Redpill me on gaming laptops

Redpill me on gaming laptops.

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If you buy one you're an idiot.

expensive
no upgrade path
obsolete very quickly
not portable

>all hardware in one
>can't move screen away
>can't move keyboard around
>using a touchpad
>getting your lap grilled

>b-but I could just use a separate keyboard and mouse
Why the fuck use a laptop then?
Play on your phone or a handheld if you need gayman on the road.

made for literal fucking retards

using the term redpill means its perfect for you you fucking retard

Its an expensive heavy laptop.

You're retarded.

Just get a normal laptop with intel graphics if you need one for work. Don't bother with high end gaming on those things.

For the amount of money they cost, you could easily build an upgradable desktop, buy a great workstation laptop/tablet and STILL save money

If the idea of "gaming on the go" still appeals to you, just get a 3DS, Switch or a Vita and see for yourself how quickly the novelty of it wears off

>too heavy and inconvenient to be truly portable - better getting a handheld or tablet
>too expensive and limited to be stationary - better getting a console or desktop
Basically they serve no purpose that other devices can't serve better and for cheaper

You can get a better desktop for the same money. Even an 1800 dollar laptop is going to be weakshit compared to a proper desktop. Garbage keyboards. Shit battery. Can only upgrade ram and hdd/ssd. Throw it out when in 3 years.

Laptop good if you're some weirdo faggot who needs to travel constantly and has no life outside of airplanes and LAN parties.

You can't really game on the go very easily with a gaming laptop anyway as you need a mouse and somewhere to plug in your 200W power supply.

>You're retarded.
great argument there bitch boy
let me hear all about it in a reddit thread

For the type of things a gaming laptop is good at, a luggable mini itx system will be better, and will have advantages like the ability to be upgraded.

If you travel a lot you should get a extreme small form factor PC that can be upgraded (the Ryzen+Vega SOCs coming later this year should make that really easy to do), and an ultra portable device.

I have one and i had to make a fucking hole in it and some custom cooling shit to not explode while playing games, don't buy one, it a waste of money.

Maybe it' just me, but the screen being connected down there to the keyboard is a major problem. It's just such a shitty position for it when you're used to a more spread out desktop setup.

Worthless. Good only for STGs and roguelikes unless you shill out unimaginable amounts of money

Isn't it Sup Forums's job to redpill you on stupid shit?

Anyway:
>can't upgrade specs without buying a new computer
>Only upside is that you can play a shitty game while on the shitter
>what kind of retard buys a laptop for anything but watching porn in bed

There you go, retard.

They're still not great, but things have changed a bit. For once they have full proper gpus now. The fact that they're not upgradeable is still a thing, but by the time a high end laptop is obsolete, an equivalent desktop would need to be rebuilt entirely anyway.

they're worth it if you travel a lot

Just get a cheap laptop that can play everything from before 2012 @ 720p if you really need one

PCSpecialists is the best value for money and works absolutely fine.

Except then you're talking about a new $1500+ 'gaming' laptop, while for the PC you're talking about a $200-$400 in parts.

Plus those 'full proper GPUs' are still extremely thermally constrained.

Compared to a desktop, they underperform, overheat, can't be upgraded (in most cases), still need peripherals (monitor, mouse, keyboard, headphones) and are more expensive.
Compared to an actually portable machine like an ultrabook, they're heavy, thick, loud and have poor battery life.

For the price of a gaymen laptop, you can get a decent ultrabook AND a superior desktop. There's no reason to have one computer that does everything poorly when you can have 2 specialized computers, one that excels at performance and one that excels at portability.

Heat issues

Do not put your power settings into performance mode, put them into power-saving mode, my GPU went from mid 70c to low-mid 60c on load, do not play games unplugged, basic shit doesn't even last 2 hours, games less

I recently had problems with mine, changing power settings and actually underclocking with MSI Afterburner did me some favors

>extreme small form factor pc
how do you get one? can you recommend a brand? or do you assemble one yourself using a really compact case? i'm genuinely curious

Hot, very expensive, not upgradable, bulky as fuck. Eats through battery too.
It's like the worst of both worlds.

