So, can we all agree that Filianore, the "egg" and the final fight with Gael are pure fucking kino and that the DLC curbstomps everything, even The Old Hunters?
Don't get me wrong, Old Hunters is a masterpiece, probably even better than the lost crowns, but the ringed city is just a step above.
Nah.
>even The Old Hunters?
Not even close, and I really liked the ringed city
was all shit and a terrible "end" for the series
Nah, cause the old hunters actually felt like it added and gave more context to the original story of Bloodborne. Also you actually got to do something in the DLC, not just run for cover from extended ranged enemies, swamp areas or get one shot by bosses.
Nope. All I felt was "that's it?"
I mean cinematically sure
none of it made any sense though
The Old Hunters is only seen as amazing because the setting was such a nice change from vanilla Bloodborne. In addition, they combined 2 DLCs into one, and the limited amount of equipment in Bloodborne made the armor and weapon drops feel much better.
Dark Souls 3 on the other hand has 2 DLCs, the setting was already more diverse in the main game so adding new places isn't all that surprising, and more equipment drops feels more expected rather than interesting.
I loved the scenic views of the city. That area before the purple memetana nigger that has the dude duel wielding greatswords is lovely.
>they combined 2 DLCs into one
How was it two combined into one?
What didn't make sense?
Nips are really starting to piss me off with their meta narrative shit. MGS5, Nier, and now Dark Souls? Cmon now.
The Old Hunters was supposed to be 2 different DLCs
>you are just in my painting the whore time
>did u rike it?
cringed City is shit. b team sucks. fuck off leaf.
Its not even as good as a lore wise thing. And most certainly not that great gameplay wise. Anyone could tell the city was a fucking sham the second you see how bright it is then go down to the swamp and see shit is still terrible.
Gael also is barely a alright boss battle. He has a bloated life bar and phase 1 is just autistic levels of flailing. Phase 2 is Orphan like but at the same time boring as fuck.
When Gael flips around well firing the crossbow is really the only memorable part about it to me. But holy fuck otherwise hes forgettable as fuck with a bloated life pool just like Midir and the Prince.
>Nier
But Nier makes sense when you explain it and has very few plot holes. Dark Souls makes sense but has a shit ton of empty spots and questions never answered.
MGS is pure bullshit and unpredictable. People doing shit just because and tons of personal things coupled with political reasons as well. Its a really fucked series when Armstrong legitimately is one of your best villains logically when hes pretty stupid as well.
>areas full of shit that kills you from a distance if you don't know the safe route
>that staircase with 6 of the fatfucks on it
New Game+ing before trying the DLC was a mistake everything takes a god damn year to kill.
I love the new items though, lots of fun shit.
>meta
I don't think you know what that word means, because there is no meta narration in dark souls
>not buying ds3 until goty
>already have general info and headcannon for gael fight
Gameplay is the only reason I play Souls, lore is and always was stupid.
>dude gods
>dude dragons!
>DUDE SNAKES!
>DUDE CONVOLUTION OF TIME LOLOLOL
Not only is DaS3 the worse souls-type game , but the DLC is horrible.
>gameplay is the only reason I play
>i avoid playing it for multiple years
Lol.
TOH still has more good bosses in quantity. Maybe not better because that's opinion, but more good. Living Fucks were bad, but the whole demon prince fight was ass as well.
The first area of TRC is terrible because of drops you can't get back from, having to run through the first time, and realizing how lame some locations are without the angels.
Sorry, but The Old Hunters is the best thing From has ever made. The lore, the environments, the music, the new trick weapons, and of course the bosses are absolute top tier.
I don't think they'll ever top it.
>the tentacle fingers
>the slow whip
>the bic lighter hammer
>the seppuku mace
what a bunch of winners we got there
Stop pretending DS2 was even remotely better. It wasn't.
>the seppuku mace
If you don't think that weapon and it's combos are the shit out need to get your head checked.
Nah, when I got to the bottom of the ringed city staircase and 3 fatties came out of the swamp it sealed the DLC as trash.
>TOH
>all amazing and lore enriching bosses
>significant areas never before seen
>learning how everything began
>every single weapon is fun, viable, and add to the lore
>that intense atmosphere of mystery that keeps you on the edge of your seat
>level design is great and not tedious in the slightest
TRC is great but it still isn't anywhere near as amazing TOH as a whole package. Even if you add Ariandel.
