Was Gwyn the most interesting and best developed character in the Souls series?

Was Gwyn the most interesting and best developed character in the Souls series?

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no

no

That's not saying much when most characters can be wholly explained with two words
>*mumbles gibberish*

Nah

no it was vendrick :^)

Thats not the wolf qt from bloodborne

Yes

Typical Dark Souls description box:

"Lord of Cinder, Gwyn is a master of fire. He was truly great at mastering fire. He was really good at handling flame."

>hey I'm basically zeus but in the soul series
no

Is Gwyn /fa/?

It really is Vendrick.

Yet again, DS2 wins again.

No, its pyromancer bro in 1.

>he is a dad and he throws lightning
>must be Zeus

Maybe if he had shagged Gaping Dragon or the ash lake hydra, but as is nah.

>by the time the last DLC of dark souls 3 came out you're tripping over his sons and daughters throughout the three games
>total dick to mortals
Sounds like Zeus to me.

na

hell yeah

Seigmeyer

turns out that doing everything for someone, like in a typical RPG, isn't always the best thing you can do for them

>not Solaire
Uhhh....?
Do you even praise the sun, bro?!

Nah. Great character, great design, God-tier boss fight.

But certainly not the most interesting or well-developed.

Doing nothing for him just makes him die anyways.
Its just like every sidequest in the souls series where your actions never really mattered to begin with outside of maybe changing the area in which said character dies at.

XD PRAISE IT BRO! SUNNY D

totally fleshed out and developed story if there ever was one.

Prince Ariona Allant
Rip in peace

but thats not Velka you fucking faggot

>what is reading comprehension

>Doing nothing for him just makes him die anyways.

To save him you have to not open the gates to Sen's.

I don't like DS2 overall, but I would have to say that Aldia is

He was smart enough to obtain some kind of immortality and toys with the philosophy behind linking the flame. I'd be interested to see what his ending in DS2 entailed, but he was kinda stuck in a mediocre game

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>Souls
>developed characters

Pick one

>tfw that's actually possible

guy taught demons, dragons, snakes and chimaera's on how to use lightning magic, so yeah he's pretty interesting and somehow the most developed character even though we know so little about him

funny thing is he's actually a master of light magic, he just found "fire"

I still like 2 better than 3.

>fucks over humanity because he doesn't want to be overthrone
>threw over the former power to become head god (gwyn, dragons, zeus titans)
>has a shit ton of kids and unfaithful as fuck
>just a general dick back
>had a son who had many major faults but was a pearless warrior and many looked up to him (hercules)
>throws lightning

it's Zeus

You can save the thief in DS3 for one, if you don't keep sending him in. Also the priestess girl, the pyromancer and the witch. And of course Patches and Lapp, the cheeky faggot
Not to mention all those guys from DS2.
DS1 is really fucking guilty of this, though. I don't think anyone but Patches and Andre make it. And the Firekeeper, if you get her back.

Imo it's the undead champ of DS1. It's the best everything but combat of the series.

nah it's Patches

expecially after his final farewell in the DS3 dlc

Fuck Gwyn, Vendrick for life

This. For a huge tree-like blob of whatever the fuck he was, Aldia's whole character is pretty decent given his role in the plot.

Did Gwyn, Nito, and the Witches exist before the age of fire? Was Gwyn already a King before their uprising?

Does it matter? What is most developed for Souls anyway, a whopping 2 sentences about him told through generic trash items rather than 1?

plus he lived in a fucking hallway

He's just Miyazaki's self-insert.

؜>some old man dude that did some fire thing or something i dont know no one really knows lol because the terms are all arbitrary and nothing really means anything but this guy is like at the top of meaninglessness so cool

nah
shit character

>fucks over humanity because he's afraid of the abyss
>threw over the former power even though that cinematic is a canon lie
>shit ton of kids, has 4
>dick, he goes beyond a dick and manipulates every creature in the world
>his son only had sex with a dragon

he lived in the connected bonfires user

>explain the story to them baka

>threw over the former power even though that cinematic is a canon lie
he really did kill the dragons anyway

>discuss philosophy with one of the millions of zombies
BEST CHARACTER HANDS DOWN

Vendrick is based as fuck too

I mean he must be really bored as an immortal

not to mention few people make it as far as you do

and he only really starts rambling about "a lie will remain a lie" later in the game

Considering they found the First Flame and used it to kill the dragons and start the age of fire: Probably.

