Is there any dead genre sadder than the light gun shooter?

Is there any dead genre sadder than the light gun shooter?

20 years past their heyday, I still fucking adore them. In a world where every single game feels like an open world collectathon, a light gun game is as far from that experience as you could possibly get. It's entirely on rails, sure, you might get a small branch here and there to change it up a bit, but you're always looking directly where the director wanted you to look, shooting the things he wanted you to shoot, in the order he wanted you to shoot them, there's no real deviation from the pattern.

So then, why, after all this time, do I keep coming back to games I've cleared dozens, if not hundreds of times? Because they're fucking fun as shit. It's a battle of reflexes and mechanical skill that never gets old. That you could always be a little better at.

And thanks to LCDs, dead as a doornail. The future looks grim too, with VR shaping up to be nothing but crappy turret shooters where you stand in place all day because a moving camera might make you sick.

I miss light gun games. And I just know one of you cunts is going to say they're still being made, they aren't. Blue Estate was the closest I've seen in the last decade to a home title, and even that had some major defects.

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I used to play this on a sega saturn, one of the few games worth owning on that console. A few years ago the light gun genre did make a short comeback with the wii and sony and microsoft trying their hands with motion controls with the ps move and kinect respectively. I remember a couple fps also got support for light guns though I dont remember many on rails shooters coming out at that time aside from house of the dead and the resident evil chronicles ports from the wii.

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I like them too but only in the arcades really. No home setup impressed me really, other than having an arcade setup at home.

>VirtuaCop2 on PC
Shit, that takes me back. Too bad I never played that game with a light gun.

these are just memorization games, play rhythm games

The Wii had a few decent ones. Probably the one bright spot of motion controls.

memorization can be fun in a non-abstract setting too user. ever played r-type?

>not skipping class so you could go to the arcades with your classmates to play virtua cop 2
>being underage
I'm sorry user, don't worry though I had enough of fun to compensate your miserable life.

RTS

>game came out in 97 to windows
>underage if you played it on it
You now people born in 99 can legally post here right?

They still have them at Dave and Busters I believe. At least the one in my town.

Light gun shooters aren't dead though. They just were never popular outside of arcades, similar to pinball and shit. Japanese arcades and even American Dave/Buster style shit are still making new light gun games so I don't understand your point.

I've got a PC CRT and a compatible light gun, the only issues I have with it are that the gun is goofy looking and doesn't feel great in the hand.

When I manage to pick up another one off eBay, I'll take out the internals and put them in my Namco arcade gun for recoil fun.

The only real improvement aside from that is getting a bigger screen, but 19" is plenty, really. If I was playing from further away or mounting it in a cabinet, maybe I'd want something bigger, but that's so much extra work and money to mess around with arcade monitors.

>but 19" is plenty, really

I genuinely don't know how you live your life without at least a 26 inch monitor.

Chuck E. Cheese has light gun games. Hardly a dead genre, but I miss the simple reflex based ones where you just have a pistol or something.

>I miss light gun games they're a dead genre
>And don't any of you even try to tell me about any of the new light gun games that came out because my hands are over my ears!

What is the point of this thread OP?

House of the Dead 5 when?

Hopefully never, 3 and 4 were terrible.

Vidya peaked at Point Blank 2

Healthily, because I don't have a snapped spine from trying to pick one up.

>I miss light gun games. And I just know one of you cunts is going to say they're still being made, they aren't. Blue Estate was the closest I've seen in the last decade to a home title, and even that had some major defects.

They're all in arcades, which means they are all in Japan.

That's just a glorified positional gun game.

Most "light gun" games these days are just that. Thanks to IR tracking, the machine gun can be moved around now instead of fixed to the cabinet.

Man I miss playing all the old light gun shooters in arcade.

>go to arcade
>see an awesome looking light gun game
>give it my small fortune of quarters
>'erewego.zugzug
>gun calibration is fucked
>I'm the one with the gun but I just got robbed
>I bet those black kids who break everything are responsible for this

>spot Time Crisis
>put money in
>the recoil is broken
Worst shit ever.

I know in Time Crisis 4/5 you can calibrate before you start by stepping on a pedal and pulling the trigger on the title screen.

>Is there any dead genre sadder than the light gun shooter?
Time Crisis 5 was released two years ago on Arcades, with all this VR meme Bamco really should think about porting it to PS4 and PC.

In places where Arcades still breathe like Japan and South Korea old generes still thrive.

Not that user but what's the difference?

3 was okay but they should have stuck with handguns and saving survivors, not the partner. 4 was absolute shit though I agree there.

>the recoil is broken
fuck

Have you ever actually played that game? It sucks. The only game setup like that that's decent is the Jurassic park one. Also the fact you can't hold the gun, it's just a turret on a swivel, really kills it for me.

Positional gun games are those where the gun is mounted on a swivel, which is basically an analog stick that detects movement instead of using IR or whatever to read your shots, like Silent Scope or that Terminator 2 game.

The only problem with those games were literally if you were a fatass like me you'd just get tired easily holding your arms in front of you like that all the time
Other than that shit was pretty hype

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When I was a kid there was an arcade I went to semi regularly, that usually had some light gun games. For a short period of time it had this really cool game where you could choose a character at the beginning, I remember one was a rookie cop in uniform, and another was a detective. The game was really cool, it was set up to sense how you move. I think it was like time crisis where you could fuck behind cover, but instead of a pedal you actually had to duck and the game would sense it. Did anybody else here play it? I used to spend all my money on it when I went.

Wrong, I played that with my gf and I live in Texas.

i fucking loved that recoil.

That explains why I keep finding games like that that only move the cursor left or right. How do you even break something like that?

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You may be thinking of Ghost Squad?