All of those weapons are awesome. Even the seppuku mace is cooler than 90% of the weapons in the other games. Trick weapons are just better.
>wahh the game poses a challenge this sucks
Running up to the staircase to instant kill plunging attack the harald knights is not challenging whatsoever, it's just a tedious waste of time.
How can it be the worst when EVERYTHING in it except world design is better than in 1?
Objectively speaking, worst souls is DaS.
i agree that das3 is the best, but das2 is certainly the worst
DaS3 is indeed the best, but DaS2 is equal to DaS, since it does some things better and some things worse.
>unforgettable soundtrack
>tragic backstory
>gory twist during second stage
Was he, dare I say it, The Pinaclr fromsoft boss?
>unforgettable soundtrack
I forgot it entirely
He takes like 2-3 minutes to kill. Why do you retards go on and on about life bars? Are you so ADHD a 2-3 minute fight seems unbearable to you? Not to mention the gael fight has 3 distinct phases illustrating how he is slowly being consumed by the blood of the dark soul. The way it escalates to a full blown lightning storm is fucking awesome and you're a plebeian & deserve violent castration.
the dlc makes no sense at all, why is the world a desert in the end?
Because when we broke the egg time caught up to the illusion Filianore was maintaining by sleeping. The egg represents the "walls" surrounding the ringed city, you can even see that the crack in the egg is the same as the crack in the "wall".
In the cutscene when we break the egg, there's a flash of light and Filianore is hollow and dead, time caught up to the ringed city, it's the end of the age of fire, nothing is left and the only buildings we see are Anor Londo and Lothric's Castle who were just built on high spots.
This was the pretty obvious part user.
Is DaS3 shorter than 1 or is it just me?
TOH and TRC are on pretty much the same level but i liked Ringed City way more than Hamlet.
Ludwig is still the single most hype moment in souls games, though fighting another literally who just like you at the future of the world's future was an awesome concept, and Gael going from a mindless hollow running like a beast to a being that could probably steamroll prime Gwyn was absolutely awesome, especially with OST changing during both of his power ups.
You're just much better at these games. DaS1 is the shortest.
I'm 100% sure DaS3 is shorter.
>Kino
You've memed too hard and fooled yourself, OP.
The Ringed City was trash. The Gael fight was the only decent thing in it, and it was just another Artorias clone.
No, just for the sake of Old Hunters having a more coherent story that also gives backstory to Gehrman and Doll.
I get to teh end of Ringed City and I'm not quite sure why this is happening or what. I just know Gael is trying to get a painting finished, but so what?
How is that true when the dragon armor you fight in a swamp says that it's found in the future?
The main thing about TRC is a reveal about the nature of darksign which is huge for souls lore, arguably as important as Orphan and mother Kos curse for Bloodborne if not even more.
Gael is just another undead like you with his own mission he tried to accomplish at his best. He's there to show you what happens when undead get high on dark soul and literally claws out the fire ring curse from his own chest.
Nah, DaS is way way shorter. DaS3 has way more hidden stuff, and level themselves are way less linear.
You probably think DaS3 is shorter because you got good at the games and/or you didn't take your time to explore everything.
>The Ringed City was trash
Visuals are god tier, level design is god tier, lore is god tier, weapons are god tier, Lapp is god tier.
>and it was just another Artorias clone.
What? Gael has absolutely nothing in common with Artorias gameplay wise, he just got corrupted like Artorias, and not even by the same thing. Also, "another". I don't remember a single clone of Artorias, not even something that's even remotely similar.
>nothing like artorias
>big sword sliding around and doing flips
Okay, apologist.
And the visuals were utter shit, you're fucking delusional.
It has to be. It takes less than 2 hours to run through NG+ in Dark Souls 3, I'm pretty sure I couldnt get under 2 hours in Dark Souls 1 (never tried to just run through the bosses though).
The Ringed City is pure DS2 quality trash and I can't even fathom the fucking mental gymnastics you have to go through to convince yourself otherwise. It is a condensed version of evey single thing people disliked in Souls. Linearity, grouped up enemies everywhere, utterly uninspired bosses, reused shit from Demon's and Dark Souls. It's typical Tanimura garbage.
