Which Kingdom Hearts has the best writing?

Which Kingdom Hearts has the best writing?

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1. By a fucking MILE.

First one

Chain of Memories.

>KH
>good writing
pick one.

CoM, at least when it comes to dialogue. Too bad Re: CoM makes the script worse.

Unironically speaking, if Birth by Sleep had a better voice cast and didn't fall victim to the technical trappings of the series as a whole (empty worlds, psp graphics, etc) it would be the best one hands down.

It's the only game in the series with tragic undertones, and hole fuck did Leonard Nemoy ham it up and ace it with every line.

I mean cmon, Terra vs Eraqus could have been some crasy Shakespearean shit if the game wasnt made for a psp and Terra wasnt voices by someone they picked up out of the gutter

>get two legends to voice the keyblade masters
>main trio voiced by random Square employee's neighbors

Bet they feel real fucking stupid having Nimoy voice the one they needed to use more than once and putting Hamil on the guy who dies.

CoM

wait i thought ventus has the same VA as roxas.
didnt a singer voiced roxas?

Holy fuck I forgot about the scene with Eraqus

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Kinohearts? Is there a scene that toos this one?

BBS has the same problem as 2 with the awkwardly long cutscenes full of pauses and fake laughter. It's a Japanese director thing that's been going on ever since Sakaguchi left.

They had 9 fucking games?

Chain of Memories.

Any other answer is wrong, objectively.

For example
You two are blinded by nostalgia.
Otherwise, you believe that a simple plot is better by some arbitrary measure, but regardless plot =/= writing.
When you look at how KH1 is written, it is a bare-bones, by-the-numbers shonen adventure story with tropey twists and archetypal characters.

>It's the only game in the series with tragic undertones
CoM, Re:coded, DDD, χ and especially Days all have tragic undertones.

Even KHII, with Roxas.

Birth by Sleep's writing is alright, but nowhere near the best of the series.

It's a plot that requires everyone who isn't a Xehanort to act like a fucking moron. By that alone it's worse than 1 and CoM.

That's because GBA CoM took heavy liberties instead of translating literally. Also, 1 and CoM had decent writers from Square's internal staff rather than the later games' combination of Nomura and Oka.

Oh, user...

Chain of Memories. It has good characterization and consistent pacing. There are twists and turns, but it never gets needlessly convoluted like the other games.

WHEN

>Otherwise, you believe that a simple plot is better by some arbitrary measure
No, I believe a simple plot that doesn't rock the boat but is enjoyable is far better than a convoluted, shitty story. Birth by Sleep is fucking ASS from a writing standpoint. 1 actually integrated the Disney parts into the story well, for fuck's sake. Most of the other games struggle to even justify them.

I just wanted some Disney in my Final Fantasy, god dammit, the fuck is all this shit

Trick question. All Kongdom Hearts have the worst writing.

FFXV = FFXIII >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every single kingdom heats game

The Timeless River and Space Paranoids episodes in KH2 were integrated well. Everything else was "why are we here"-tier though.

>1 actually integrated the Disney parts into the story well
It really didn't.

The only members of Maleficent's entourage that takes any active role in her plot are Jafar (who really only cared about ruling Agrabah) and Hook (who didn't even capture a Princess).

The rest of them have nothing to do with her plans. At all. They are 100% exclusively concerned with their world plots. Their presence in the secret meeting scenes is cosmetic at best.

The stories of the Disney worlds themselves have very little, if anything, to do with the story.
The only ones that feature main story progress are Monstro and Neverland, because of Riku.
And the world has nothing to do with that story, it's just the backdrop during those scenes.

The Disney worlds have always been filler content in-between main story. Always.

When people say they Disney was integrated well in KH1, they just mean that Maleficent was the main villain for most of the story and the princesses of heart were mostly Disney girls.

An intentionally intimidating and misleading image to highlight what fucking kikes Square Enix are.

