Which company is going to drop out of the console market?

Which company is going to drop out of the console market?

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Microsoft is the only feasible one at the moment, they've been trying to sneak out of it for years.

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Nintendo will either lose all their money on consoles that only sell well in the first week and go third party or slowly drain themselves until nothing is left.

After that, they'll go third party, and their exclusivity deals would probably swing Sony's way due to Japs liking only other Japs, but for the most part, they'd publish games on everything.

Then, it'd be Microsoft and Sony, and it'd probably stay like that for a long time till either Sony goes bankrupt (which will be after we die) or Microsoft makes Xbox a digital service .

After that, Sony will be left making games, and with them having a monopoly on the console market, another company is bound to join in, but by that time, Sony has all the exclusives and that new company will only last a few gens

>you will never live in the timeline where Sega never dropped out and Microsoft never entered

Nintendo makes a profit on every console they sell. Even Wii U turned a profit.

They literally have enough in the bank to keep operating for like 80 years.

If the Scorpio underperforms, I wouldn't be shocked if MS just decide to cut their losses completely and leave the videogame world. Sony can't afford to, since the PlayStation division is the only thing aside from Sony Life Insurance that's keeping them alive. No idea how Ninty are doing financially, so I can't really say there.

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised Samsung haven't tried their hand at videogames in some capacity yet.

The smart move for microsoft is to leave console and push PC. Though in all honesty microsoft is so rich even if xbox isn't profitable they don't need to drop out.

feels bad :( we could be playing with holograms on our new sega console by now

No one is leaving.

Sony and MS offer very similar products. MS has better resources: the services on the horizon for the Xbox platform, including crossplay on your PC, probably will lead to dominance in western markets. But Sony will keep its foothold in Japan, and unless the Japanese gaming industry collapses, that will probably be enough to keep them around.

Nintendo's gamble with the Switch appears to be paying off. They're back in the black, have the most valuable IPs in the world, and are printing money on smartphones.

nintendo has already left, the switch is not a console

And they're going to blow all that money on near-failure projects at this rate. Doesn't matter how much they have in the bank, if they can only sell for a few weeks, they're not going to be making much

i mean nintendo has kinda almost left, but only to focus on the portable market, the switch is still technically a home console as well and they are doing well enough to see them through to the next few generations at least.
after Xbone i dont see Microsoft going any further unless they have a serious regrouping strategy in mind.
the thing is, sony and Nintendo are trying two different approaches to console gaming and aren't really in direct competition with each other.
Microsoft on the other hand is basically just a ps4 without any exclusives and anything it did hold to its chest is now available on pc.
Scorpio will bomb and it dosent appeal to me in the slightest.
also note that sony has had its ups and downs with profit margins over the last few generations, but i think they will tough it out untill Microsofts inevitable dropout.

Microkeks. Absolutely no one gives a fuck about xbone games or scorpio.

Nintendo seems to be making retarded decisions but I doubt they'll leave.

Sony can't leave.

Microsoft did well with the Xbox 360 but the one was slightly shittier than the shitty ps4 and failed. All of their ips are either on pc or dead like project Gotham racing and halo.

>After that, they'll go third party, and their exclusivity deals would probably swing Sony's way due to Japs liking only other Japs, but for the most part, they'd publish games on everything.
Nope,third party Nintendo is mobile with luck a steam-like client

Anyone that says Microsoft is either underaged or absolutely braindead

Microsoft shareholders loath the Xbox division since it's inception

>Nintendo's gamble with the Switch appears to be paying off
The WiiU also was a huge success in the lauch
>are printing money on smartphones
Really?

Microsoft will purchase nintendo. No doubt about it.

>at this rate
The second highest selling video game home console in history was made by Nintendo last generation.

Given the Wii U was the least selling of the next generation they still maintained net profit gains, just nowhere near the level of Sony or microsoft. Know why? Its not the console sales. Its Paid online. You can't be a competing company and watch the other 2 get literally a billion dollars a year in free money and not follow suit.

Nintendo's not going anywhere. If they do it'll be long after we're all dead.

You could just aswell replace Nintendo with Sony for that post.

Nintendo already has. I wouldn't consider the switch an actual console, it's a portable. Don't try to call it both.

