and Alfred Hitchcock didn't see their films as begin art. Good luck convincing your film professor or favourite critic to agree with them on that point. Hell, much of modernism was either about challenging or directly aimed against intention theory by putting non art objects onto an artistic pedestal. If it is at any point appreciated and/or explored in an artistic context, or simply can be because it was crafted by human ingenuity, it's art.

Show me a quote from Hitchcock saying he wasn't making art