NieR: Automata

Excellent experience but this story is bullshit.

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Do th finished quests carry over each endings or so I have to do them all over again every time?

They carry over

Some carry over, some need to be repeated.

>some
The only ones that need to be repeated are storyquests and the first two shop ones

Stop posting on Sup Forums, Punished Nines.

Official 9S Maintheme

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It's about how it makes you feel.

>We must fight to save humanity
>actually, humanity is dead
>Oh. Well then fuck it.
>No! We must keep fighting!
>But the war is over is over? Who cares about that? Let's just do nothing.
>You know what? Fuck you. We will go to extreme lengths to make you think there's something worth doing still.
>But why...? Everyone's dead, son. This serves no purpose.
>Because fuck you. Data and... archives?
>No. Because video games.

How does that make you feel?

I too, just like you like to read spoilers in Nier Automata threads and pretend I have played the game.

Ah so you are just a clueless twat trying to stir shit.

They fight because it's all they know. Even if humanity is dead they still wanna fuck up the machines. At least, until the end.

The game breaks the fourth wall and humanity still exists at that point. In fact humanity is what helps you complete and the game. Humanity is the fact that you have internet and electricity at this point. Despite no meaning in life, people can still achieve great things working together. But you haven't completed it

I think you missed a couple things or you just don't understand the pov of some of the characters. Not saying you're completely wrong for feeling that way or that the story is deep, but maybe this kind of thing isn't for you. The characters in this story act on their emotions a lot and those emotions can be a little complicated.

Thing is, they knew that humanity was dead at one point before the creation of Yorha. Everyone gave up and pretty much accepted the loss. For some reason, this was not OK with [someone] and Yorha was created to create and perpetuate a lie for no good reason.

>for no good reason.
It was either survival or annihilation.

Like Commander said, people (or androids) need gods.

are fish ever good for anything? should i sell them as soon as i get them, or do i ever need any of them for a quest or some shit?

Fish are for money and lore

>Humans were never bound to programming
>but still we invented Gods to give greater purpose to our lives
>to androids, humanity is God
>they created the Council of Humanity to give themselves greater purpose

Mackerel is for eating but otherwise sell all fish you get

fuck. i just beat the a scenario without ever selling any, and i have a ton. guess its time to cash in

They were created for a purpose. That purpose was made moot when they failed. So someone who was thinking quite irrationally decided to make a bunch of super androids to continue fighting for nothing who were meant to be destroyed just so that the resistance weirdos would keep fighting machines even though there was no way to bring humans back even if they managed to win.

Alien Machine creators dead, Human android creators are dead, there's no point to anything, yet this convoluted yet ultimately pointless plot exists.

the whole game is an explicit exercise in Nietzschean philosophy, specially the main tenet "the meaning of life is whatever stops you from killing yourself", except that someone at a high level decided to lie to all of the androids and give them false meaning through eternal warfare.

Amazing now you realized why this existential crisis for Androids existed in the first place.

>Alien Machine creators dead, Human android creators are dead, there's no point to anything, yet this convoluted yet ultimately pointless plot exists.

Except for the fact that the robots and androids are locked in a war where in the end only one will win and inherit earth.
Even though it was later revealed both sides were being manipulated by a third party it doesn't mean they are both going to stop and get along simply because their creators are dead. You don't give up when your parents die, you carry on finding your own purpose for living. The director says as much half way through the game.

i can't even catch them.

how do you do it?

>Even though it was later revealed both sides were being manipulated by a third party

Drakengard was at its best when it just didn't give a fuck and went overboard with the joke endings. That's what made it interesting, it's like the SH2 dog ending but just completely overboard.

The previous hours of the fairly played straight musou stuff makes it better, gives the joke endings context.

Nier and Automata are character driven. And Taro's characters suck. They suck. Tragedy does not make a character interesting, tragedy does not automatically make a story interesting.

It's just more anime melodramatic bullshit.

>implying Beepy isn't the mastermind

What's this bullshit about Nier taking place in Drakengard's universe?

