>The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.
About 'sales doesn't mean actual quality'? Yes. About 'Beatles aren't the best'? Yes.
Dominic Gray
>Stop liking things I don't
Joseph Edwards
>it's an X was actually more influential in the era before Y therefore that means Y actually wasn't influential within its era episode Why do people get away with making a living from being professional autists?
Gabriel Cruz
Yes, rockfags are just as bad as the animetards that believe Cowboy Bebop and DBZ are the best of anime because they saw them on Toonami once or twice or the guys that claim to love Street Fighter III, but then have the nerve to shit on other games for being unbalanced
Jonathan Price
Wait, did Christgau actually say that? I thought it was just some Sup Forums pasta.
Hunter Edwards
They didn't s>The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way)
only retards believe this is why the Beatles are so highly regarded
Angel Barnes
Scaruffi is so far up his own ass he hasn't seen daylight in thirty years
>worthless old fuck that just talks all day and has never produced anything of value thinks he's a music expert news at eleven. This guy is basically the Sup Forums equivalent of RedLetterMedia or the NostalgiaCritic.
Even Razorfist is somehow a better music critic at least that faggot has made songs and PLAYS VIDEO GAMES.
Isaiah Peterson
why are you even here?
Connor Roberts
Enjoy some examples of this autistic hack's "art" on his geocities page that was designed by a third-grade special-ed student.
I used to think it was le superior intelligent adults that criticized the works of others, but I guess it really IS just failed art school dropouts.
To be fair, how good at something personally do you have to be in order to be a critic of it, though?
Adrian Flores
>being a good creator and being a good critic is somehow the same thing
you do realize how this is a retarded way of thinking, right? you bet your ass that the best food critics out there can't cook like gordon ramsay and stanley kubrick isn't a better film critic than ebert.
you sound like those people on newgrounds who respond to any and all criticism with "I'd like to see you do better".
Jason Flores
He does like some great music (it's worth reading his best of lists to find some good stuff), but he doesn't seem to understand that not all music has to be a complete work of art to be lauded for what it is.
He's a massive, massive elitist who often justifies his opinions really poorly. I think he is actually autistic, he says and does some very strange things.
Gavin Jones
>most famous or richest or
Opinion disregarded
Josiah Turner
I didn't get that impression at all from his post, I think you're jumping to conclusions a bit there.
Leo Campbell
Video games
David Allen
>how good at something personally do you have to be in order to be a critic of it
Not very. You need to understand the fundamentals of the medium to begin with, and from there you need to build upon that knowledge until you have thorough understanding. What's good, what isn't, and why.
I know fuck all about programming, but I can easily tell you why Superman 64 or Bubsy are shit games.
William Gonzalez
Who is this handsome indivual?
Jose Brown
You have to back yourself up very strongly to have a valid argument as to why e.g. Super Mario 64 is a shit game, which he's basically doing (badly) in the OP quote.
Dominic Ward
I just find it hilarious when these people that contribute nothing to society somehow delude themselves into thinking they're of worth because they make reviews, but then attempt their own work and it's equally awful, if not worse. Exactly why I used the RLM/NC example. I like plenty of harsh critics as long as they're entertaining in their own right and never try to actually make anything shitty that field they claim to be an expert in. It would be like Sup Forums trying to make a video game it ends up being awful indie pixelshit. They might as well have not even bothered at that point.
Colton Jenkins
>FOOD ANALOGY
Hudson Gomez
David Bowie turned marketing into the essence of his art. All great phenomena of popular music, from Elvis Presley to the Beatles, had been, first and foremost, marketing phenomena (just like Coca Cola and Barbie before them); however, Bowie turned that into an art of its own. With Bowie the science of marketing becomes art; art and marketing become one. There were intellectuals who had proclaimed this theory in rebellious terms. Bowie was, in many ways, the heir, no matter how perverted, of Andy Warhol's pop art and of the underground culture of the 1960s. He adopted some of the most blaspheme issues and turned them upside down to make them precisely what they had been designed to fight: a commodity.
Bowie was a protagonist of his times, although a poor musician: to say that Bowie is a musician is like saying that Nero was a harp player (a fact that is technically true, but misleading). Bowie embodies the quintessence of artificial art, raises futulity to paradigm, focuses on the phenomenon rather than the content, makes irrelevant the relevant, and, thus, is the epitome of everything that went wrong with rock music.
Also he thinks that Captain Beefheart is the greatest rock singer of all time
Ryan Martinez
Captain Beefheart is great from an artistic perspective but not from a... listening perspective. He only appreciates music for its artistic value. Saying Don Van Vliet is the great rock singer of all time is just blatantly wrong.
Brandon Adams
bowie wasn't fucking rock he was pop
Adrian Morgan
That's the issue. This guy isn't even a good critic. It's like going "hurr durr, Forrest Gump is a bad movie because a lot of people know about it and misattribute things from other films to it" while not even explaining the faults of the film itself.
Nicholas Phillips
How deluded are you? Bowie was fucking punk, you bitch ass nigger.