Arcades are pretty much dead and the freedom of movement of FPS just won the entire market over. It wasn't the only genre engulfed by the popularity of FPS.

Were there multiple ghost squad light gun games? I only recently found one in an arcade, I know that wasn't it. You couldn't choose a gun or costume, just the character. I think the character was linked to difficulty. I'm pretty sure it was mainly a Japanese game just based on how it looked, that's the sense I got anyways. It was in English though. I don't think it had co-op, since it had the motion sensor.

Used to play this with my brother until we 100% it, my favorite game by far.
I should buy a cheap CRT just to play it again, still have my guncon2 and everything for it.

Why won't anyone do anything about light gun shooters on PS4? Every Dualshock 4 has built in lightbar sensor. Fucking USE IT.

Does Galgun count as a rail shooter?

Why does it matter if a monitor is CRT or LCD for these games? Does it make a difference somehow or is it just nostalgia?

Never been into the genre but I'd say the death of Arena shooters is even sadder.

Here you have a genre that at one point defined what it meant to be an FPS game. Then it got usurped by FPS as we currently know them. The modern FPS is the most popular genre for AAA gaming. Modern FPS are a huge departure from Arena shooters as well.

But wait there is more.

Arena shooters are almost entirely dead now. Casuals which are the primary demographic for modern FPS give no fucks about archaic Arena shooters. Yet it gets even worst for this genre. You have a ton of these elitist neckbeards on the internet that praise the genre. They have a "nostalgia" for the genre. Yet they themselves do not even play the games. Instead they pretend to like the games. So in reality they never really had a nostalgia for the genre at all.

No genre in gaming has fallen so hard from grace as the Arena FPS genre. Not even RTS since MOBA is such a far departure from RTS that they aren't even the same thing anymore. Don't let new games fool you. The genre is dead and Quake Champions will likely fail like the rest have in recent years.

Yes but not a light gun game. It could have been a fun light gun too, pretty disappointing that you just have to use the cursor.

There's still that Unreal Tournament game

car combat games are deader

You're thinking of police 911
There was a less common sequel and a boxing game that used the same hardware

After a google search I found it. This game was fun as fuck.

Car Combat games were never as big as Arena FPS. They were also only really carried by two franchises, only one of which was ever "big" if you can call it that.

By the way UT has zero hype.

Nah they had a good run but they are really only for arcades which are dead along with it

Yup that was it. Are the machines still in any arcades? I never saw any outside of that place and it was only there for a few months

that's the thing, arcades shouldn't have died

I've seen them every once in a while at various places, but I think the sensors might be a bit finnickey as the last few haven't been in great shape. It's old enough that not many newer places would probably have it-maybe round 1?

It looks like people have setups for it on ps2 with the Konkami capture eye

I still have House of the Dead 2 memorized.

Best light gun game out there.

Ain't a lot of Virtual Reality games rail shootes?

RE4 for the Wii and RE5 for the PS3/Move make for some of the best light gun shooters. They exist, just moved away from the traditional sense. also VR

Not yet, just stand and shoot around you shooters.

>huge tower building
>suddenly
>HEY-HE-HEYHEY
>shoot
>NN-OOOOOOOOOOOooh
Fucking 90s, their cheesy lines and arcades games, how I love them.

And damn, how short and fun was VC2

They no only exist due to Arcades, it's a terrible loss because they were incredible fun to play with friends. Time Crisis, House of the Dead and Die Hard were all memorable.

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Terminator Salvation was p fun

>legally post here
>implying it would be illegal to post here while underage
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This. They were never as fun at home. The big plastic guns and arcade cabinet are a big part of the charm.

Action dungeon crawling. It's pretty much just been Grimrock 1&2 and nothing else to my recollection.

Need more Dungeon Master-likes.

b-but I enjoyed playing virtua cop 2 at home

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Is there a greater tragic character in vidya than Goldman.

Oh don't get me wrong, it was still pretty fun on my friend's Saturn but it was never quite the same.

I got accessories for my Wii that made it damn close. Plus imo House of the Dead 2 was more fun with the different things you could add at the beginning. The coins and lives were dull but everything else was neat.

I had a lot of fun with both Grimrocks, especially 2.

>get lost in doing shit before I bother with the Lindwurm
>go fight it, Lindwurm lands, Bane Devatstate Crit + Moonblade Triple Backstab Crit
>dies on its second landing

Nothing as bullshit as Dungeon Master II with the fucking Numenstaff and Guard/Attack Minions(hahahahahaHAHAHA) though

Grimrock 1&2 were pretty damn good, I still have 2 installed in case I ever found some good custom maps, haven't found any from the few I played.

That was like 2 years ago, doesn't make it so dead. One genre I liked was games like Beyond Good & Evil and Little Big Adventure 1+2, it's a hard subgenre to describe... maybe crazy planet exploration game, where you go meet alien creatures and all kinds of shit you don't really have in any game these days. I almost feel like making a ripoff of LBA2 because nobody else will fucking scratch that itch, might as well do it myself.

>work in small mom n pop arcade
>half the stuff is ticket dispensers
>job is making sure machines are working, have tickets and to give kids their cheap toys
>play every game at least twice a day
>big terminator shooter is always popular
>another light gun game Area 51
>it's fun but doesn't get much attention
>starts breaking down
>boss decides to sell the entire cabinet and buy something else to stick in the empty space
>helping the dude picking it up get it out of the arcade
>be looking at sticker on backside of the cabinet
>it was originally Primal Rage

it was the second worst day I had working there. My heart sank

>got to some Mediterranean island resort
>no less than three different battered old Time Crisis cabinets at different water parks, still in working condition

Shit was heart warming. The place I stayed had a Metal Slug X cabinet and that was pretty great too.