Why did esports become so big?

Why did esports become so big?

because they're fun

Why did normal sports become so big?

But they aren't, and no one's having fun?

I've never seen one of my friends play an esport game and have fun.

It's all just circlejerking about rank and what's bringing down rank and how this guy's rank is better than the other guy's rank.

I miss when video games were about having fun.

To add onto that it feels like video games have become a job now thanks to these games. Multiplayer games don't bother with having new modes or mods or custom servers or anything, we need to strip everything away to support the e-sports scene. It's kind of ridiculous.

That's normal. Compare them to normal sports.
I enjoy playing sports with my friends when it's casual, but I don't think I'd enjoy doing it on a professional level. It becomes work.

Same shit.

Except nobody plays it casually.

It's always just anger, or trying to one-up the other guys.

The majority of people I meet who say that they play video games immediately ask for my rank in League or CS:GO.

Everybody's trying to one-up each other all the time. There's no camaraderie anymore.

What are you talking about? I was comparing video games as a whole versus sports as a whole.
It's the same shit. Sports is just another word for competition. You can be competitive in any activity, including athletics and video games. Hence sports and e-sports, respectively.

Whether someone shows camaraderie or not is down to the person and not the discipline.

Also, whether or not a certain video game attracts more assholes than other games is another point too. You get the point.

Makes nerds feel important.

>my anecdotal evidence is actually proof to the contrary, regardless of any other empirical evidence
please to be of killing you'reself

You want empirical evidence? How about the fact that every company running competitive games has to implement protections against players ruining the game for everyone else just because that person is mad about their fake rank.

just like every major sports organization has anti-doping/anti-cheating rules of their own? the only comparable difference is that major sports don't have to deal with people trolling at higher ranks, which falls apart when it comes to a tournament situation.

but it's not, to the average person e sports is still some nerdy crap for losers.


with nba,nfl footbal, baseball you can pick up in 10 minutes the gist of what is going on. But with LOL you need to know integrally what the gameplay is in order to have any idea what is going on.

But the main reason is that you can't go on a football field and have the same experience as the top players, but with e sports you can.

define big
if you mean biggest prize pool, Valve and DotA
if you mean what started the trend, Korea and Broodwars
if you mean most watched, Riot and LoL

Because esports is a good idea.

Big enough to the point where other developers want a piece of the pie. Big enough to the point where the developers of TF2 have decided that after years and years of trying to make their game as fun as possible, it's suddenly a priority to make the game as competitive as possible.

Fun to watch, not play.
Just like real sports.

>TV gets filled with trash for the past 10 years
>people watch something else

Removing fun to make way for e-peen is a good idea?

i play fighting games, which are like the poverty of esports, and i think they're fun

So is your post a thinly veiled post dictating that because E-Sports are a thing, it kills TF2? Well, sadly fun is one thing but balance in multiplayer is another, I'm sorry for your game and your fun though.

It's completely normal for people to like single player games or casual multiplayer games for fun. However, man will always have a drive for competition. It used to happen organically where games were just designed. Now, companies believe it's possible to design for e-sports, and that will do it's own advertisement, which rarely works.

DotA getting big was a long term event that took a while to get where it was. LoL and DotA are the big entities of esports now, along with CS:GO and even Hearthstone. It will be difficult for future games to insert themselves into this scene at their level. Maybe a good balanced arena FPS, but there's not much else.

Money.
Even in a event with a high price pool like the international of Dota2, they get 10 time the money they give.

It kills a lot of things, including my friend group.

>including my friend group
I don't know all of the details, but it sounds like your friend group relationship was weak if it let esports or video games in general interfere in whatever connection you had with them. If esports didn't break it, then something else could have easily done so.

Does anyone here actually enjoy watching sports? I vaguely remember a Sam Hyde kickstarter TV episode where Sam says that if you have an obsession with sports (IE talking about which big buff black guy is the most beast or how is he so good this season) than you're better off becoming a faggot and/or going to the gym

Sports are good for a nation's morale when played on a global scale.

I agree with If you are stating that your "Friend Group" solely consisted of people you knew or connected with over a specific game, and they left to another game genre that you didn't enjoy and wouldn't invest yourself in, then that kind of sucks, but it's not the games fault.

I have played LoL, SC2, DotA back on WC3, Counterstrike 1.6, source, and GO, and at one point or another my group of friends would stop one and play another.

If your friends only play an "E-sport" and you hate it, you can at least just talk to them on Vent/Mumble/etc. while they play and you do something else.

