Morrowind vs Gothic 2

Which one of these games is the king of all open world RPGs?

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Gothic 2 no doubt

Gothic has the best design (Morrowind isn't half bad though) but the world is just less interesting.

Gothic 2

>hand-crafter open world with content everywhere and hidden stuff behind every rock
>better and more complex side quests
>more challenging combat
>Animated NPCs with daily routines
>Fully voiced
>Better character progression
>Better music
>Better world design
>More comfy
>More immersion
>Funny and memorable NPCs
>Memorable main character
Morrowind

>character customization
>more variety of builds
>better main story
>unique lore
>more freedom

Morrowind has a more interesting world, but Gothic does more with the world it has.

Gothic 2 is a much better overall experience, Morrowind has a few fun mechanics to mess around

Gothic 2 actually has characters, Morrowind just has templates.

Why not make separate threads for 2 great games so people can actually discuss them instead of shitposting

Gothic 2 is better in my opinion

why not make one containment thread for both these shitty games instead so we can discuss the actual king of open world RPGs

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Morrowind is more epic, Gothic is more comfy. Morrowind gives you more freedom, bug Gothic is more challenging. Morrowind has much better lore, but Gothic has much better characters.

Good lore IS comfy

You just contradicted yourself.

don't use the word comfy if you don't know what it means

>Good lore IS comfy

What?

Morrowind world as interesting as it is is the opposite of comfy.
The lore is an interesting mindfuck and Vvardenfell is a shithole.
Meanwhile Gothic is generic Europe with evil dragons fucking shit up.

Never got into Gothic. Does it even have locations besides plains and towns? Or complex dungeons?

All Gothic dungeons are pretty short, save for the final ones. The game is all about overworld exploration. And yes there are other locales.

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You can go inside comfy houses in Morrowind and read entire books about the lore and get a deeper understanding of the world. This makes you feel like you are in a real world.

I honestly have no idea how much comfier you expect Morrowind to be. Right from the beginning you can do whatever you want in any order you want and live wherever you want and sleep wherever you want. Precisely because Vvardelfell is such an isolated shithole, makes it so comfy. Far, far away from large scale commerce and industry. But I guess everyone has a different understanding of comfy.

Morrowind is better in all thew ways that matter, Gothic 2 is the Witcher 2 of its time.
Morrowind is a straight up RPG, everything is in the hands of your character, Gothic 2 is a semi open-world ARPG with a very linear story depending on a single branching choice.
Also the writing is ass.

gothic because TES is a giant pile of shit anyway, only reason why it's praised on here is because of all the nostalgiafagging

>reading books

In Gothic you don't read about stuff to make it comfy, you actually experience it in game because all the characters, the world, and everything feels alive


Morrowind's world is dead, it lacks any life

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The winner of this is like being crowned the tallest midget.
This fight is a real purse swinger.

>Morrowind is better in all thew ways that matter

Like what?

combat obviously

sure

Better writing, better story, better music, better world, better background/lore

I likethe Gothic games but they are pretty mediocre.

>better world

only the lore is better. The world itself is dead, copy+paste, NPCs are generic templates.

Combat is irrelevant, Morrowind combat is RPG, Gothic combat is Action.

Don't be dishonest here please.

Anyway, isn't the difficulty totally fucked in the addon to Gothic 2?

At least in Morrowind you don't have to do fucking min-maxin and carefully plan how to spend your points so the rest of the game is beatable. In Morrowind it works intuitively.

Also Morrowind has far more skills. Like 40 or something, I don't remember and every single one you can upgrade to Lv100 or beyond.

No game comes even close to that amount of customization, plus all the Mods of which Morrowind has thousands more than Gothic 2.

Alright fuck it I want to try out Gothic II. Any essential mods?

Retard.

how can he be wrong when he's right
the world is dead, npcs are just walking encyclopedias with no schedules
a dead world and awful combat, the only saving grace is TES' incredibly overrated lore

And that's my biggest issue with Gothic.

It would have been great if the makers didn't expect that you would get acquainted with every nook and cranny and every game mechanic in order to just progress fluidly without dying every second. It is a little bit targeted towards masochistic autists. It takes autism to just have fun in this game.

Sure it would take a gigantic portion of autism too to explore everything in Morrowind, but that isn't really required. In Gothic 2 you need every fucking precious EXP you can get.

>Don't be dishonest here

>Don't be dishonest here please

Except that's true

Have you even played Gothic?