In reality you have two main games, a pretty good gaiden game, a Peace Walker situation where "this-is-definitely-the-next-entry-but-it's-lower-budget-so-it-doesn't-have-a-number", two REALLY SHITTY handheld games, a shitty semi-remake, and a phishing sch-MOBILE GAME.

Short version: There's really only four games, varying from good to mediocre, and they're on the HD collection. You also have a second "collection" with a shitty game, a tech demo, and an ad for a pay 2 win game. And there's like, two other games that "exist" that you should never play.

Also that Sora and the group actually interact with the Disney worlds in organic ways and feel like they should be there.

Sora intervening in Alice's trial is a good excuse for a level. "HEY MULAN HAVE YOU SEEN RIKU" is not. Like
said, 2 had exactly two levels that were well woven into the story, and they're also two of the best levels in the game. The rest felt like shitty excuses out of contractual obligation (because they were).

He does. Ven and Roxas are voiced by Jesse McCartney.

If that's all it takes, why do people shit on Re:coded's story so much when it did the exact same thing (arguably better)?

>An intentionally intimidating and misleading image
It's literally just a list of the titles, breaking them up into easy categories and offering explanations of what they are.

I was gonna say 1, but I realized the only reason I don't think the writing is as shitty is because there's so little of it. Most of the game is literally just retreading Disney movies. And what little original story there is is fucking retarded. Riku's character makes no sense. Ansem's motivations are explained in a last minute text dump.

Honestly, CoM is probably the only game in the series that managed to have a plot that wasn't offensively stupid. And even then, it's the game responsible for KH2 being such a mess.

>Listing the fucking mobile version of Coded
It's as comprehensive as possible, which is pointless. It's easier just to list each game once at most.

1 would have been better if they just stuck with Maleficent. We wouldn't get any "Xehanort's Heartless" garbage, either.

It's supposed to be a crash course on the series, of course it's comprehensive.

coded's obviously there so newfags don't get confused if someone says "coded" instead of "Re:coded"

Your opinion is objectively wrong.

CoM's writing would have been the best if it wasn't for writing and plot of Disney worlds. It's 100% filler and boring, and no amount of CoM's original plot can save it.

Maleficent is a shitty character and couldn't carry the series going forward

>but Ansem's also a shitty cha-

Yes, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have tried.

That's why you skip those scenes
Not a whole lot you can do when the Disney worlds are literally reprints based on Sora's memories from the first game.

Otherwise CoM is fucking ace

Chain of Memories

This, adding a "memories" bent to existing excursions can only go so far, especially when it was nearly just a cut and paste job in cases like Olympus. If the Disney worlds were new experiences instead of memories of an old adventure, it would have been a better framework for the story of KH1 than what we got. Instead it was just kinda bland.

>The series going forward.
See, this is the problem.

You're thinking of a "series" or assuming the badguy of game one HAS to be the badguy of game two.

Viewed on its own, as it probably fucking should have been, Maleficent to Chernabog is the perfect climax for KH1, and the fact that C got demoted to a random ass boss battle in the middle of nowhere is a fucking shame.

>Skip disney world scenes

The game is now a premise, several minutes of shadowy figures talking ominously and foreshadowing shit, and then Namine and Marluxia dumping a plot tweest on your lap at the end. It's barely a skeleton.

Chernabog was a bad fight anyway

Yeah, so was Battleship Ansem. I dunno why they dropped the ball on that stuff. Big C was still the perfect climax to what the game was, though: a big old Disney crossover.

>shadowy figures
Every single member is unhooded and also you're forgetting Reverse/Rebirth.

And the journey to the end of the game.
Which, y'know, is where all the writing takes place.

>Maleficent to Chernabog is the perfect climax for KH1

No they aren't, because they have basically nothing to do with the central premise of the game they're in. That of the clash of worlds and the whole namesake of the game: Kingdom Hearts. Even if Ansem's was shitty in how he was implemented, he isn't just the most generic and predictable Disney bad guy.

