All memeing aside. Can video games really be art?

All memeing aside. Can video games really be art?

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>made for profit

>art

Pick one

no

See Bloodborne

This seems retarded.

Also culture.vg. Now shut your face.

this seems retarted

At this point who cares? Have you seem what some consider art? There's a guy right now literally shitting paint on canvas and that's called art. Someone in a museum right now is hanging a blank canvas since that's considered art. I can give more example but it's kinda bums me out to think what happened to the world of art.

Yes. Just look at modern """"""""""""""""""""""art""""""""""""""""""""""

Performative art, why not. Anything can be.

One thing is hilarious though, touting 'replayability' and 'different endings' as true, unique strengths of the medium. Literature already did it, and the movies have it as well - it's called twist.

Video Games are probably on the lowest tier of pop culture, even below comic books.

Reminder that video games were already the subject of an exhibit at MOMA:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_in_the_Museum_of_Modern_Art

Notice, however, that Tetris is there while Gone Home is not.

The problem is that most developers who want video games to be recognized as art are doing it all wrong. They're putting all the emphasis on the non-interactive elements and claiming that games should be considered art because of this. Sure, you could say an individual game is a work of art because its story is a work of art, or because its music is a work of art, or because its visuals are a work of art... or all three. However, if you can remove the interactive elements from a game without sacrificing any of what makes the game a work of art, then the game isn't doing anything for video games as a medium. If video games as a medium are to be considered an art form then it must be for the features that actually make them games. Developers need to strive for excellence in game design, rather than simply injecting gameplay mechanics into a pretentious short film.

If architecture is an art form, then it's not because architects like to hang paintings on the walls of the buildings they design. It's because the talented architect will bring a unique kind of excellence to the actual design of the building itself, and do things that cannot be done in any other form of art. The same should be true of video games if they are to achieve that same status.

If you think Tetris can't be art because it doesn't have a story, you're the kind of person who is preventing video games from being recognized as a distinct form of art. As long as you have your way, and story-driven games are put forth as the new art form, the video game will not be taken seriously because everyone will continue to think that a video game cannot achieve greatness without taking everything from film and doing it slightly worse.

what's actually hilarious is that you're simultaneously trying to get validation from the art establishment and at the same time present your favourite medium as something new that needs to be taken seriously.

It's always ponces that start these types of discussion and thank god true art (painting, scuplture) is safe from this nonsense. Tetris is a fucking brick laying game. Fat fucks that want to claim interaction needs to be validated as art do not realize this has already been debated in the 70s and since you can have women pissing blood on marble floor of jewenstein museum you might as well put a nip grinding simulator with sub-pulp tier writing in there.

by this definition programmers are true artists

>Pic
I see what you're doing motherfucker.

Yes vidya can be art, either through visuals or interactivity.

>art is meant to express the human condition
>greed is an aspect of the human condition
The word "art" is not a value judgment.

It is on a subconscious level.

>inb4 the faggot arrives

art is literally anything you proclaim it to be
so yes

Only if you're retard.

retarded*

Who do you mean? OuO

Die you degenerate Barneyfag
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Are you stupid?
A twist in a film or a book is always the same. What video games have over other mediums is player agency, interactivity.

HOW HARD IS IT FOR YOU FAGGOTS TO NOT SHILL YOUR SHITTY TODDLERS' SHOW

Plenty of the greatest arts were commissioned by rich people. You're talking shit.

told you so

About as hard as it is for you not to get triggered by said shitty toddler's show, apparently.

It's not the pony version Lee relax.

sure, but nearly all of them are childish garbage.

I'm not even kidding, I wish I could beat these faggot's fucking skulls in with my bare fists. But personally, I'd be happy with just slicing them up with a cleaver. They deserve it.

Nonsense, choose your adventure books have the same level of interactivity as a video game would have.

And movies can have multiple twists and turns. Multiple endings is just a smokescreen.

The fuck? Is it just a bot that uploads images to that booru to shitpost?

Fuck off there are no ponies in the pic Lee Goldson.

Yes, it is, you fucking retard. I can still see Rainbow Dash in the clouds at the top. This is why they all need to be executed, their lives revolve around shilling their shitty toddlers' show and nothing more. They're unfit for human society.

look at the image very, very carefully

You're twenty fucking posts too late.,

There's a edit that has ponies hidden in it. Op's is not the edit, Lee Goldson brother of Lucas Goldson jumped the gun.

Gee, I can only imagine seeing the cops shaking their heads at your level of patheticness should you actually commit to doing that. You'd probably get sent to the fucking mental ward, Lee.

Are is undefinable. Literally anything can be art.

I think P.T. was very artful. Shame it's dead forever.

THEIR SHIT'S NOT ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF CONTAINMENT AND IS BANNABLE UNDER RULE 15, I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE LIKE THIS.

Yes there is, retard.
>Applejack is on the right side of the rightmost gold plate (the gold paintings lining the bottom).
>Rarity is near the two men hold spheres. The man with the crown is looking at her. If you go straight up from AJ, you will find Rarity.
>Twilight is just behind the chalkboard on the ground in the bottom-right corner. The man with the compass is looking at her.
>On the right side, above both the sphere-holding men and the people looking at the chalkboard; there’s a man writing in a book. Fluttershy is looking over this man’s shoulder.
>Rainbow Dash is resting on a cloud in the top-center.
>Pinkie Pie is on the chalkboard being propped up by a woman on the bottom-left. If you don’t believe me, look up the original picture, and you will see that the spot Pinkie is in on this board is blank.