Not really worth it if you are on a budget. If you do have a lot of money to blow though, all the more power to you.

legit question. why is it a knockdown for a gaming laptop that it is not upgradable?

if you are going to upgrade your desktop, more or less, you need to buy a whole computer anyway since a new cpu wont fit in the old motherboard, the new gpu would be bottlenecked by the cpu, the ram would have speeds not supported by the mobo.

the only criticism i can see for the laptop is the price, the gpu power is not an issue anymore. the new pascal laptop gpu maybe clocked lower than desktop, but has higher cuda core count than desktop, so it sometimes run games better.

90% of the time, upgrading a desktop means putting a new graphics card in, since that's what determines gaming performance. CPU bottlenecking is a meme, a mid-tier i3/i5 from 5 years ago is still more than enough to play every new game. The GPU is the determining factor.

I've been using this thing for 5 years, won't play anything past 2013.

>when you upgrade a desktop you need to replace every part so that it wouldn't bottleneck
no you don't. as an example, the i5 we bought 6 or so years ago still runs games very well. we have only needed to upgrade our video card for years now

Case and in most cases the PSU can be upgraded, dunno what you're talking about CPUs bottlenecking unless you're going balls deep into 4K or 144p 144hz, but even then I'm not sure

>assemble one yourself using a really compact case

This. There are a number of 'console style' cases on the market now that allow you to use a single full size GPU in a very small form factor mini itx case, as well as small form factor mini itx cases designed specifically to be luggable.

>can be upgraded
Can be kept*

I travel back and forth from Canada to Europe pretty consistently.

I have a desktop built back home for serious gaming and an Alienware r3 m17x for travelling for over 5 years now.

Apart from not being able to upgrade and spending much more money than I should of for the performance, the laptop itself is surprisingly well put together. The drivers though are a pain in the ass once your laptop gets older and it's a "gaming" brand. I've had to scratch my head for hours on why my graphics card wouldn't work to find out Dell released a Bios update months ago that I didn't know about.

You can upgrade little things like the SSD, ram, GPU and power supply in some of them too which makes for some gains. I'm still pretty happy being able to bring a bunch of games with me in a console sized package when I travel. I just bought an external mouse.

Tl:Dr If you travel it's kinda worth it unless you build something better on your own.

really, even my i7 2600k with 1060 cant maintain stable 60 in ultra. have to buy a ryzen 1700x for that. so yes, cpu bottlenecks are a thing

A good one? Absolutely not worth it. For the price my mate bought his MSI one for he could have bought a high tier build.

The only times I'd advocate one if if you have a highly mobile lifestyle. E.g. work, unstable living arrangements etc...

You can take it to the bathroom and play Illusion games at top quality.

MS office is now monthly subscription, unless you use 2007.
It will not be powerful enough to run DoW3 in full performance.

>CPU bottlenecking is a meme

>MS office is now monthly subscription, unless you use 2007

This angered me so much when I had to upgrade for study.

>1060
At what resolution?

This post is worse bait than rest of the thread combined

Why not just use Libre Office, Google Docs, or one of the other solutions that doesn't involve being bilked out of money constantly?

Word processing is really not that demanding unless you insist on Word. You can even do it with a Raspberry Pi running Linux.

ubisoft games are multithreaded games, so having low spec cpu is going to perform worse. my i7 2600 ran watchdogs 2 very shitty

1440p ultra.

Colossal waste of money unless you have a job that requires you to travel a lot.

I was told I had to get a 1070 and even then the newest games I have to turn it down, reason I'm not putting one in my planned build, it's your gpu holding you back

Thankfully I get it for free as a student... for the next 4 months.

As for google docs: it's a fucking crippled and weak excuse of a suite with retard-boy spreadsheet functionality and poor control over document formatting. Shit doesn't fly with me.

Not heard of Libre office to be honest with you.

