After the fuckload of Persona5 threads we've been having lately...

After the fuckload of Persona5 threads we've been having lately, I made some research on the SMT franchise (Which I was oblivious to before P5) and found out that this franchise has a fuckload of anti-religious messages, especially against Abrahamic religions.

How the fuck didn't this ever raise any sort of controversy in the west? We were told that fucking Pokemon cards and DBZ were "satanic", but a game with actually explicit blasphemies against Abrahamic religions (very popular and active in the west) gets a free pass. What happened?

Because no soccer mom or Bible thumper even knows what SMT or Persona are, compared to DBZ being pretty mainstream and Pokemon being huge mass mainstream.

Is just a video game user no need to make a fuss about it.

Jews don't play past the first couple of hours because it's too hard for them.

1. It's never been popular until Persona
2. It's not really antireligious, I mean the only actual supernatural force in the series is the Great Will, everything else is just collective unconscious.
I mean, the series just feels like an enlightenment scholar and a science fiction nerd wrote a story together, the series also doesn't go out of its way to comment on actual theology and any moment you kill a series demon he'll just say something at the end like "I'm really just a part of you."

It never got popular so it wasn't deemed problematic.
Tell me, what parent is going to go "oh that Shin Megami Tensei game! My son is obsessed with that, and all his friends too!"

I guess that could explain it, but the more mainstream titles still make me scratch my head.

nobody is making a fuzz, just pointing out how huge controversies have been made for less.

SMT IV was available in SAUDI ARABIA, a game where the main goal is to destroy the abrahamic god, released in whats's probably the most religiously conservative country in the world

the writing of p5 is proof that God doesn't exist.

Oh good an SMT thread!

What do I do after I neutral ended smt IV? Should I go back halfway and do Chaos or should I ng and do law?

Or just skip that and go to Apocalypse?

No no my friend, I agree with the comments part, but you can't say that a game where the most common antagonist is the main god of the world's most popular religions is not anti-religious, not only that but it's religious figures are constantly ridiculed/purposefully misinterpreted

God exists just not the way that organized religion make him out to be.

This, I feel like anyone who thinks SMT is really antireligious is missing the forest for the trees.

Bask a little more in the amazing opressing cyberpunk atmosphere the game has and cry as Apocalypse Persona 4ifies everything while on the other hand having the best combat in the series, and it would have had the best gameplay overall had it not been for the save anywhere and free Continue on death.

>"SMT is not anti-religion!/it's not blasphemous as fuck against pretty much every religion out there!"
>1st game has you fucking up both the "good" and "bad" side of judeo-christian religions to call for the birth of a new goddess
>from the 2nd to the 4th game the main antagonist is the supposed judeo christian god (a blasphemy in itself) represented as some extremely evil dictator with some demonic look
>In some games you take direct orders from satan
>There's 4 satan characters
>in one of the spinoffs you face some false god who has to be defeated by summoning the most powerful satan in the universe to punch him in the head with the strength of all sins

You'd have to be blind desu.

And those are just the titles that saw western release, the most obscure titles are full blast blasphemies 99% of the times

lolno

Except it's a deliberate plot point in SMT 2 that the archangels realize that he's a sham God just taking his name. I think the misinterpretation is deliberate because the focus of the series is of the conception the public has of certain deities, judging by the world around us I can say that most atheists have a negative association of God, so it'd be no wonder in a science fiction video game that the manifestation of the publics views of a concept might be negative.

And at the same time the main character is always called the messiah. In the context of the game, demons are born from human beliefs and unconsious thought (yes this is not exclusive to Persona), so the biggest baddest demon takes the form of the world's most popular god. The whole series reminds me of the "What use does God have for a starship?"

>hurr durr Satan is bad guy super scary
Fuck off. The Bible even mentions Satan can't do shit without God's permission. Satan's only "evil" because God put him in that role.

Which one is the one where Lucifer punches God?

None, because Lucifer's a cherry boy who can't do anything right except ask for help from the MCs.

No you're mixing things up. "God" and the demiurge are 2 different beings, "god" is the creator god of the universe where SMT takes place, he's supposed to be the judeo christian god.

the demiurge is pretty much the god of autism, created by another character who fucked off before he could see her, he assumed that he created everything because he was too autistic to admit he was a sham, but again thats demiurge (yaldabaoth), not "god".

You do realize that ANYONE except Jesus being The Messiah is literally blasphemy right? I've had this SMT conversation with many atheist friends, problem is most atheist don't recognize ANYTHING as anti-religious/blasphemous because they don't give a fuck about any religion, but these games are in fact heavily anti-religion

not talking about that, but when you have a game where a supposed satan destroys a supposed game, you're not exactly showing you have a good view of christianity

This makes no sense, since when is it the Jews complaining about satanic shit? Did you just want to mention Jews to fit in, user?

>christfags

None, its not luci, it's satanael vs yalba P5

Have you played any of the games you're talking about or just Persona 5?

Play Apocalypse. I believe that Neutral is the canon end in it anyway and the difference isn't that big between them if I remember correctly.

It's no really cyberpunk though. In my opinion it had more of a post-apocalyptic flavor to it (like most mainline SMT games). Also Apocalypse is not that bad. The combat is better at least.

Because people into full weabo Japanese before social media crept up discussed finer points daily. We didn't need to spill our shit out to the world to prove anything like young cunts feel the Need to do on a daily basis, so journalists never caught onto it as something feasible to milk.

You can't call SMT anti-religion when it delves into the human aspect of religion more than religion itself does.

So your God isn't painted in a favorable light? Boohoo. Religion is based on faith, not circlejerking.

lol the edgelord in SMT isn't my god m8
It's still anti-religious, it doesn't matter if it talks about psychology of religion, the anti religious aspects are in the representation of their religious characters.

What part of what I said makes you think that?

Most of the games canonically end with neutral

>How the fuck didn't this ever raise any sort of controversy in the west?
It's too anime for christians to play?

>Most of the games canonically end with neutral
Well, most of the games don't have direct sequels so it doesn't really matter as much, but Apocalypse continues IV with most characters making a reappearance.