Every single NPC in Gothic is fully voiced and animated, and every line is unique
All NPCs have daily routines and unique personalities. During the day they do their daily tasks, during the evening they go to a tavern, during the night their go to their homes to their beds to sleep. Even enemy creatures have daily routines. You can wait till nightfall and hunt an animal that went to sleep in its lair


There is hidden stuff to discover LITERALLY every few steps, behind every rock and every tree.

In Morrowind if you travel from one town to another you will probably see literally NOTHING except an entrance to another copy+pasteish looking tomb or a cave, you're very lucky if you come across a scrib because there's almost no enemies in the overworld

Suck my dick I recommend mods for first time Morrowind players

But that's wrong, the world has an incredibleattention to detail, your encycloedia argument is retarded and who gives a shit about your schedule garbage ?

I can tell you're just a butthurt Gothic fanboy with a hateboner for Morrowind, I often see your kind around here.

>and carefully plan how to spend your points so the rest of the game is beatable

that's a good thing

>plus all the Mods of which Morrowind has thousands more than Gothic 2.

Even heavily modded Morrowind has less content, secrets, stuff to explore than vanilla Gothic 2

it's quite obvious you haven't played Gothic 2

If you did you would get so fucking blown away at how much more detailed and hand-crafted the game is compared to Morrowind

>the world has an incredibleattention to detail
bethesda didn't get good at worldbuilding till oblivion/fallout, morrowind is still a boring brown empty void
>your encycloedia argument is retarded and who gives a shit about your schedule garbage ?
you should since TES went the same route with later installments
>I can tell you're just a butthurt Gothic fanboy
i played gothic and morrowind only recently, hadn't played either games prior
gothic was miles better, morrowind was garbage
it's very obviously nostaglia that keeps it afloat though, it's pervasive here

neither of those are M&M

Gothic 2 is much more comfy
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>I often see your kind around here.
It's one guy

I really don't fucking get the praise Gothic gets. I find the questing tedious, the combat "challenging" but incredibly boring (is there something I'm missing here? You just backstop when they come at you/and block at particular attacks. Once you find the pattern you're good to go). The world is pretty boring, the voice acting is bad, the story line is mediocre, and item progression is average. But all of these issues are compounded by a terrible U.I and controls. I'm trying to like it but I dunno, it just seems like a failed attempt at every turn.

Can you give some examples of this? Where can I find this finely tuned world building

>it's one guy
keep being delusional you little butthurt autist

have you only played 1 ?

Morrowind.
At least Morrowind is still played and discussed today.

People only remember Gothic 2 because some autist compares it to every other modern popular game.

reminder that it's still autism awareness day

how about you play the game instead and see for yourself, it's literally impossible to put it in words

Every npc in morrowind has a schedule, don't they? This really isn't that remarkable-oh great, they go to the outdoor bar at 7pm...why is that so impressive. I'm not clear on what secrets you're talking about either, Morrowind had interesting items and locations all over the place with some good environmental storytelling to boot.

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Sup Forums has always loved gothic you faggot

the only reason Morrowind is more popular on Sup Forums was because it was advertised worldwide while Gothic was only advertised in one country and many people don't know about it

It seems that Gothicucks simply lack imagination. You can't underrate good lore.

It is an alien world you can always return to and relax in it. It is not your generic European dragons/magic/fantasy shit. It is so different, it might as well be in another galaxy. You can fully customize your character and there are many races. Where are the races in Gothic 2? Where is the customization?

Plus a realistic world shouldn't be filled to the brim with secrets and loots. If you walk around in Real life for hours you don't necessarily stumble across something valuable like money. Maybe only a few times in your entire life.

>Sup Forums has always loved gothic you faggot
>the only reason Morrowind is more popular on Sup Forums
hmm...

>Sup Forums has always loved gothic you faggot

Since the last six months?

Holy fucking shit, the same thread with the same copy pasted bullshit

kill yourself you fucking loser

I am playing it. I'm not seeing it, I'm asking for one example beyond "characters have schedules". That's not remarkable. Npcs in morrowind go to bed as well I believe, although maybe they don't go to the local pub. What that adds beyond a little realism (and more likely some more time in terms of how long it takes to complete a given quest cause you have to hunt the guy down is beyond me).

I'm not saying it's a terrible game by any means I'm just not seeing much of what you're describing. Maybe I haven't gotten far enough, I'm on the pirate island in NoTR

this baiting is getting obvious now

I never had a chance to play Gothic only because I was so enthralled with Morrowind. That being said, I don't think any game fucked up combat worse than TES3.

tes easily

>If you walk around in Real life for hours you don't necessarily stumble across something valuable like money.