>a big old Disney crossover
Except it's not a Disney crossover. It's a Disney and Final Fantasy crossover.

And the final boss it did get (which I agree sucked) was a very FF boss.

>They're unhooded
Christ, are you seriously this literal minded?
I am not saying they are visually concealed, you ass. I'm saying it's a bunch of fucking tryhards in dark cloaks who you know little to nothing about talking about foreboding things. It's hack writing 101.

>And the journey to the end of the game.
>Which, y'know, is where all the writing takes place.
Which is the Disney Worlds.
Which you just said to ignore, you numbskull.

Is it time to buy the PS4 collection?

I played and enjoyed KH1/2 and COM. Then it got convoluted and I didn't have a PSP or Vita.

I have a lust for single player games again and I saw it's only $50 at the store today.

Should I do it? Or will it ruin all of my nostalgia?

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I say it's worth it. 4 games (and two in movie format) for the price of one is a good deal. Plus three of them are the Final Mix variants if you never got a chance to experience that.

The better answer would have been to have more Final Fantasy throughout, not to shoehorn something FF-esque into the end. We should have had other wandering FF characters, a world or two that wasn't Disney, etc. Ansem was a far, far worse choice than Big C, despite how much I love him and his wonderful voice acting. He should have been the sequel baddie.

I bought the HD collection on PS4. After I finish some other games I'll move on to this. I only played 1 when I first came out and dropped off because I wasn't as into it. Should I play all of the games on there or just 1 and 2 and eventually 3? I could make the time to do it but if I get burnt out I may just skip the side games if it doesn't matter a whole lot.

Too bad Final Mix KH1 doesn't have a Critical Mode, STILL has a shit camera, and features some of the ugliest goddamn recolors I have ever seen. Seriously, what the fuck did they do to Opposite Armor and why?

Definitely a worthwhile package, though. 1 and the GBA version of CoM are the only ones I really liked, and I still bought it anyway.

weak bait

Nimoy really fit Xehanort a lot more though

>Which is the Disney Worlds.
Are you implying that the story all the way up to F13 is just Org members saying ambiguous shit that doesn't make sense until KHII?

Because... that's not what happens.

Remember all the scenes between just Sora, Donald and Goofy? Riku Replica? The scenes with just the Organization? Axel?

None of that ringing a bell, or are you just being purposefully reductive in order to pain the game a certain way.

Don't bother with Re: Chain of Memories. It's just 1 again with a different combat system and a new story. Play the GBA version if you're ever interested, it's a pretty good little game.

Birth By Sleep is 2.5. If you're gonna play 3, you gotta play it.

>why do people shit on Re:Coded's story
I want to know the same thing, because it's pretty rad.

>Should I play all of the games on there
Yes, of course.

I mean, you already have them, so why the fuck not? It's not as though KHIII is just around the corner and you really need to cram.

You bought it, so you might as well give them a go. CoM will take a little to get your head around due to it's vastly different gameplay to the rest. And BbS has some balancing issues with the superbosses but still give it a go, you might be one of those who really enjoys the command deck gameplay.

Final Mix included Proud mode which the original didn't. Can't defend the camera as you say, it sucks. As for the colours, that's just up to the individual at the end of the day, they never really bothered me that much.

Yeah, I just realized COM is a retread of 1. If you ever wanted to know what the fuck Riku was up to throughout 1 you should play it tho.

Riku's campaign was cool

>There's three very tiny subplots that thrive on being seen piecemeal in between the Disney stuff.
>The somehow consists of a worthwhile story.

Nah m8. You can sum up each one in a sentence. Sora and pals are slowly losing their memories, with Sora's memories of Kairi in particular being supplanted by another girl. The Riku Replica has been made to fight Sora but is slowly gaining a will of its own. The Org members are getting ready to rebel against their own group, but Axel is a mole for the boss.

There's STUFF there, but not enough to constitute a story, ESPECIALLY the way it's delivered. You can grasp as much as you like, but it's just not a competent story, especially when you slash out the majority of it since that shit's a retread.