I liked the game but I'm having a hard time going through the second playthrough. 9s is boring as fuck compared to 2B

Nier takes place after Ending E of Drakengard 1

No I mean, some people say that Nier is a sequel to D2 in the same world.

I understand that they won't simply stop, but what gets me is that the Commander actively chooses to perpetuate the lie. It shows a lack of trust on her soldiers (and her kind in general) that really bothers me.

You and everyone else. You'll learn to like it.

if nier follows the ending of another game it's the logical assumption to make that they take place in the same world

>but what gets me is that the Commander actively chooses to perpetuate the lie
Did you miss the part where she gave 9S the secret data. I'm sure the behaviour of YoRHa including the Commander turning on the council is calculated in the entire Project that is YoRHa (which is probably why they periodically wipe everyone out and make place for the next generation of YoRHa)

>if nier follows the ending of another game it's the logical assumption to make that they take place in the same world
Yeah and that's point, it's literally impossible.

It wasnt a question of the Commander, moreso carrying out the protocol. Like said, but adding on, the Yohra project was established to give a purpose for the remaining androids, with only the Commander and whatever high level knowing.

This is akin to having competitors, god, whatever life parallel that drives people

There's intel in the game that references both games. The short explanation is that the old world is no more, all humans have died and all that remain are a bunch of androids and archived information about the humans' existence.

>(which is probably why they periodically wipe everyone out and make place for the next generation of YoRHa)

That is because the network is using yorha to push their own evolution by creating an ever new challenge to overcome. The constant wiping out of each preceding generation of androids is to push machine evolution and to keep the androids from catching on to that fact

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That's only your headcanon. The entire ending would have made no sense with N2 fucking off to escape this eternal war perpetuated by both Androids and Machine Life Forms

>There's intel in the game that references both games. The short explanation is that the old world is no more, all humans have died and all that remain are a bunch of androids and archived information about the humans' existence.
I don't think you understand jim. I read that Nier 1 is a sequel to Drakengard 2.

youtube.com/watch?v=uvbaM-URygs

> I read that Nier 1 is a sequel to Drakengard 2.
Whoever wrote that is wrong.

>That's only your headcanon

Not him but you're retarded. The backdoor was installed by the androids so they could wipe out YoRHa if necessity arrived. The machines found out about it and exploited it. "N2" didn't want to fuck off from earth because that was a mere aspect of itself that developed while it was having a debate with itself, which is why it fights with its other aspect when playing with A2. Did you just sleep through that part or something?

>there's no meaning to it

Yeah no, you got it all wrong because you can only see things through the PoV of humans. The game actively fucks with you if you do that at multiple points.

So, that 2B is pretty attractive, huh?
Still love theNier Drakengard games for their stories/music though.

Also A2 is superior bot

>The entire ending would have made no sense with N2 fucking off to escape this eternal war perpetuated by both Androids and Machine Life Forms

You must have missed 70% of the plot if that's the conclusion you drew from the game. It implicitly shows and explains the issue with not only N2 but the endless war between machines and androids. You obviously didn't even play the game.

Found this.

While the machine lifeform network was destroyed following the collapse of the Tower, a great deal of previously unknown information regarding machine lifeforms and aliens was recovered from the wreckage. As part of this analysis, we compiled research and conjecture regarding both the machine lifeform network and the lifeform Codename N2—commonly known as the Red Girls—that was thought to have been commanding them.
- Machine lifeforms are weapons created by the aliens. The only command given for their behavior was to "defeat the enemy." However, it appears that their capacity for growth and evolution went too far, and they eventually turned on and killed their creators.
- At this point, machine lifeforms recognized that the goal of "defeating the enemy" actually REQUIRED an enemy. In order to maintain this singular objective, they reached the contradictory conclusion that their current enemies—the androids—could not be annihilated completely, lest they no longer have an enemy to defeat.
- In order to resolve this inherent contradiction, the machine lifeforms began to intentionally cause deficiencies in their network, diversifying the vectors of evolution for all machines. This is the cause behind some of the more "special" machine lifeforms, such as Pascal and the Forest King.