On my first playthrough of 2, can you get Vendrick's armor?

damn, can't disagree

you can save solaire as well

You can only get his crown, I believe.

Yes.

I wanted to cry when I realized that was truly the final time that bastard was going to kick me off a ledge.

No you can get the entire set, really nice looking shield and sword too.

Yeah, you get Vendrick's armor. You have to kill him and find it in the Shrine of Amana though. Why the shrine? Lore reasons

REEEEEEEE
His armor looks so good

He's not wrong you know

And at least you can actually talk to him

He will show up in the next spin-off series like he did in Bloodborne.

I liked this based double nigger since the first playthrough

Patches is so fucking lame. His gimmick was cool in DS1, but that was it.

Oh well nevermind then. Cool

You mean in DeS, right?

dark souls babby pls go

It was better in DeS.
>yfw you realize he hates clerics in DaS because the clerics in DeS told him to fuck off for being a dick

I've wondered about that too but I'm guessing they all either existed before that or came into being roughly the same time.

I'm also confused as to the disconnect between nito/death and undead/the curse.

I was always a little confused on who is human and who is a "god". Were Gwyn's knights human? Like, the army we see behind him in the opening cinematic, all the silver/black knights we fight. Or are they gods, like his children? It always seemed a bit vague to me.

>threw over the former power even though that cinematic is a canon lie
Not a lorefag here
What makes the opening cinematic not canon? I have 2000+ hours in this series and still don't know the story. I'm going "literally who" at the names in this thread.

yeah the witch of izalith was the one that "mastered" the fire try harder faggot

I've always thought of them as living pieces of armor. Could be wrong though.

everyone used to be little Pygmy shits, then four of those Pygmy shits found the fire and each took a different piece of it and it changed them into what they are.

Thinking back on it I remember some items implying that there were people before the age of fire such as those blackened witch robes guarded by ceaseless discharge.

Also I want to say that the tomb of the Giants and perhaps that weird skull you find on the beaches of the lake are all from the age of stone or a result of the end of it.

>Why the shrine? Lore reasons
so why do we find it on a tiny chair that Vendrick would never be able to sit on?

It is very vague, very little in the DS series is actually explained.
It's fun to try to fit some of the pieces together and lore build with other anons for the first couple of weeks after a release but I don't understand the people that are obsessed with DS lore constantly.

The parts that we do know are pretty interesting though.

He got bigger after consuming giant's souls

my DS2 fanboy friend told me he hid his soul there because Nashandra wouldn't be able to get to it (the area with it requires you to be human)

What? It's in a chest

the undead curse is basically light magic since in dark souls light = time
darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Repair
when you die you and everyone else continue to be repaired by the bonfires, some confuse it as everything being in a cycle when it's just timewarping back to the past forever

Is Ciaran the worlds shortest giant?

His soul is on the chair, his armor next to it.
What this user said; He practically cucked Nashandra.

>His soul is on the chair
the tiny chair

Although I guess it matches his laughably drab throneroom

Gods are basically humanoids with souls as strong as thousands of souls, in their age they took the souls of their fallen comrades for their own.
Most human beings have weaker souls like worth 60 of em

that's a pretty big jump in logic from one spell description.

I think the truth is that the studio has very little in lore actually panned out, just connect games with major themes, put in random snippets of information, and bullshits a lot of stuff.

i unironically agree

I think that's a pretty apt description

welcome to every work of fiction user

Nah, Vendrick's life was far more interesting and tragic. He had to lock his own brother away, sacrificed everything to try and find another way to endure without resorting to the Fire, and was so beloved by his men that they stayed in the crypt and slowly hollowed just to make sure their kings rest was not disturbed.

I'm genuinely upset we never got to see or hear about him again in 3.

You get swole if you absorb a lot of souls.

>But why doesn't the player character get huge?
The fuck do I know.

Sulyvahn for amount of directly he's stated in descriptions

vendrick was more dramatic and ultimately a coward
gwyn created the rules of the world and sacrificed himself for all eternity

because the pc is a different race than the gods

cowardice is natural

You are given the abilty to chose a voice actor for Gwyn during the boss fight, who would you chose?

Richard Doyle

Perfect.

memes

I don't get it