>I just know Gael is trying to get a painting finished, but so what?
What do you mean so what? The age of fire ended, there's nothing left except ash. Gael spent god knows how much time slaying pigmy kings to eat them, and he knew it would corrupt him and he wouldn't be able to deliver the pigment to the girl. So he left us messages, hoping that we can kill him and give the blood to the girl so she can paint a world in your name.
World is kill, but you get to have a happy ending in a painting.
Gael was a literally who undead, who sacrificed himself so at least 2 people can live in a nice place for some time (until the painting starts to rot), he was a real human bean, and a real hero.
>Gael was a literally who undead, who sacrificed himself so at least 2 people can live in a nice place for some time (until the painting starts to rot), he was a real human bean, and a real hero.
For me it seems that quality of pigment will decide how good the painting is. Pretty sure previous ones weren't created with a blood of dark soul. Ariandel was restored from Ariamis with Ariandel's own blood for example. So future painting can have all chances to last if not for eternity, then for a good deal longer than previous two.
All the Dark Souls DLC was garbage, the only redeeming features is that some of the boss weapons are neat.
This. Also the enemies are so fucking boring. The murkmen, fat headless knights, the monkey and turtle hollows are all fucking shit. The only cool enemies are the ringed knights and the grasshoppers. Ashes of Ariandel had way better enemies.
Because dreg heap is in the future (even tho time is fucked like never before, you see the idea), since you access it from the kiln of the first flame, which shows an even more advanced state of chaos than lothric's kingdom.
In the game the transitory lands of the lords of cinder converge, when you get the 5 cinders, you access the kiln, and you see that we're way past the transitory state, everything is collapsing on itself. Then we get to the dreg heap, which is "at world's end", and it's even more fucked than the kiln.
You get the idea, different states of future, but the way I see it, in the end it's a mix between Inception and Interstellar, where you access a location which you access from a location which you access from a location, and the deeper you go, the more time becomes relative/irrelevant (like in Interstellar where the singularity slows time).
And Gael has been eating pigmies for a shitload of time, so it can't be the past nor the present.
>nothing like artorias
>big sword sliding around and doing flips
>Okay, apologist.
>if someone swings a sword and does flips, he's an artorias clone
Are you retarded or are you just buttblasted AotA got curbstomped in every way by lost crowns, old hunters and ringed city?
>And the visuals were utter shit
Pic related is fucking shit according to you, this is fucked user. I haven't seen a single person that doesn't think visuals aren't 10/10 in the DLC, not even autistic haters.
>10/10 visuals
>literally a piss yellow version of something they've done before
Stop memeing and make an actual argument.
>Shit that
>Shit that
>WHAA HE HAS A SWORD, FUCKIN ARTORIAS CLONE
I bet you think DaS2 is the best DaS game
That's not an argument.
"It's a recolored version of art design they've already used" is, however.
But I wouldn't expect quality arguments from people who like this DLC.
Dark Souls 2 is also shit.
How does that compare to finding Orphan and seeing what kicked things off in the first place? There's no comparison.
Because we learn of the dark soul, one of the four souls of power, and with the DLC, we now have 2 ways of breaking the cycle.
>you find the dark souls
>the game is literally called dark souls
>muh how does that even compare to an NPC's background story
Ps4 fags on damage control
>The main thing about TRC is a reveal about the nature of darksign
What? But it didn't reveal anything about that?
>Old Hunters is a masterpiece, probably even better than the lost crowns
Is this some kind of bait? This whole post is just all kinds of wrong
>probably even better
doesn't cut it, it is better
it's far fucking better and no, the Ringed City is not as good as Old Hunters
the only good thing, the only true revelation in that whole DLC is fucking PATCHES
I don't normally do tier lists but I'm going to rank my enjoyment in them, this is everything considered
Old Hunters > Artorias of the Abyss
I can easily say Old Hunters is better than Artorias of the Abyss but not by a massive amount
For the next set of rankings, there are big gaps in quality, I'll do that by adding more >>>
Ringed City >>>> Ashes of Ariendel > Sunken King = Old Iron King >>> Ivory King
There's leaps and bounds of quality
Ringed City was just annoying with all the hide and seek gimmicks, the area design wasn't amazing
People praise the Gael's fight but the main problem here falls into Dark Souls III as a whole, I use dodging as a primary mechanic, I don't use shields and you roll too slow to avoid most enemy slash and scream combos so it looks like you just spam it
He swings multiple times in a row, sometimes too fast to roll again and this only gets worse when his cape can hit you
Ashes of Ariendel was incredibly bland and the only redeeming feature was the stinky crow village and the revelation (though we all knew it) was that it's the Painted World from the first game, the bosses weren't that great
Sunken and Iron are on the same level for me, I enjoyed the exploration and secrets scattered through the areas
Vertical exploration is something I enjoy and I like seeing where I started to where I end up and I like the feeling of going deeper or higher, the bosses weren't amazing (yes, that includes Raime but marginally better than other bosses I'll agree) cont...