It quite literally is both. Your opinion doesn't change that.

they all mass produced foreign made shitboxes with exclusives fanbois eat up why would any of them drop out?

but they aren't making money, and they have a bad hardware track record, and they dont have any good games, and they keep making awful business decisions, and they aren't making money.
its gotten to the point where i dont even want to run my gamss on Windows.

they hit lucky with the 360 by coming out early and having halo and gears before they got stale.
people even defended their shitty hardware failure rate because it had the killer apps.
what do they have now?

All of them, eventually.

>Microsoft will purchase nintendo. No doubt about it.
Microsoft shareholders will be very displeased with this

meant for but still relevant

Microsoft. They're already edging towards it with Play Anywhere. If Microsoft loses another generation in blowout fashion, they'll likely go full sail with PC gaming.

that can either be fantastic or catastrophic, i dont want to think about what will happen to pc gaming if they decide to go all out with the platform.

Microsoft have already softly dropped out of the console market, I think they see the writing on the wall. Consoles are dead. Scorpio will just be another shit-tier PC rig which is what all consoles are now. But I think that's fine for them, it will allow them to gently segway into full PC gaming development.

At least Nintendo were smart enough to do something different with the Switch, they'll probably carve out their own little niche market like they always do.

Sony, on the otherhand, is beyond fucked.

The one that is losing money with the blue banner.

Anyone remember how last gen all the third parties proudly presented their software sales? For modern games the wikipedia sales section is just "oh it debuted at X in the UK". Software sales are down across the board. Last generation the industry grew artificially with massive marketing bux, and the normies are losing interest.

This.

Didn't Microsoft and and Nintendo technically already left?

>the normies are losing interest.

Yeah it's because normies don't need consoles anymore. Mobile gaming is now the number one platform for vidya.

google.co.uk/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/04/22/mobile-game-revenue-to-pass-console-pc-for-first-time.html

Microsoft has technically made a PC and Nintendo has technically made a tablet, and Sony is left to rot and die in the console industry. Is this the best timeline?

I would love if only Sony and Nintendo competed against each other. At least they offer completely different experiences and games. With Microsoft you're just getting the same console as the PS4 but with no meanwhile exclusives.

There is no competition and at the ways things are looking Sony is on its way out, since the console industry has fallen significantly. At least Microsoft has PC as a fallback and Nintendo has mobile. Sony is straight up screwed.

Sony likely will turn to streaming

True, the PSN streaming is just the start.

None.
> Sony spent lots of cash now. PS4 is finally blooming and they start to rip off the award.
> Nintendo will continue. They can afford failures but their moves are pretty smart. If Switch will start to fail - they'll just release Pokemons on it.
> Microsoft uses Xbox as a seller of Windows10. if it'd generate losses - it'd still be ok for them. They still achieve good results though. GamePass may bring them loads of money.

Xbone sales never seemed that great, and I hardly know a soul who owns one over the PS4, and I know a lot of people.

I feel like when they marketed it as a DRM nightmare, they were trying to prove something to investors, so they would have a reason to abandon it all. Why? Because a lot of money gets poured into something the video game division no longer wants to be a part of, and the only way out is to ruin it with poor sales.

I feel like primarily marketing it as a system for watching the game on was a second attempt, but it backfired to an extent because idiot consumers actually want that.

Sony.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere. While the Switch is really a handheld, Nintendo is treating it like a console which leads me to believe as long as consoles remain a viable model in 10 years we'll be seeing a console with a new gimmick. That and as already mentioned thanks to Nintendo not selling consoles at a loss it's pretty much impossible for them to lose money.

Microsoft isn't going anywhere either. The goal of the Xbox division is to keep Windows platforms relevant by putting it in your living room, hence why the Xbox One was focused on being more of a TV box than a console. Expanding Microsoft's presence is worth the financial hit since Microsoft makes tens of billions in profit a year. I've said it before and I'll say it again; the fact that development for Scorpio, an even riskier console, got greenlighted after the massive at the time failure of the Xbox One shows how important this is to Microsoft.