> they barely know the best sellers best selling album of all time is the eagles greatest hits, the eagles are considered rock music. checkmate atheists
Gabriel Rivera
Just saying something dumb isn't trolling, user.
Hudson Long
Oh he is right about everything. At least in painting overlooked people are recognized non stop and brought to the spotlight. All oh these popular painters today dont mean shit and will be forgotten,the market itself filters and good painting will surface eventually. This is not the case for other media.
Dominic Jackson
>make a work pandering to artfags >get critical acclaim >sell basically no copies
>make a work that is actually what you find interesting >get panned by artfags >achieve more sales than you would have making incomprehensible fedorashit
Wow tough choice. Be right back, renaming all of the characters in my book after demons in the Ars Goetia now so I can look deep and mysterious without actually having to put any real effort into the story. Who wants to read about Joe and Bob's jobs as janitors that become indebted to the mafia when they could read the story of Barbatos and Amon's jobs as janitors that become indebted to the mafia? That oughta net me some style points!
Connor Gray
So, you admit that you saying Bowie was pop has as much validity as me saying he was punk? Because despite making some incredible pop rock albums, with most of his classic works Bowie concentrated heavily on guitar sound that was in no way similar to pop guitars. He even dabbled in the progressive rock, before heading into straight soul/pop in the 80s, after his best work.
Leo Martinez
Quite a bit of the early Spiders stuff (Width of a Circle being the most notable example) is pretty much just period hard rock, anyway. Bowie, Ronson and Bolder were listening to lots of Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple at that stage, unsurprisingly.
Connor Smith
No, because Bowie never did anything classifiable as punk.
Leo Harris
>post Scaruffi quote >append image of Christgau Multi-layered bait. Nice.
Henry Gomez
Christgau is even worse. He panned King Crimson and called their debut (which is like 11/10 all day any day) "ersatz shit", while praising fucking Jackson 5.
Boy do the haters get busy on this 16-year-old. But scrutinize the "superman" matter (look it up) and you'll see that even if he thought he was sneaking something outlandishly filthy onto a pop record, his fans thought he was inventing a dance that involved flying, thus furthering the presumption of innocence so crucial to his cute. Unlike his crunk forebears, he's not into pimping or dealing or even strip clubs--"Booty Meat" is as explicit as his carnality gets, and not only is he looking not touching, he's hoping an amateur will "turn around just like a pro." He's still boy enough to worry about those F's, and the most winning of his many winning songs was written to, and on, his Sidekick 3. There are enough sonic strokes here to keep the wrong bizzer in ringtone rappers for a year. But Soulja Boy's spiritual secret is that with less subcultural support than, say, Be Your Own Pet, he's reached the top of his world on a few tips from ex-partner Young Kwon and the loyalty of human sidekick Arab. You can hear how tickled he is about it. A-
Nolan Brown
The only review I know of Christgau's (and only because someone posted it on Sup Forums) is one where he criticised ELP's rendition of Pictures At An Exhibition because you couldn't dance to it. It's astonishing how much he missed the point.
Hudson Scott
Is this some unknown type of 1337 speak? The text is too dense to get through even a few sentences, and I don't mean that as a compliment.
Austin Clark
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Anthony King
Soulja Boy is totally /ourguy,/ though. >made a rap about anime >showed off his Japanese advance copy of Guilty Gear Overture in his Xbox video and didn't puss out about power levels like neo Sup Forums would
Joshua Hernandez
What makes this fag's opinion more valid than any random shitposter on metalarchives?
Hudson Russell
It doesn't, but he's highly respected in "certain circles" (Sup Forums mainly)
Easton Martin
>VIDEO GAMES
Tyler Thomas
He's basically a one-man shitshow, and he doesn't know shit about anything beyond his very classic slow pop/guitar blues sensibilities. He famously hated on Black Sabbath for being "well-known cheap satanism", despite them being generally the first band beyond LZ to incorporate mysticism into their personae. He also didn't understand the music at all and didn't talk about it. I don't think I'm the one with autism when a professional music critic writes shit like "furthering the presumption of innocence so crucial to his cute".
James Robinson
I mean, "it isn't"
I'm calling him autistic.
Carter Roberts
Is he /our guy/?
William Ortiz
>Christgau >respected on Sup Forums lmao
Scaruffi has some decent recommendations, but even then he's mostly mentioned only for the memes
Zachary Davis
It seemed at least 50/50 to me when I was there years ago, but Sup Forums is on a whole other level of ironic shitposting
Jose White
>I'm sixteen and my musical taste is superior tweet pack
Zachary Howard
>stanley kubrick isn't a better film critic than ebert. Yeah, he is. He watched tons of movies and made some of the best movies of all time.
Elijah Perez
This, Sup Forums is now Sup Forums. >dadrock is just manime >Taylor Swift is Flavor of the month SoL
Gabriel Harris
>guy rates Trout Mask Replica as the best album ever made >gave Blackstar a 2 out of 10
Yeah sure.
Bentley Ortiz
Why are moe posters always so fucking stupid?
Connor James
>democracy >capitalism Two mutually exclusive things Scaruffi is a talentless liberal fascist apologetic hack