Iron had more enemy set ups that were annoying, such as Mauldron running into the dark spiral areas with all the archers and projectiles
Ivory had 1 cool boss but it was overshadowed by everything else, the intro to the boss song is actually pretty cool but other than that, I remember getting pretty pissed with the areas because they were not fun to traverse, especially deer rape glacier and 2kat
I understand now that all those optional areas were actually supposed to be done co-op and I did them solo but the point is that they were pretty shitty, Sunken's (with the exception of Gank Squad) was fun because it was petrifying spitting statues, I like traps like that
Iron's was a ballache because of the multiple paths and the timing necessary to get through the gates (which I've already covered, is supposed to be done co-op)
Over all, they're rated based on how annoying they felt
Gimmick mobs were annoying
Sunken had enemies with practically infinite poise as common enemies (I used the great lance), Iron had the little goat guys who explode, Ivory had projectiles everywhere
Ashes had the screaming fire trees, exploding archers on branches, exploding archers and big dudes at once (this involved luring targets away, though there's a glitch on a corner which makes enemies despawn to their last location and back once you cross the line again)
Ringed had that giant guy who kept summoning and was only made worse by the fact he respawned, the "angels" and most enemies just kept swinging their weapon around
All DLCs (Includiing OH and AoA) don't feel balanced for NG+ unless you're super high level as normal mobs take lots of hits to die
That's pretty much it
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>and the revelation (though we all knew it) was that it's the Painted World from the first game
Where hte fuck do you guys get THIS?
the part where you go to Priscilla's room? The underhalls of the Ariendel Chapel is the same lay out as the sewer bit in the Painted World
The statue that spins around
They didn't just excavate the statue because they liked it and dumped it into another painting
Did you not explore or something?
Sounds coincidental to me man
The worst thing about the Ringed City is the Old Monk Redux.
Invading as a boss is cool but there's literally nothing you can do with a 4v1 gank squad that everyone tries to bring. They don't buff you nearly enough for it.
2v1 is fair though, because you sometimes get that NPC helper.
Old Hunters is far and away my favorite DLC and probably my favorite of any game ever but god damn the difficulty of it was brutal
I did it on like NG+5 blind and was a lowish SL and my main nigga Ludwig fucking raped me for a week straight before I finally got good.
Better than rollspam :3
>The main thing about TRC is a reveal about the nature of darksign which is huge for souls lore
Humanity is the Dark Soul. We've known this since the first game. So what's the reveal?
>Visuals are god tier
Some of the vistas look nice, but the interiors all have that same bland no-lighting look that the main game suffered from.
>level design is god tier
>running from cover to cover to avoid angel lasers
>running from cover to cover to avoid archers
>running ahead to kill turtle clerics who hit you through walls
>running straight through dragon fire
>TWO new swamps
Yeah nah. Souls is best when it's slow, methodical exploration that rewards patience and planning. TRC is all about running.
>lore is god tier
The story of DaS3 was irredeemable. What's worse is that it retcons DaS1. Gwyn and the pygmy were bros now? Gwyn had ANOTHER secret bastard child?
>weapons are god tier
They're all weapons from the base game with a different WA. The dual greatswords are broken as fuck. There's barely any dex weapons (even the new katana is just an old katana with a new WA).
>Lapp is god tier
And le epic Dark Souls to you too
*praises le sun*
Fuck off. Tanimura made the DaS2 DLC, which was excellent and on-par with the best bits of DaS1. The man responsible for the base game of DaS2 was Shibuya.
yeah totally man
The fact that gods are the one responsible for Darksign as it effectively acts like a seal for human's development and control over Abyss.