>Make story based series
>Split it up along side multiple consoles and handhelds
>Don't give them the a full compilation until 15 years afterwards
For what purpose?

>Get bux from companies for exclusives.
>Get people to buy games AGAIN years later anyway and nobody misses out on shit.

Literally just more money.

>For what purpose?
Money. You know, like every thing for sale in this world.

I would say arguably Days if it didn't have such garbage pacing. The little moments it has can be great, but there's just way too much filler between those good moments, and even more filler between any moments happening at all. Not to mention the gameplay being unbearable enough to just make the whole experience not worth it.

>very tiny subplots
It's literally the main plot.

Both scenarios have roughly enough cutscenes to qualify as a feature-length film.

>There's STUFF there, but not enough to constitute a story
Why not? Everything in the game has a resolution. All of the plots tie up, it's a complete story.
>it's just not a competent story
Why not? What's missing?

Being reductive doesn't diminish what is there.
You could do the same thing to KH1.
Sora adventures across Disney worlds, and saves everyone.
Riku gets manipulated into being evil, but redeems himself at the end.
Maleficent is a pawn of Ansem, the real bad guy who everyone thought was good.

You and I both know there's more to it than that.

>Why not? What's missing?
The vast majority of the game, for starters.

In the story, dummy.

Defiently liked the story, just can't stand the whole card battle system.

The vast majority of the game, for starters.
The entire delivery of the subplots is reliant on the Disney stories interspersed, otherwise the pacing is absolutely fucked.

>Not liking Jesse McCartney's voice
He was the only good one desu but he was good

Uh, not really?

If anything, the Disney stories are roadblocks. They aren't substantial enough to be engaging in their own right, and are themselves roadblocked by the room progress mechanic.
Story can only happen in story-designated rooms, so you wander through what are, for the narrative, filler rooms until the story decides to pick up again.

The rooms are generated not as part of the world, but as layouts with the world's paint coated on. So in the Disney story, Sora warps from one area to another and gets the rest of the story.
The stories themselves are very small fragments, don't really mean anything to Sora, or the larger narrative.

The CO scenes string together just fine. It's not as though the story recognizes some kind of time passing between events that would make immediate transitions awkward.

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Just finished RE:COM.

Why the fuck did Rebirth have "smell" as a big motif? It sounded fucking ridiculous having the other characters smell each others presence, also literally smelling darkness what the fuck does that even smell like?

>I SMELL YOU ANSEM, SHOW YOURSELF

Most of those are re-releases

You literally don't need to play anything except what's in 1.5 + 2.5 and 2.8

Thats like way too overcomplicated for it's own good right now. To get all of Kingdom Hearts, just buy the 1.5+2.5 Remix on PS4, and 2.8. They even have the games listed in the proper order

Eh, don't worry about it. It really hasn't been brought up again in the series.

>You're not the real Ansem
>How did you know?
>Your scent isn't strong enough

ehhh

What other sense should he have used to sense the darkness? Taste? That would have been even weirder.
>I TASTE YOU ANSEM, SHOW YOURSELF!

Man, Eraqus steals the show so hard in this

I want you to try and watch the story skipping over the Disney worlds entirely. It's like an hour of repetitive shit. The scenes are a bit recap as well at times because there's big chunks in between them, so if you skip over the Disney content you just end up with "BOY SORA OUR MEMORIES SURE ARE GETTING HAZY" like five fucking times. It flows TERRIBLY as a story if you do so.

None of them. As someone that blew their load when KH came out and thought KH2 was the shit, I can say the series is extremely overrated. The writing is bad, the gameplay is a little above average for an ARPG and the fact you have to spend around $600+ just to keep up with the ridiculously convoluted plot is enough to make this series basically shit. By the time I was 16 and kh3 was still in no sign of being out I gave up and forgot about the series. A couple years back, around 21 I decided to play KH1 again and it really isn't that good at all. It is very clunky and the story is basically only appealing if you are ~12. They did a decent job trying to mature the story with the fanbase, I enjoyed Roxas and thought 350/2 or whatever was good when I was about 15 but by the time I grew out of naruto I grew out of KH as well. KH is basically the naruto of videogames.