Well there's your problem. 1060 is a 1080p max card, not a 1440p card.
Higher resolutions actually reduce the CPU bottleneck since the overhead on the CPU doesn't scale linearly with the resolution, but it does put more load on the GPU which an intentionally crippled card like the 1060 is going to have trouble dealing with.

>gaming
>laptops

choose one

Industries use MS Office and maybe SPSS.
If your professor or boss emails you an excel sheet and its running on Excel post-2003 you're fucked if you're using those. Open Office could not open excel 2007 for me. But this was ages ago.
I had to go to campus for a lot of my reports back in college. When MS rolled out their student support program I was already about to graduate.

Libre can be wonky when opening templates saved in MS Office, and those are common in many fields of work.

its 1440p 60fps

the ryzen 1700x did it fine. same with watchdogs 2, wildlands.

the only games i have that the i7 2600 did well in 1440p is the god eater 2, guilty gear xrd, darksouls 2.

Just a pro tip, out in the real world we write content with one tool, and then format it using page layout software. So don't get too caught up in word processor formatting.

If you want a really good spreadsheet, Gnumeric is probably the best one, and as the name implies its Free.
gnumeric.org/

>Not heard of Libre office to be honest with you.
Not uncommon with uninformed Windows users who are being taken advantage of.
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They're useful if you're a college fag who's transport situation means they spend several hours on campus doing fuck all. Otherwise disregard.

it cant even do it in 1080p. the witcher 3 had a lot of stutter even when i scaled back from 1440p to 1080 to 1280 by 800. i have to reduce a lot of video options. the ryzen build i did with the 1060 is getting more stable 60 in 1440p than the i7 2600. old shit cpu is old, it bottlenecked the gpu.

libre office is not so libre anymore isn't it

>put them into power-saving mode
Won't that reduce gaming performance?

I wish I had listened to Sup Forums before getting my laptop for college. It wasn't a 20 lb chunky one like Alienware/MSI but it had a pretty good mobile GPU in it and I paid out the ass for it. I could've saved the money and just gotten a desktop + a pretty decent non-gaming laptop.

Don't fall for the meme, OP. Just get a handheld if you really want to game portably.

RED WUNZ GO FASTA!

Maybe... but my entire academic institution and the one that's offered me a post-graduate position are using MS Office. Every single job as an IT guy (not my graduate field) has asked for high competency in MS Office.

I will be writing journal articles in Word and using SPSS and Excel spreadsheets, the latter of which overwhelmingly has the market share in my field.

In the real world and in different industries, cunts use different things.

depends on the kinds of games you play. Online FPS you can get by with literally just about anything. Open world Ubisoft games like AssCreed:Unity, or RTS like AotS, and CPU becomes waaaay more important

Meant for...

They are pretty good if you like a more portable desktop

>Industries use MS Office and maybe SPSS.
Great, when you get a job they'll pay the fees for you. There's no real reason to learn a specific piece of software, the functionality is generic and knowing how to use different things and demonstrating an ability to learn to use new programs makes you more employable.

>If your professor or boss
They're usually just as uninformed as the normal user. Let the IT department at your college know, or at your job. Its usually not hard to get people using Free software once you get people to stop using undocumented non-standard formats. The only people in my company who use MS Office are accounting and that's because they're basically braindead and can't learn new things.

>writing journal articles in anything but latex

They tend to crap put pretty easily and their value tanks very quickly.

Also most of them are ugly as shit, heavy as fuck, and have a flimsy plastic feeling. Especially Asus laptops, which feel as it it came from the dollar store.

My performance was going down because of the heat, performance mode was making it run hot to the point where I was getting stuttering, and I'm not talking about simple fps drops, like half-second freezes until I booted up MSI afterburner and my GPU was at 70 celcius, according to tom's hardware you can put it into power-saving or adaptive mode, but at this point I'm more worried about heat than performance as I'm building a computer soon

Not sure what you're talking about. Still a free download, source code is still fully available under a Free license.

It'll probably happen in the future desu.