Did you even read the other post? The last part of the post is making it sound as if N2 was behind YoRHa which isn't even remotely true since both factions are using each other to push their own evolution unbeknowst to each other. (YoRHa by creating better Androids and giving the rest of the Androids hope, Machine Lifeforms trying to push their own evolution)

- Meanwhile, the deficient network began repeating a process of self-repair while incorporating surrounding information, until it finally reached a fixed state as a new form of network. Traces of information regarding human memories from the quantum server of the old model were discovered, indicating that it had integrated them during the final stages of its growth process. Said server contained a record of the discarded "Project Gestalt," as well as information on the human who was the first successful example of the Gestalt process.
- Having acquired information regarding humanity, the network's structure changed once more, becoming what might better be called a meta network (or a "concept", to borrow the words of the machines). This led directly to the formation of the ego we identify as N2.
...So then! To sum up: For hundreds of years, we've been fighting a network of machines with the ghost of humanity at its core. We've been living in a stupid *****ing world where we fight an endless war that we COULDN'T POSSIBLY LOSE, all for the sake of some Council of Humanity on the moon that doesn't even exist.
I don't know what the point is to all this, but I swear I will kill every evolutionary dead-end machine lifeform, as well as every single asshole behind Project YoRHa.
I'm coming for all your heads. ***** you.
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Jackass

It's not possible for Nier to happen after DK2.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nier_(video_game)
>The game is a spin-off from the Drakengard series, and follows the fifth ending of the first game, the events of which have left the planet Earth in a state of decay.

I don't where you read that but that's bullshit. Like the other guy said, it derives from ending E in drakengard 1. There's the NieR dimension, which is the original one where magic didn't exist, and there is the drakengard one, which is the alternate one that appeared after the mysterious earthquake. When fighting the Grotesquerie Queen, she teleports with you from drakengard's dimension to Nier's. The white clorination syndrome comes from the the particles of her body, a matter called maso, which when in contact with a human forced him in a pact with the gods from drakengard's dimension. The infected human had two choices: to accept it and become a soldier of the legion; or to deny it and instantly crumble as a statue of salt.

Magic came from experiments with Angelus' body and Project Gestalt was born by fucking up with maso as means to basically wait out the end of the white clorination syndrome and so on and so forth.

I feel like I missed something. What's the significance of 2B actually being 2E and who was the little girl in red? Some kind of Mannah reference?

It didn't say it was behind YoRHa as in that it supposedly made YoRHa, but only that N2 was USING YoRHa, which is true, since it was actively exploiting the backdoor to wipe it out and remake it anew so it can continually push its own evolution by creating struggle. Lrn2read

>I don't where you read that but that's bullshit.
It was some timeline posted with D3 anniversary book in which they say Nier is the same world as D3 ending C.

It doesn't make sense, that's why I'm asking.

Do you people simply mash whatever button comes at mind and don't read anything? Jesus.

As I understand it, "2B" was a fake name that everyone but 9S was allowed to know about. Her actual purpose was designated E (for Executioner) and her duty was to eliminate the 9S units before they learned too much, which they inevitably would since they were so good at what they did.

>What's the significance of 2B actually being 2E

it means she's not just a battle android, she's an android tasked primarily with the execution of her fellow androids, specifically 9S models who are a bit too curious for their own good.

>What's the significance of 2B actually being 2E
Pic related

>since it was actively exploiting the backdoor to wipe it out and remake it anew
You need to reword your sentences properly since they imply something totally different. Like this one.
N2 exploited the backdoor which the Council or whoever programmed it hoped for. N2 doesn't re-create YoRHa but the Council (Or some other organization) after receiving the combat data.

Yoko Taro games make me want to drink and I can be bad about keeping up with subtitles.

He did nothing wrong.

>it's the "all actions are scripted" argument
I'm not saying you're wrong, but this would be extremely boring and would make talking about the game pointless except for literature references.

>This is akin to having competitors, god, whatever life parallel that drives people
Yes, believing that her peers needed this to survive is what I'm calling lack of trust.