But it's a game not real life, it's supposed to be fun.

>It seems that Gothicucks simply lack imagination

That's because it's a video game not a book, and in Gothic you actually experience things and not just imagine it. The reason Morrowind relies so heavy on books is because Bethesda was too lazy to actually put it in the game and just made a wall of text

>You can fully customize your character and there are many races.
You can customize your character as well in Gothic, only in Morrowind you can also customize your appearance which you can also do in FIFA, doesn't mean FIFA is a good RPG

The world in TES3 is much emptier, because the world is much bigger.

If you concentrated all the content of the world in an area the same size as Gothic 2 it would be full as well.

>Npcs in morrowind go to bed as well I believe

no they don't, not sure what the fuck made you think they do

>Sup Forums goes on about how great gothic's combat is
>literally can't kill anything without crits
>game doesn't tell you this in any way

That I haven't played it in years. And my budding brain tumor.

Again, this is realistic.

You can assume that if they're sleeping their houses are closed. And if they are awake they will sure as hell not sleep in the presence of a stranger. And maybe they slept but you woke them up. Again: Imagination.

>And if they are awake they will sure as hell not sleep in the presence of a stranger. And maybe they slept but you woke them up. Again: Imagination.

In Gothic they actually wake up and tell you go get the fuck out of their house if you wake them up, and if you don't leave after a while they will attack you. And you can use sneaking skills to not wake them up while you're in their house while they're asleep

Again in Gothic you actually experience it, in Morrowind you just imagine it

This map looks amazing.

is this game really that good?

The world of Morrowind has plenty of secrets and stuff to explore, there's incredible loot laying around and exploration is rewarded.

Oblivion
Kill yourself

Ph shit I had no idea goth 2 was even out...just found like 4 games I need to buy, not enough shekels and non't want to risk torrent on a new pc build. feels bad man...

I agree. Everyone who thinks Oblivion is better than those should kill himself.

...

and despite that Oblivion was a great game, fantastic modded.

You're just a cunt.

The dialogue in Morrowind aside from the main quest is so fucking BAD, hardly any of the NPCs have unique dialogue, it makes the world feel so fucking dead. It's almost impossible to get immersed when the NPCs have no differentiation in dialogue.

no it's shit even when modded beyond all fuck

The interplay between factions in Morrowind is so fucking overrated. Two-three quests at the end of the Fighters/Thieves guild is hardly "interplay between factions" on a game-wide scale.

Only talking about Telvanni here, but once you get your own tower almost all of your missions involve fucking over the Mages Guild or the other Houses in some way or the other.

Thieves guild in Gothic 2:

>nobody knows who they are
>those who know something about them won't tell you anything
>have to gain people's trust to get information
>if you piss them off they send an assassin to kill you
>once you find out where their base is you can either join them after passing several tests or rat them out to the guards and have them wiped
>if you join them you learn their secret sign to communicate with other thieves in the town

Thieves guild in Morrowind

>"Hi this is thieves guild"
>"I wanna join"
>"OK welcome"

To the Gothic 2 fans in here, does the first Gothic also have great design and unique characters?

yes

Gothic 1 has better main story, but the quests are less interesting and it's very outdated and clunky

Gothic 2 is an overall better game, but Gothic 1 is great too

>Disneyworld game design

What is that supposed to mean?

Thanks, wanted to get into these games and figured i should start with the first

not mature, dark and edgy enough for mature gamers such as myself

Zelda.

1 has a better setting overall but the gameplay is outdated as fuck

going to the mine colony in 2 will definitely have a lot less of an impact if you didn't play 1 tho

i might as well give you some tips that will save u time

>if you get the steam version install systempack
>to pick up items in 1 press LMB+W
>pick up a pick axe that you will see at the beginning, equip it, and practice swinging it until you get the hang of it.
>stick to the main roads at the beginning
>don't pick fights with humans at the beginning
>If a NPC knocks you out you don't die, he will steal your gold and sword but you will get up after a while
>save a lot because you will die a lot
>backstep and sidestep is important, you have to learn enemy attack patterns and how to dodge their attacks
>there is 0 level scaling meaning you could get fucked by a end-game enemy at lvl 1 if you wander off into a wrong place

And for Gothic 2 DX11 mod is a must have, but don't install DX11 for Gothic 1 because it's bugged

>We're going to argue which is the better vidya
>No judgements based on gameplay though
What the fuck.