>high competency in MS Office

Call me when they can fit a gtx 1060 into a laptop that weighs less than 2 kilos then we'll talk

Laptops are meant to portable, not be 3-4 kilo backbreaking monsters

Doubt it dude, at least not in the near future.
Latex can already do everything you need for academic articles and the people who need it are capable enough to figure out how to use it.

Just in case you haven't noticed, college isn't the real world, and job requirements are usually bullshit written up by HR people who have no clue.

If you're going into IT the most important thing these days is to have a good fundamental understanding of UNIX and the systems that are derived from it like GNU/Linux.

I'm not in IT, I do that as a hobby that landed me a casual job. That's as far as it will go.

I do public health and epidemiological research.

Not bad for MMOs if you travel for work.

They have gotten a lot better in recent years. You can get a pretty respectable one for less than 900 if you get ASUS. They are pretty much between a desktop and a traditional laptop

>ASUS
Probably the only respectable brand for this type of thing.

Then you should understand the dangers of monoculture.
Using something different from your peers acts as a firewall to help stop the spread of viruses, or a single exploit taking out the whole system.

Found the low test weakling.

OPs picture is the one I bought. I haven't regretted buying it. In high school I would take it to friends houses weekly for game nights and, while it it is pretty heavy, it's obviously a lot easier than taking a fucking desktop. I bought it because it had a good graphics card, a lot of storage, a big ass screen, and good cooling and in 4-5 years it hasn't failed me yet.

The keyboard will be uncomfortable because you can feel the system heat and the vibration from the fans. So don't buy into marketing about how it has a mechanical keyboard, stuff like that.

Not an argument, it's an observation.

actually no. Asus has been going down. from the tradeshow i went to I actually rank gaming laptops this way

Acer:
Pro: best keyboard of all. cheap, decent quality build
cons: heavy as hell, the swappable fan for ODD is useless.

MSI:
Pro: decent looking laptop. fast, lots of options. cool and quiet.
Cons: super expensive as shit.

Asus:
Pro: ok build, price is ok. performance is on par with MSI
Cons: flexing screen, outer space designs

Cant comment yet on the other brands

Opinions on the GPD Win?

Asus is more expensive than MSI though.

They are fine if that's what you want or you want to game without taking desktop with you on business etc.

Most of Sup Forums is children with no money so they can't understand the concept of having both a good desktop and a good laptop.

I travel a lot and I'm not poor so a MSI laptop with decent GPU is my choice for a time being. Of course I'll buy an actual desktop if I finally settle somewhere

>Take long train ride
>Pull up laptop
>Plug to wall
>Plug mouse, headphones
>Pass the time playing

The hardware isn't really there yet to support a handheld gaming PC.
AMD's upcoming SOC parts should be able to allow for better performance in similar form factors for less money.
Plus Windows is a weak link since its not very good for anything but larger tablets these days.

Used to be the case. Not anymore, though. Msi laptops are overpriced right now.

They're a lot better than they used to be. I wouldn't spend more than 1000 to $1,500 on one though

As long as you avoid stupid meme shit like Alienware, get whatever you want.

Ignore the memes, there are plenty when it comes to gaming laptops.

If you absolutely want a laptop, then a gaming laptop is more than adequate. People talk price but they never include the fact that the screen comes with the laptop while you have to shell out extra for a monitor with desktop.

There are laptops with 1070s in them going for around $1000 already on sale.

I have one because my job requires me to go around the world.

Can handle some PCSX2 games quite well.

MXM chips are a thing

...you CAN swap out mobile GPUs now if you actually check what the laptop in question uses (yes many still do soldered-in but every major gaming laptop company offers a MXM machine where CPU and GPU can be easily upgraded or otherwise replaced)

...

I take a 1 credit cpr class every 2 years at community college and still get free student gibs

>those prices
Better build a PC yourself.

>540m
>buying anything lower than entry level X60

Your own fault, honestly.

The Razer Blade packs an i7 and 1060 and its thinner than a dime and weighs a little more than a MacBook Air

And no, the thermals are fine