Then there's Sony. Right now, PlayStation is doing incredibly well but Sony as a whole isn't. This is important because it means that Sony cannot afford more than two botched launches as their either won't be willing or won't be able to put forward the capital after that. Also as Sony continues to shutter more of their divisions, the advantages PlayStation used to have decline. What I mean by this is that now that Sony isn't a major electronics manufacturer, they can no longer use in-house components and save money on R&D by having it function for both the PlayStation and another division. On top of all this, and possibly most importantly, Sony is the least likely to survive a death of consoles. Microsoft will be covered with Xbox doubling as a TV box, and Nintendo has always made weird hybrid-experimental products so they'll have something too (the Switch being Nintendo's answer to a dying handheld market).

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Sony.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere. While the Switch is really a handheld, Nintendo is treating it like a console which leads me to believe as long as consoles remain a viable model in 10 years we'll be seeing a console with a new gimmick. That and as already mentioned thanks to Nintendo not selling consoles at a loss it's pretty much impossible for them to lose money.

Microsoft isn't going anywhere either. The goal of the Xbox division is to keep Windows platforms relevant by putting it in your living room, hence why the Xbox One was focused on being more of a TV box than a console. Expanding Microsoft's presence is worth the financial hit since Microsoft makes tens of billions in profit a year. I've said it before and I'll say it again; the fact that development for Scorpio, an even riskier console, got greenlighted after the massive at the time failure of the Xbox One shows how important this is to Microsoft.

Then there's Sony. Right now, PlayStation is doing incredibly well but Sony as a whole isn't. This is important because it means that Sony cannot afford more than two botched launches as their either won't be willing or won't be able to put forward the capital after that. Also as Sony continues to shutter more of their divisions, the advantages PlayStation used to have decline. What I mean by this is that now that Sony isn't a major electronics manufacturer, they can no longer use in-house components and save money on R&D by having it function for both the PlayStation and another division. On top of all this, and possibly most importantly, Sony is the least likely to survive a death of consoles. Microsoft will be covered with Xbox doubling as a TV box, and Nintendo has always made weird hybrid-experimental products so they'll have something too (the Switch being Nintendo's answer to a dying handheld market).

Microsoft is slowly inching their way towards something PC related. Eventually they will be strictly PC gaming.

Nintendo is going to release just one more console, something like the Switch, but sporting hardware similar to the PS4 Pro. Afterwards they'll go into the mobile and 3rd party market, making games exclusively for PC.

Sony will try their hand at another home console, and most likely refrain from the portable market. After that they will drop their games department and move onto something else, continuing to receive money from other branches of their company.

This isn't like the 70's, where the envisioned future looks no different than present day (at the time). You have to look ahead, face the facts, and come to terms with the fact that console gaming will die with the next generation. First they were ahead of their time, then the rest of technology caught up, and now it's leaving console gaming in the dust. Nintendo wouldn't have went the route they did had this not bbeen realized already. Nobody has time for a home console anymore.

So what you're saying is, PC wins.

PC is dying too,

Microsoft already seem (and feel) as though they're on the way out by choice. Games cancelled, little to show at E3, Scorpio somewhere, but no one is interested anymore.

Le dying xD amirite

Well no. PC just stays alive because there will always be a market for real video games, but the Mobile Phone scene will rule the day because the millions of dollars that casuals poured into the market is nose diving hard, and without them, all that will exist is the niche portion of Steam and mobile games.

Sony is the most likely to outlast the competition but consoles are fucked in the next decade or so.

I feel like this applies to everyone. The feeling of noncare about consoles that is.

Everyone was hyped as fucked for eighth gen because seventh gen went so well games wise but it was just disappointment. Everyone who cared went to pc and normies just got another hobby or stuck with call of duty.

Bets - Microsoft
Reality - Microsoft
Desire - Sony and I'm a sony autist. I want them to fucking stop. That or get mark Cerny out

But the bigger question is what about valve

If valve goes under who takes their place? What happens to steam? What then?

>If valve goes under who takes their place?
Microsoft
>What happens to steam?
Become a Microsoft product

Valve would have to fuck up catastrophically to lose their position. They're already the number 1 distributor of digital games and don't have to do shit

Steam is so profitable I don't that will happen. Steam has no competitors and with the decline of consoles I doubt much will happen. They don't make games anymore but they still make money.

Impossible for nintendo to drop out. They are Video Games. Sony doesn't make games.

