Does talent and passion influence game development?

Does talent and passion influence game development?

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of course not

EA spend gorrilions of dollars on marketing alone, that's how you sell games nowadays.
The demographic is extremely ignorant and gullible

Yes. But the comparison you're making is disingenuine.
The Mass Effect scene you're using is from random interaction with NPC, and Yakuza one is from one of the best animated major scenes in the game.
Granted, even the major scenes in Mass Effect don't really have significantly better animation, but at its worst Yakuza 0 animations are non-existant.

>Non-existent

Bold claim, prove there are sequences with no animations when there are supposed to be.

>Random NPC
youtube.com/watch?v=5b6qH48bslA

>random interaction with NPC
I know it's hard to figure out from the webm but the one on the left is supposed to be emotional. The problem is that the animation fucks over the seriousness of the scene. I'm pretty sure the webm is supposed to show how significant animation can be in amplifying a scene.

This is a dumb comparison. For one Yakuza 0 is pre-rendered while ME uses the in game engine, so obviously Yakuza is going to look much better. It's also incredibly disingenuous since ME is a much bigger game (with more marketing) than Yakuza.

Not that the facial animations aren't dog shit, but this comparison is retarded.

>pre-rendered
The Yakuza cutscene is in-engine at 1080p 60fps. I won't deny there are pre-rendered cutscenes in the game but this isn't one of them my man.

>no animations when there are supposed to be
I didn't say that. But the game has scenes where some scenes are animated in very minimalistic way as a stylistic choice. youtu.be/baOaBagWNTA?t=219
They scenes obviously look the way they are intended to look, and saying that is the game as its worst isn't really right. Personally what bothered me most was when they were using recycled NPC animations from past games for side-quests and some major scenes.

>Yakuza 0
>pre-rendered

u wot

>this isn't one of them my man.
Really? Well I'll take your word for it.

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Why try to bait? Even the lady who sell Takoyaki have better facial animation. But I'm sure that that NPC is actually a major character, right? (Also, great music too.)

jesus, even bf4 has better faces, how did they fuck up so bad

It is pre-rendered. In game cutscenes are the ones with text boxes. Those still have better animation than Andromeda

So then why not BTFO andromeda even further and use that scene in a webm comparison instead?

Yeah, they apply a high res map when it's pre-rendered so it's easy to spot. Also it will usually run at 30fps. Here is another example of an in-engine cutscene.
youtube.com/watch?v=F_2We9_apCk

>west vs east
western developers should just stop making any videogames at all.

uhhm..? no sweetie implying differences between people is due to "hard work" or "talent" is a microaggresion. the simply had more privilege due to environmental and discriminatory factors.please check your privilege before commenting on such issues

Liar, people can fucking read.

>Granted, even the major scenes in Mass Effect don't really have significantly better animation, but at its worst Yakuza 0 animations are non-existant.

>Yakuza 0 animations are non-existant.

This one should actually be the comparison against that andromeda gif because this one is actually an in-game cutscene.

So now this concludes that Andromeda really had shit character animations.

But bioware did have passion.
Passion to be inclusive and make a progressive game rather than a great game.

Are you fucking serious? Again that's one of the more important cut-scenes in game, and saying that takoyaki lady is just random NPC makes no difference. When Yakuza has scenes like that they go all out and have animate everything ridiculously well.
Are you gonna use the torture scene as an example next, since that features NPC you only see in two segments in the whole game?

>but at its worst Yakuza 0 animations are non-existant.
>but at its worst
Apparently you can't.

This one is an in-game cutscene. What now?

See this

Having a great game lead goes a long way. Everyone knows the name of Kojima, who made Mass Effect? Nobody knows.

The face in BF4 are better because the graphics are better (which makes sens since its not an open world).

that standoffish models on the left are horrifying even without the animation. they have no soul.

That's also pre-rendered, until around the part where Kuze whacks him with the pipe.

An example of in game cutscene is here
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of course

Welcome to capitalism. Where the measure of success are sales. Capitalists will insist that this ensures competition will bring quality, but this is not the case.

You see, the actual quality of a product and how much it sells may have some correlation, but how much a product sells is 100% correlated with how much it sells. Selling is the target, rather than a side effect of quality (which is the desirable target for most of us).

This is why in capitalism it's just more efficient to get interns and classless retards that will work for peanuts for the game itself and spend the real money in marketing campaigns.

This is why marketing is so huge. In our society, it's what matters. Want your children to have future? Don't tell them to do something they love and be proud of creating good things. Tell them to study marketing and advertising in order to sell shit to people, because with automation it's the only job that will have a future.