That's what I do with some friends and it's fine.

But why did the spectators come?

I don't consider myself a gaming expert but as far as I could tell nobody wanted video games to be taken this seriously? Where did all the interest in video game e-peen come from?

It's not just that they're playing a different game, it's that they're always comparing themselves to each other all the time. It's like they're trying to use video game ranks to prove who the alpha male is, I think it's kind of cringy.

nobody plays sports any more
millions of kids play vidya
they can actually relate to the esports
it's not fucking rocket science, you faggot braindead retard OP

>Reddit spacing

>nobody plays sports any more
How would you know? You haven't been outside in years.

Video games tend to be competitive by nature. Even fucking Pong was a 1v1 game. Competing is natural, so it makes sense to make games that tap into that urge. It was inevitable that there would pop up some competitions with prizes involved, then developers started making games with the idea of creating a competitive scene.

>But why did the spectators come?
Marketing and better tools.
When you couldn't livestream games esport wasn't really a big thing.
And with all the social media shit and the society making people feel like they are shit and making them insecure, the youth try to get some recognition.
games dev understood this really well, that why you have a ranking in every online game.
The bigger is your rank the better you feel about yourself and can brag about it to get some recognition for your low self-esteem
The youth that can't get good enough alone just watch other people play it instead, and try to learn from them.
video games weren't a good thing until 10-15 years ago, so people would rarely brag about playing them, now it's common for people to play video games, even people that don't play them say they do.

The only thing worse than Reddit on Sup Forums is people calling anything and everything Reddit.

Because StarCraft: Brood War (the only acceptable e-sport) was amazing to watch, and was owned by basically anyone age 13-25 in Korea because of piracy. This showed other companies that money can be made from video game tournaments.
On another note, does anyone else hate the term e-sports? Why not just competitive gaming? Stop pretending that a computer game is remotely similar to basketball/soccer/football/etc.

Plebbit detected

Ranking systems don't seem to do anything but separate players.

Once publishers realized it's promotional. Seriously the e-sports scene is just money these days and has nothing to do with how competitive the games actually are.

And? That how you brag by being better than others
even if it separate players that works since they get their money back.
big companies doesn't give a shit about the players, everything is about the money

I dunno, I guess because most people are just boring passive NPC spectators in life who fulfill the role the Great Programmer designed for them by watching spergs play terrible games "professionally".

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>Why did normal sports become so big?

Same reason esports became so big: plebeians have shit-tier tastes in entertainment.

*tips fedora*

>Sports are good for a nation's morale when played on a global scale.

Sports are just a way to get you to watch commercials. Wake the fuck up, idiots!

I believe in God, I just think I'm better than everybody else. I'm not sure what archaic hat I would tip at you, but it would certainly not be a fedora.

I'm just excited for the first big American personality player that will take it into the mainstream. The Michael Jordan of sorts

Someone only slightly autistic that looks like chad and understands branding

Then girls will start to want my dick cuz I'm good at games

All of these are right. For the most part, it's just really good advertisement for these games broadcasting some of the best players battle it out for huge cash prizes.

On the other hand, eSports can really inspire people to try their hand at getting better at these games, even if it's likely most people won't get on the main stage at EVO. If a kid sees someone on ESPN do some cool shit in basketball and wants to try it out for themself, they're going to have to go out to a basketball court with a basketball and gather 9 other people to play with. Alternatively, if a kid sees someone do some cool shit in their favorite MOBA on Twitch, all they have to do is boot up that same MOBA and click a few buttons to almost instantly get into a game

I feel sorry for people "inspired" by esports.

Mostly just knowing that they'll never be good enough. But they'll keep trying, because our society tells losers that you can be anything if you try hard enough.

so far the closest we had to that was fatal1ty and no one in the current scene is close to being like him afaik

So you've never had a dream in your life?
They're kids fuck man

If the world didn't have anyone that took risks in it we'd be living in fucking dirt huts

>e-""""""""sports""""""""
someone post the cringe webm, you know the one

you're right

noone was having fun all these years

everyone was only pretending but you figured it out

kill yourself

it isnt big.

the biggest events get like 500k-1mil views and thats barely equivalent to a random weekly sitcom show.

money

>16 year old kid literally becomes a millionaire by playing dota

it also stops onesided shitstomps from happening, which are usually unfun for everyone

Autismos want/needing to validate themselves and their hobby for the sake of their shitty emotional needs that caused them need to seek such validation.