Kill yourself, you fucking degenerate
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I don't see shit Lee.

You guys are fucking stupid. If games are art developers can yell "muh artistic integrity" and leave shitty incomplete buggy messes as shitty incomplete buggy messes. If games are art than patching a game is no different from whst Lucas did with the Star Wars prequels.
>n-no b-because I disagree
lol ok, then how is it different?

Games are not art, they are software. As far as money is concerned they are software. You guys just want to have tour cake and eat it to. You call games art without any regard for the consequences and then you wonder why people are coming out of the woodworks to inject games with politics. Art is often political, if games are art then games will be political.

Don't like it shave your neckbeard and use your fucking head. Calling games art was a mistake, they aren't nor should they be. If games were ever regarded as high art it would be a gaming dark age with nothing but games like Gone Home.

Video games is in fact a form of art. Autist just love to meme the hell out of it

>low quality enough just so that RD is hard to make out
Stop trying to twist the narrative around.

Stop treating the word "art" like a value statement. It's a term like paper, video, website. Art can be shitty, stop being pretentious.

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>twist the narrative
Do you hear what you sound like, Lee?

Take your meds your seeing shit that isn't there.

It really is though.
Hang yourself if you're unenlightened to the truth.

Why can't they die

You're delusional.

It really isn't though. You need to get fucking glasses or some shit.

I guess the entire field of pop art isn't art then

You're delusional, faggot.

Yes it is, faggot

Then post a zoom of the image showing the exact area. Prove it to us.

You can't.

I wish all these faggots would die in a tragic accident

Why would it be tragic?

>Rule 15 doesn't allow it
I'm not falling for that trap.

Unless someone is willing to take it, it seems you're all just degenerates trying to do historical revisionism.

Like you don't know how to avoid bans.

You ban evade all the time though

Because then Barneyfag wouldn't have anything more to act this autistic about until he found a new fanbase worth this much attention. Maybe it's for the better, since he could actually go out and do something productive instead of self-moderating some anime imageboard for even the most well-disguised pony posts.
The burden of proof lies on the accuser. Post it faggot. We know you evade your bans anyway.

>Because then Barneyfag wouldn't have anything more to act this autistic about until he found a new fanbase worth this much attention.
No, I'd just fucking leave entirely.

>tfw i legitimately can't tell if it's people fucking with Lee, if it's people pretending to be lee fucking with himself, if it's people pretending to be Lee being fucked with by people who are being serious, or if it's just Lee replying to himself

And then in ten years, maybe, MAYBE, you'll realize how fucking retarded you were for sperging out this hard everytime posted a pony picture instead of just reporting and hiding it.

No you wouldn't obsession like yours doesn't just go away. You're broken, you need something to sperg about. That's why post pony images yourself.

There have already been several instances of video games being art though. Both story-wise and graphic-wise

These posts don't prove anything
for all we know you posted those yourself

the biggest one being yourself?

The mentally disabled are degenerates you know. You are exactly the same.

You do realize that most breakings of rule 15 these days are solely to mess with you and make you sperg out, right? I don't think it could be any more well known that global rule 15 is in full effect, and that's even without you getting triggered everytime a fucking pony gets posted.

Sometimes you don't even have to break rule 15.

The most famous classics were funded by rich patrons.

Because of how his script works and the fact that literally anyone can upload an image to derpibooru and here just to get the fucker to react?

yes, games can be art

but that doesn't make them good art

>He deleted his post
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A KEK!

No he probably got banned

Kill yourself, Barneyfag
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Aaaaaaand he's already evaded it.

Which shows how terrible those beings are.

The same ones keep getting posted all the time though, so it's pretty ineffective.

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No, video games are perceived too much to be children's toys and that stigma will never break unless we get some rich ass billionaires commissioning good videogames like the Renaissance

Not really.

More like it shows just how pathetic you are for responding to them. They wouldn't be doing that shit if you weren't so easily triggered by them. Seriously, if you stopped responding to them and just report and hide, you'd bet your ass they would stop posting it too eventually. But apparently you're too dumb to understand the simple logic of not feeding the troll.

No. When people see these children posturing around as legitimate athletes, they laugh. They react the same way when you people get so desperate to have some scrap of importance to your hobby.

So let me ask you this, if global rule 15 were removed, would you still be doing this?

I like that ceiling and would murder them for not wearing socks with their shoes.

yes

What did Lee mean by this?

Let me answer your question with a question.

Video games are "games" so if video games are art would board games (ie. Chess, checkers, etc) be art too?

Not really.

>More like it shows just how pathetic you are for responding to them.
Not really. Shilling a shitty toddlers' show just to get at one guy? Rethink yourself.

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Yes

if video games aren't art none of the mediums used to create it can be either, that includes writing,visual "arts" etc... most people dismiss it because they barely know anything about the medium.

I'm not even kidding, why won't these fuckers die

Because someone so easily triggered like you exists.

I want to watch mlp with you

I hate them all

NO.

Stop supporting the degenerates who shill their shitty toddlers' show. You're on your way to becoming as degenerate as they are.