For someone to replace them, they have to exist, and have cemented themselves in as a popular enough and formidable alternative. I don't know who that will be, but they better hurry their asses up, otherwise if Valve dies, video games may die with it. If you have a period of nothing, then everyone loses interest, because short attention spans, and all of a sudden all you have is nostalgia fags buying up old video games on Ebay and from retro game stores.

The Wii was in the right place at the right time.

At the end of the day they've decided to make the Switch instead of being able to sell their 1st party IP on 10s of millions of machines.

There's no reason for a AAA game developer to ignore PC gaming in 2017.

Nintendo WILL drop out of the console market. Open your eyes man. They developed their first mobile game app, and with a surprising amount of anticipation from consumers. They are slowly embracing the mobile market, and the Switch is merely a tool to ween their customers off of home consoles.

>There's no reason for a AAA game developer to ignore PC gaming in 2017.
Rampant piracy, and unwillingness of pc gamers to pay 60$

There's no doubt that one day all consoles will go away.

The question is where will MS, Sony and Nintendo be when that happens?

If Nintendo had embraced mobile in the early 2010s when people were jailbreaking phones just to play pokemon emerald on them then they would be the largest video game publisher in the world.

But they chose not to, so now they're playing catch up.

That's the cost of doing business though. Just because people pirate doesn't mean you should limit yourself to less than 10 million sales.

Does Tecent become bigger than Nintendo?

Or just make an actually competitive console with good specs and good first party titles that can actual renew some competition in the industry.

user, they have 5 billion US dollars in the bank.

gamnesia.com/news/nintendo-has-around-5-billion-in-the-bank-and-9-billion-in-current-assets

Like, literally just sitting. In the fucking bank.

That's not including all their IP, their actual assets, all the companies they hold partial ownership in, or their investments.

They could literally lose 250million dollars a year every year, and they wouldn't even have to touch their assets for 20 years.

Microsoft isn't going belly up any time this century, but they may leave the game market cause they're too bored of it.

Sony (the whole company, not just the games division) has a higher chance of going bankrupt than Nintendo does.

As soon as one does the rest will probably follow suit.

That probably not the way tha Kotick and co think

I think Sony pulling out of consoles would eventually lead to bankruptcy. Their games division is their most successful one right now.

MS will still be a giant and people will still buy their OS that manages to be shittier than Win10

Doesn't matter if they have all that money and never use it for anything good. Sure they won't go down anytime soon but it doesn't mean they'll never go down. They easily have the ability to produce and good and competitive console but they seemingly refuse to do so. They're even making a 3ds replacement so they're gonna have two hand heads which will only harm their portables.

>They're even making a 3ds replacement

No, they're not.

What about debts and liabilities?

You're confusing an industry with a market.

The demand for consoles shrinks every day. Kids want a tablet so they can play games for 20 minutes and then go on Youtube after that. So why invest in consoles when it becomes more expensive to make new IP year after year? What company would want to do this? Apple maybe? Some random Chinese startup?

And can just take a loss to launch a decent product, the Switch could had be fantastic if Nintendo don't be so averse with risk

They've come out and said the switch isn't a 3ds replacement. I guess I read the line wrong but if they continue this tend of no proper bone console than it won't turn out well in the long term. The point is they could make much better decisions and it will be there eventual downfall if they keep pushing some gimmicks. There won't be a wii ever again.

Nintendo has pretty much 0 debt. I think it was $5K last time I checked.

Nintendo just dropped out of the console market with the Switch, even though they said Switch is a Wii U replacement, and that 3DS will still be getting games. They have the cash and profits to give console another shot, but decided to do their own thing (console/portable hybrid?).

Microsoft turned Xbox into a locked down sub-par PC. Their most profitable division right now is the cloud/azure, then enterprise/office. Their "other personal computing" (which includes xbox) division is getting as much love as Windows 10. They have the massive cash and profits from other divisions to stay in the game for as long as they want, but at this point, I think they're keeping xbox alive just for consumer awareness, branding, and keeping consumers from moving to their competitors. Same with giving away Windows 10 to consumers for free.

Sony's PlayStation division is one of their several profitable divisions that is keeping Sony afloat. As long as it keeps on making money, then it's not going away anytime soon.