So they throw money at "pros" simply to be able be all like since people can make money and a living off of that they are able justify their hobby through that and not feel like such fucking losers.
And others just like watching the same old fully optimized game play over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again since that fun for them to see for whatever ungodly reason but hey at least those people are having genuine fun unlike the fags seeking validation of themselves somehow

i havent met anyone who could look back and say: yeah, it was worth it. 10 years from now no one will say: "wish i played more dota man"
its a shitty escape mechanism

t. 3k hours in dota

>thousands of people paying real currency to watch gooks playing videogames

what a time to be alive

I wish I played more halo 3 custom games

why are asians so good

Well you have shit friends then. I play LoL with my friends and enjoy it, we never play ranked.

I also enjoy watching the pro scene. Seeing what the best players are doing and watching them play gets me hyped to play the game and try out certain champions.

i wanna see this

We tell kids that they can achieve anything and we wonder why our society has one of the highest rates of suicide in the world.

90% of people are born losers and will stay losers. Why delude them otherwise?

Yeah but some people say "wish I had more fun with my friends playing dumb shit in obscure Source mods."

Higher average IQ.

people who cant play

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*tips mitre*

>million dollar tournament
>completely empty

Ok now I'm interested

What the fuck?

Simple: ease of access. Every single kid gets access to a desktop, a console and a smartphone now. Esports are a quiet activity kids can do after school, as opposed to playing outside with other kids, which is loud and messy.

Parents are lazy and games are the easiest route for them.

Stop playing pleb multiplayer games then.

That means you are a casual.

And that's great.

I have enough stress with work and family, I don't need more.

This is when it's time for Daddy Microsoft to put Old Yeller down.

I don't understand how they can do the same thing over and over again.

If he'll exists it's competitive MOBA.

Delusions of grandeur and delusions of potential grandeur mostly.

Damn OP, inside of your moms vagina looks crazy.

Halo will never go back to the glory days of what it once was but this is mostly on ESL being an awful mismanaged company

>Except nobody plays it casually.
>It's always just anger, or trying to one-up the other guys.
That's sports you retard. If anything esports tones it down to a passive aggressive level. At footballs games, depending on the city, there have been fans who've thrown batteries at the players and even cheered when players had to be taken out on a stretcher.

reminder that dota 2 and sc bw are the only good esports

There's a fair amount of variation in MOBA games is all.

Chess is the one that always confounds me. At the higher levels of play it's pretty much as Fischer said, a bunch of book and memorisation.

That said I only play Dota with a party of at least 4 for the past two years, I wouldn't touch that shit as a solo player.

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>trying to fight backdoor protection with only an MKB/Mjollner

fucking what

it never did. I'm guessing your image is for a yearly tournament or something and it looks like Smackdown crowd. Meanwhile this holds 100K+ people to watch amateurs play a game played over the course of 12-15 Saturdays while there are hundreds of other stadiums also being used and drawing millions of viewers from actual TV and not youtube shit.

I still have no fucking clue what dota or moba is

They're like anti-games.

The less you know, the better.

5 retards vs 5 retards except you're playing so you think it's 4 retards vs 5 retards except it's really 5 retards vs 5 retards because you're also retarded.

Why the fuck doesn't he have items keybound? Do pros actually click to activate items?

Dont bother with ranked play
Makes the genre quite a bit more bearable

he dropped it so as to get more mana from soul ring

Damn...

Really jogs the nog...

>e"sports"

nice meme

>LoL
>esports

retard

>e"sports"
nice meme

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>I miss when video games were about having fun.
so much this

I wish esports and how they're trying to push video games into being a competitive thing would just go away.

Multiplayer games were always about just having fun. I want that back again.

>16 year old kid literally becomes a millionaire by playing dota
One person out of how many others in the world, user?

The likelihood of anyone else reaching that is next to impossible if not impossible.

That's a lot of kids throwing away their time and effort into something that's never going to happen for them, when they could be putting their energy into something that's actually beneficial for them.

>26 year old man literally becomes a billionaire by working hard
One person out of how many others in the world, user?

The likelihood of anyone else reaching that is next to impossible if not impossible.

That's a lot of people throwing away their time and effort into something that's never going to happen for them, when they could be putting their energy into something that's actually beneficial for them.

That doesn't invalidate his point, other than you switching "playing Dota" with "working hard" which are obviously not the same thing.

unironically csgo skin gambling encouraging kiddies to watch esports so that they can turn their shitty 4 cent skins into a 1$ profit

It's sports for nerds