Nier is a functional story, Automata isnt

wait for youre pod to sink underwater then call it back. try fishing in different spots, too

Real talk

Ignore the timeline wankery, that shit dosent matter and I'm almost 90% sure Taro laughs at people who take that shit seriously

the only thing that really matters is the games themselves and what theyre trying to do.

>it's the "all actions are scripted" argument
Explain further, I don't understand this argument since I never made this argument.

>Drakengard was at its best when it just didn't give a fuck and went overboard with the joke endings

Automata has as many endings as there are letters in the alphabet. If that's not over the top then I don't know what is.

Considering the "timeline" is basically Taro randomly picking which ever ending he fancies from the last game to justify the next one trying to follow it is pointless.

They aren't even real endings.

>Tragedy does not make a character interesting, tragedy does not automatically make a story interesting.
I happen to value stories of tragedy over any other kind, tyvm.

If you're then I didn't mean to quote you the first time but couldn't be bothered to delete when I noticed.
If not, then
>the behaviour of YoRHa including the Commander turning on the council is calculated

>N2's ego was born using the data on humans and the original of the Gestalt project, Nier
>N2
>Nier 2
>N2 is the embodiment of all machines
>Nier Automata

Is this correct?

comedies are cool

such a winning smile

Yes they are. They are put there to remind you of all the stupid decisions you decided to make throughout the coarse of the game.

>Nier = "Reject" in German
>Nier Gestalt = Rejecting the original (or being a replicant)
>Nier Automata = Rejecting being an automation


Basically N:A is the same underlying concept of the first game but within a new context.

This is precisely the point. Do we, outside of the game, have a purpose? Did our creator (if there even is one) give us a specific reason to exist?
The setting does not give you an answer on purpose. It's to make you experience the human's condition through the (fictional) android's condition.

2B actually already killer him many times. Even jsut after the prologue her reaction (clenching fists) shows that she's distressed by the situation, since she's developing affection for 9S.

Why is the game coarse? Does it irritate your skin? Are you exfoliating your skin with the game disk?

>Nier = "Reject" in German

Wat? If anything it's the word for "pure" spelled backwards.

>the behaviour of YoRHa including the Commander turning on the council is calculated
It's not even a "All actions are scripted" argument since it's what the files imply. It doesn't take away from the fact that despite the council expecting such a behavior they eventually couldnt keep them all in check, one part being YoRHa Androids having reached such an advanced evolutionary stage (9S for example or Commander handing him over the files before the wipe happened)

I just got ending A of his game yesterday.

Ohhhhhhh boy, and people thought 9s had issues

I may be wrong about it being German, but I recall Nier meaning "reject" in some shape or form

>Pascal's village being attacked
>accidentally run the wrong direction because still not well acquainted with the map
>game ends

Damn you, Yoko Taro.

>Nier = "Reject" in German
Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

I think you are mistaking it for the french word nier.

The machines that were severed from the network were closer to humans than any of the androids were.

French, there we go

means 'deny' in french desu

>youtube soccer mom tries philosophy.jpeg
Nier isnt reject in German by the way, what kind of turd writes something like that without being able to verify?

I want to feed 2B mackerel gently!

>What's the significance of 2B actually being 2E
She was forced to be an assassin of a boy she loved for 3 years.

>literally too deep for you

You ignored A2 telling you to stay and fight.

>barreling down on superficial mistake that dosent really change anything about what I said
>thinks what I said is even philosophy

its too early in the morning to fuck up this bad Sup Forums

Why do faggots always insert their romance head cannon into situations where no romance exists? You're a gay faggot, dude.

From a character purpose, 2B being 2E is just what her baggage has been throughout the game since her purpose is to kill the one person she loves. Its also why she pushes the emotions are prohibited goboldy gook so she doesn't get too attached.

Practically though it doesn't actually amount to anything in the game since the only times she ever "kills" 9S is at his request and she does everything in her power to not have to kill him, ultimately A2 chooses to save him after inheriting her will.