Microsoft is already somewhat on PC now, they're just making their Xbox into more of a PC to finally fulfill their goal of having Windows in the living room. Nintendo is moving more towards the mobile market, tablet to be more exact and have made a system specifically for that. Both Microsoft and Nintendo are fine and can make monopolies where they're at, Sony on the other hand could go for streaming but they may not have much more money in the tank to last them and will go bankrupt.

They also said the GBA wasn't a GBC replacement, and that the DS was supposed to be sold alongside GBA.

They merged their Handheld and Console hardware divisions so that they're only working on one project at a time now, and the entire team has been working on the Switch since it merged (it merged months after the Wii U release). The Switch is pretty much the 3DS replacement at this point.

>it won't turn out well in the long term

So far it's been fine, being the best selling console released outside of the holiday season.

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Sony has around $10 billion in the bank. In Japan, they are a bank, a fairly large one. They're not going anywhere, either.
Microsoft splits their cloud revenue up into two divisions that mix cloud and non-cloud products: Productivity, which encompasses Office 365 and desktop suite licensing, and "Intelligent Cloud," which encompasses Azure and Windows Server product licensing. Their highest-revenue division, though, is "More Personal Computing," which includes Surface, Windows 10, vidya (Xbox Live is doing quite well even though Xbox hardware sales are in decline), and search advertising. It generates nearly as much revenue as the other two combined.

literally the only one who /might/ is Microsoft, Sony's only surviving thanks to their console, it's pretty much become what's funding them, their only saving grace because every other branch of theirs sucks a fat shit.

Nintendo's only had one year in the past three decades they didn't turn a profit, they're never gonna stop, not with the Switch's success proving to the what everyone's been telling them, advertising matters.

Its the best selling compared to what? Last gen? I'm just saying man if you think Nintendo has any future with their current strategy you're deluded. Sure it's selling now because it had a lot of hype, but time will tell if it gets the games and performance people want.

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Yeah, Sony's 10B in the bank is definitely equal to Nintendo's 5B in the bank.

Totally.

this, please, please make them go away.

Itt: sweaty pc and sony nerds that want nintendo games so badly they delude themselves once again

Every time we have this thread

>It's another "Boy, I sure hate Nintendo, I hope everyone in my thread will agree with me!" episode
>The 20th one this season

Sony's nearly over their head in debt and they're always on the verge of going bankrupt.

Nintendo pretty much just keeps a tiny bit of debt so that investors don't get scared by seeing a company doing too good.

Obviously Microsoft, they were actually going to scrap the brand a short while back for not making enough money.

Sony are trying to turn the PS4 into their media machine. A bit like what Microsoft tried to force with the Xbone before its release.

I don't think the Playstation is going anywhere unless Sony have some serious problems in the company but even then, the Playstation will likely be one of the last divisions to get axed.

Nintendo are just Nintendo. I can actually see them exiting the console market and focusing on handhelds and games if the Switch becomes a Wii U 2.0

But in answer to your question, I genuinely don't believe the Xbox brand will be a thing by the end of 2018

sony is for black people

what a really good opportunity to learn about black culture!

Mobile games are such shit why do people pay for that shit

>Their highest-revenue division, though, is "More Personal Computing," which includes Surface, Windows 10, vidya (Xbox Live is doing quite well even though Xbox hardware sales are in decline), and search advertising. It generates nearly as much revenue as the other two combined.
Last time I checked when it comes to profit, it still loses compared to Productivity and Intelligent Cloud because of the lower margin, despite higher numbers.

Xbox is fine. It's not doing well financially but the 360 did quite well and the point is to get an integrated Windows ecosystem. Sony is trying something similar now.

Sony ironically will he the first to die. Sure ps is their main brand but that's the problem. They couldn't take maybe two botched generations.

Nintendo has already left the market in favor of portable consoles. The switch itself has no practical use as a home console.

Im sure you own a switch

>Samsung haven't tried their hand at videogames in some capacity yet.
they might have ages ago if the korean government didnt view video games as like an infectious disease, treating it like an outbreak

No but it doesn't take much to see why it can't be counted as one. It'd intended use is as a portable console. If they included some external gpu type thing in the base for it maybe but it's a portable console that can be used with a TV. That's it.

>why are normies mouth breathing retards
gee

Anybody else want microsofts scorpio to do well so they stop trying to 'help' PC gaming and leave us alone?