>the characters comment about how their memories are falling apart when the setup is that they lose more memories as they progress
Wow how could they do such a thing, terrible

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>I WILL PHRASE IT AS LE SILLY THING, WINNING LE ARGUMENT

Damn son, sure showed me.
If you didn't catch it, I just did the same thing.

Characters repeating themselves over and over in a short span of time is obnoxious, not good storytelling. The skeleton is there, but when you remove the meat of the game the rest just doesn't hold up as a self-sustaining narrative. If you get it all in one go without the Disney stuff it's the same, what, one, two songs? As characters keep repeating the plot points? Shit I mean at least there's Vexen and Marluxia at the end, but it's not a functional story, especially when the org's keep handing him cards to Disney worlds in those very scenes.

I love how you can identify a fanbase mostly consisting of obnoxious womanchildren. They always respond in the same way to any form of hostility or conflicting opinion.

I mean, it's just Kingdom Hearts. But here's another one for you.

So... pointless filler... makes it better?

Y'know to my recollection, there really aren't many "recap" lines. Rather, they do things like "wasn't there a castle...?" Exploring the wreckage that used to be their memories, trying to piece things together.
And even those aren't THAT often, and they don't take up much time.

>reaction image
>hostility

What do you not agree with? You can go ahead and embarrass yourself trying to defend the naruto of videogames or you can admit you're underage/autistic.

Look my man, I loved the series as much as if not more than the average fanboy. I thought every bit of every game was awesome, I got the ultimate weapons, I even made it a point to fight Sephiroth low level in both games without UW right when he was available to fight, I was pretty much obsessed with the series.

And then I grew up and realized they weren't that good, because they aren't. I will say that in terms of combat they're better than something like FFXV, but overall they aren't very good. Especially since you have to buy 2 different consoles and 3 different handhelds to play them. Unless you count the final mixes or whatever, which is basically a slap in the face to longtime fans. "Hey remember how you bought a PS2 and a GBA to keep up with KH? Well now 5 years later you can get them all bundled with up dated graphics and extra content!" Yeah thanks a lot SE, thanks for taking popularity as an invitation to drag out your new series to hell and back over every fucking console.

kek, I don't know why you thought I cared enough to read past the first sentence. It's Kingdom Hearts, not God's gift to mankind.

maybe hearing?

How can one be so passive aggressive that it even comes across on an anonymous imageboard? It is obvious that you think the series is 10/10 my man you keep up your reaction faces, but don't forget about that flushed, embarrassed feeling you get when someone points out KH is shit and for 12 year olds.

Oh no embarrassment here, I just realize that it's fucking Kingdom Hearts. You seem more up in arms about it than I do.

>So... pointless filler... makes it better?
Nice job inserting words into my mouth, and glad to see you're incapable of following a very simple argument.

I'm saying the game is built around the Disney stories. The existing plot doesn't flow properly if you take it out. It doesn't "make it better," it's part of the structure of the narrative. The scenes are reprieves, little breadcrumbs to keep you going, and don't function effectively on their own.

>user
>Reading comprehension

I was calling
hostile, not the reaction image.

>nd don't function effectively on their own
Well, I disagree. The Disney scenes are wholly unnecessary.

Is it setting in yet? I'm curious about autism, I'm wondering how you feel when someone talks shit about something you love and admire.

>reaction image
>post implying he doesn't play all the games, constantly anticipating KH3
I get it, this is easy. Show me something new, something fresh. I want to get some new information here.

How many fucking times do I have to explain this before it penetrates your thick skull?

This is not about the Disney content.
This is about how the other content is structured. It is not written as if it were its own narrative. It is not formatted to be viewed separately. It could probably work if it WAS, but it isn't.