It doesn't really make sense.
Like most of the dumbshit "lore" in Dark Souls.
Sure it has similar constructs and shit, but why? Considering the positions of things it can't be the exact same world, really. At best, it's a new painting that was based on the old one, but so little of it makes any sense that way, too.
It's likely just a remnant from the the previous Painted World of Ariamis.
>DaS2 DLC, which was excellent
>it's a new painting that was based on the old one
This is what I thought too. That they painted over the existing painting so that's why that part remains there whereas everything else feels different. However, that part is definitely the arena you could fight Priscilla in. They even put pyromancer gear in the exact same spot just to hammer it home.
It makes me wonder if the Painted World of Ash would carry over elements of Ariandel
We'll never see it though
I honestly don't get the love for old hunter bosses, ludwig was a pain in the ass and that giant jump is the biggest camera fuck you in any game maria's not special for a boss, orphan is pretty goat though
yfw you were meant to pick up the dark soul at Filianore and take it to loli and make Painted World of Ash (gael area) but scamco made them split the DLC into 2
I really love the lore. It's parallel to the mystery and pain of real life.
Ds2 was the best in the series
His moans are pretty memorable.
This is a cute pic. I like it.
anyone else really put off by Gael's animations?
they just feel so stiff and weird
Why do people still pretend that Gael was nothing like artorias?
>tall man wearing plate armour with cloth over it hunched over to look more bestial
>has huge greatsword but only holds it in one hand while the other hand mainly hangs limp
>all sweeping attacks go too far and he stumbles slightly
>first phase has a jumping attack where he jumps up slightly then suddenly charges forward in mid air
>repeated crazy growls and explosion as he powers up with dark magic
>gains repeated forward flip attack in second phase
>over the top double spin attack
It's not like they tried to hide it, they both threw the dead body of a Dark corrupted creature at the camera. Also they are both obviously based on Guts, Artorias in the berzerker armour but Gael with the repeating crossbow (+blood magic with Lady Maria moveset because Dark Souls III has no original content).
I'm not saying they're entirely the same but if you can't see the parallels then you must be pretty delusional.
I'd also go as far as to say that almost everything that Gael has that Artorias doesn't isn't really a threat in the fight
>lightning, repeating crossbow, corona (lol), dark orbs, sword impale grab attack
except for the cape hit. Which is pretty fucking cool.
I agree fellow PCbro. Fuck shitborne! 30fps unplayable garbage desu
why did the goddess girl turn ugly when i touched her egg. is she a man?
People unironically like DS2, you know that right?
I don't think it was the best but in the grand scheme of things it's way better than people remember.
Its flaws are so well defined that people never forget them, but people immediately forget the shitty backstabs and four direction rolls in DS1 and fucking infinite invincibility rolling in DS3.
Yeah it is fucked but they all are.
lmao last giant and anything but complete trash.
lmao dark souls III and anything but pretenious trash
She's not a goddess, she's a princess. She's a slumbering princess that keeps the world together as she sleeps. Touching the egg wakes her up, and it fucks up the world. Think of Azathoth. When he wakes up everything goes to shit, and that's what happens when you wake up Filianore.
No
TOH > TRC > AoTA > Lost Crowns = AoA
So that was it? No more DaS4?
I did not understand that part, what happened to Filianore and the egg what were all those, I'm lost.
Originally they were doing two Bloodborne DLCs but Miyazaki wanted more time to make Dark Souls 3 actually release on time so he asked Sony if they could just do one DLC instead, which they allowed. The Old Hunters would originally have ended on the fight with Maria and the second DLC would be about the Fishing Hamlet, but when they decided to rework it into one DLC they had most of the first one done and then combined the finished parts of the second DLC into one entire finished zone and added it to the first one. It was so expensive compared to their other DLCs because Sony gave them the money to make two and only ended up having one to sell so they needed to sell it for more. That guy in the cell after Ludwig who just bangs his head against the wall until he dies was going to be an important character in the second DLC but since most of what was planned didn't make the final cut of the Fishing Hamlet and they already finished all his assets they included him and his armour anyway.