The game has 3 types of cutscenes though. As soon as Kuze gets off the bike is when it turns into actual gameplay. You can tell because it switches from 30fps to 60fps like a normal cutscene.

I was never saying that Yakuza doesn't have good animations when they put an effort in. Almost all of main story stuff looks insanely good. All important bits look great.
But you can't use that as an indicator of the whole game, unlike Mass Effect where all the shitty animations and models are constant all the way through. The major scenes look similar to ones you get when doing side-missions.

In Yakuza the main-story scenes and ones for side-missions are like night and day. That's all I'm saying, and I forgot the point I was originally making.

Also, just because people shouldn't compare only 2 games. youtube.com/watch?v=Oe_Yk2j0BCQ And for the bait user, this is all in game engine.

>Pre-rendered until hit by the pipe

Factually incorrect.
Yakuza 4 and 0 use a shitload of ingame cutscenes but with higher res textures and better models.
Naughty Dog also do this a fair bit since it's takes considerably less time than a pre-rendered cutscene

youtube.com/watch?v=jwEo4Le3McE Just to add more

Honestly, you'd think that the characters in ME:A were androids and those in Automata were humans. That's how shitty the character animation of Andromeda is.

And that's against a budget of maybe a $3M dollar game or something.

Let's just face it. Andromeda is totally shit.

>there are people defending Andromeda
>have to claim animation is "non-existant"
>get BTFO
>but it's PRE-RENDERED GAWD

ffs man

"nowadays"

6M only ?

the nippon sure know how to make game

Nope. It's always like that even from yakuza 1, the lighting make the cutscene look different. I always though it pre-rendered too but then a glitch changed the model in Yakuza 2 it also show in cutscene.
Webm is an example in Yakuza 5

I find neither sides particularly good looking.

>hehe it's always been this bad
>ur just "le wrong generation" xd

go back (to reddit)

>i'm gonna be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian xP
apply yourself

Ehh if the main complaint is face animations I dont have much of a problem with. There not being a simple crouch and the Sudoku mini game hacking are the worst. But i mean the gameplay is like all the mass effects. As far as talent and passion... No its more sales and revenue and the passion for that.

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>not posting Majimas song from Dead Souls
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This shit is from the goddamn zombie spin off game, and it blows biowares main release out of the fucking water

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>Non-existent

>Bold claim, prove there are sequences with no animations when there are supposed to be.

>Yes. But the comparison you're making is disingenuine.

>Granted, even the major scenes in Mass Effect don't really have significantly better animation, but at its worst Yakuza 0 animations are non-existant.

So basic reading really isn't your strong suit. Just say you meant "virtually" non-existent instead of sperging out and making yourself look stupid. Either prove there are non-existent animations where their should be or refine your statement.

You would have to prove there were supposed to be animations where they are non-existent which is impossible. Meaning your argument in general is impossible to prove.

Wouldn't make more sense to simply say there are portions with low quality animations, than to simply lie? Then you would not have to lie to cover a lie, then try are defend yourself by saying

>No you

Take a shower, hit the weights, get a clue.

The point of that webm is that cutscene is not pre-rendered, Haruka model got replaced by Daigo

All I'm saying is that you can't really compare the two that well. At its best Yakuza 0 looks great, almost movie-quality. At its worst it has better animations than what series had in PS2 days, but not by much, see ...Side-missions should not be taken into account, since those are standard JRPG stuff, talk to NPC and go beat up some people, etc. They are clearly made from recycled assets.
But Andromeda has no amazing highs and lows to show, it looks the same all the way through. You know?

for you

>he doesn't know

user I don't know how to break it to you.
This was never a mass effect thread
You hype for 6 NIGGUH

Yakuza thread kyoudais

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WOAH BUREAKING ZA RAWWWWW
BUREAKING ZA WARUDO KOWASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

KIRISAKE TENDANESS

>leftist attempts to argue

8 years

Yes yes, I am in the wrong. I am an ESL, okay.

Gotta be accurate. It will only make your arguments better. Your English is really good.

post yfw Kuze theme

The whole dam point of that was to show that has a standard NPC conversation on the left and a non-interactable cutscene on the right.

no face because it was blown off

goddamn every time his theme came on i turned up the speakers all the way up, my roommate didnt even care, he just started headbanging because he thought it was that good.

Yeah Kuze theme is fucking pure hype. Aizawa's is fucking epic but it's nowhere as hype as Kuze