Dark Souls 3 has a very bad story

Dark Souls 3 has a very bad story.
Like..really really bad.

How would you fix it? Besides nuking it out of existence.

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make it in another world like drangleic

what do you think was wrong with the story?

it doesn't have a story at all, stop making shit up

I liked the story

whats the problem faggot?

I just want to destroy noobs with my smurf rosaria and upload it to twitch.

Better than 2

Just like your life faggot

There was a story? I was too busy killing people for their souls.

Get rid of AoA and its dumb ass painting.

Go back to the pygmies and give them a fucking conclusion rather than lol blood dark soul paint.

Really? A BAD story? So bad it needs to be 'nuked out of existence'?

You don't know anything, do you?

Dark Souls II have the easier to understand story in the Dark Souls series, only BB is easier.

I Don't know why there are people that say DS2 have no story, those people must be nuts.

adding waifus

nice bait OP

Nihilistic view where your struggle means dick
Too much fanservice. Pulling new and unexplored plot elements out of their ass for the sake of convoluted bullshit. Retcons out the ass. etc etc.
It's DS1 Greatest hits with crap DLC.

Should have been a romantic comedy.

dark souls has always had a Nihilistic view where your struggle means dick

Reminder that the best ending the series ever had was in DS2.
DS3 might as well say: all your efforts are in vain.

You mean DaS has always aped DeS endings for its story.

>from literally cant make a new story

Maybe mix up the formula a little and bring NPC interactions and online summons to the forefront, making it more of a bro-op adventure game.

>Nihilistic view where your struggle means dick
All the games are like that, and that also isn't really a criticism
>Too much fanservice.
It's a sequal. Its gonna have characters from the last game
>Pulling new and unexplored plot elements out of their ass for the sake of convoluted bullshit.
Like?

>Retcons out the ass. etc etc.
Like?
>It's DS1 Greatest hits with crap DLC.
Ringed city was good, not sure what you mean by ds1 greatest hits

>All the games are like that, and that also isn't really a criticism
DS2 isn't and it's definetly a criticism where the whole concept of the game is victory from attrition.
>It's a sequal. Its gonna have characters from the last game
It's set in the far future yet it's still dickriding DS1 to completion.
>Like
Deep/ Profaned flame/Pygmy City/Painting cycle/
>Like
Ornstein and Gwynevere come to mind
>not sure what you mean by ds1 greatest hits
MEMBA ARTORIAS? Here's his fanclub
MEMBA OOLACILE? Here it is
MEMBA ANOR LONDO? Here it is
MEMBA PRISCILLA? Here's another dragon hybrid
MEMBA GWYNDOLLIN? Here's his corpse as a boss
MEMBA GWYYYNNNN? Despite the best idea was to have the fucker be forgotten, we're still not over his husked corpse.

Gwyn is a weak ass lame boss.

A Boss that is weak against piromancy and susceptible to parry can't be a good boss.

nuke ds3 and soulscancer fanbase now back to your containment general goblin

>DS2 isn't and it's definetly a criticism where the whole concept of the game is victory from attrition.
Okay so the odd one out didn't carry on the theme of entropy and that's the fault of the one with similar themes?


>It's set in the far future yet it's still dickriding DS1 to completion.
Again, not sure what you're expecting from a sequel


>Deep/ Profaned flame/Pygmy City/Painting cycle/
The only thing that really needed explaining was the deep. The rest are pretty obvious besides the pygmy city, which seems more like something you wish was more included as opposed to it being necessary for story telling


>Ornstein and Gwynevere come to mind
How were they retconned?


>MEMBA ARTORIAS? Here's his fanclub
>MEMBA OOLACILE? Here it is
>MEMBA ANOR LONDO? Here it is
>MEMBA PRISCILLA? Here's another dragon hybrid
>MEMBA GWYNDOLLIN? Here's his corpse as a boss
>MEMBA GWYYYNNNN? Despite the best idea was to have the fucker be forgotten, we're still not over his husked corpse.
Again, it's a sequel. These characters were always important to the overarching narrative.

>DaS2 definitely isn't
DaS2 was the game that introduced the idea of DUDE CYCLES LMAO, making it the inventor of "literally nothing you ever do will matter in any way ever." Shut the fuck up about DaS2 not being nihilistic you stupid fucking fanboy.

>Deep/Profaned Flame/Ringed City weren't explained
Stop making lore threads until you actually bother reading item descriptions. Fuck off.

>Gwynevere was retconned
She was not, unless you're one of the retards who thinks that she's either the Queen of Lothric or Rosaria, in which case fuck off because both are wrong.

DaS2 fans are so fucking stupid I swear to god

>Gwyn is a weak ass lame boss.
>True King allant is a weak ass lame boss
>Abyss lady is a weak ass lame boss
>Wheelchair Guy is a weak ass lame boss
>SoC is a weak ass lame boss

So in conclusion. Souls games have terrible endings without DLC

They choosed the most controversial area of DS2 to make an appearance in DS3.

twf Iron Keep was in the Ringer City.

>DaS2 was the game that introduced the idea of DUDE CYCLES LMAO

Did you even Play DaS1?

The cycles were stated clearly to have been going long before you showed up.
Or did you not find Kaathe?

For fucks sake the INTRO to the entire franchise says there will always be cycles.

>Shut the fuck up about DaS2 not being nihilistic you stupid fucking fanboy.
Eat a dick, weeb. DS2 actually gave out the idea that there was hope. DS3 shit on everything.
>Stop making lore threads until you actually bother reading item descriptions. Fuck off.
Drink piss. The deep is an unexplored and major plot thread that never gets a concrete answer. Profane flame is equally shit
>Bunch of bitches related to LITERALLY WHO get together and make a power source THAT NEVER GOES OUT
AND THEY IGNORED IT COMPLETELY
>She was not
OH I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT THE DANCER BEING RELATED TO ANOR LONDO ROYALTY AND HAVING GWYNEVERE'S SPELLS ACTUALLY HAD A CORRELATION
How about YOU go ahead and read the lore, you prick

Deep was explained though. It's made of stray, stagnanting humanity (see Great Deep Soul and related spells). You can also tell this by the fact that it infuses dark weapons and by how the Deep rises to supremacy as the flames fade (which is coincidentally when the Dark rolls in). It normally exists at the bottom of the world because humanity is heavy and sinks, but when the world crunches together at the close of the age of fire it comes to the surface. It's a giant ocean made out of pure, tranquil humanity.

Ringed city had shit level design and bad to middling boss fights.

Why is DaS2 the worst game in the entire series?

None of the games have particularly good stories, they have some interesting bits of lore and shit scattered around but as for stuff that's actually going on while your character is there is pretty sparse. That is kind of the point though, you show up when all the kingdoms have already gone to shit and crumbled.

>Dancer had Gwyneveres spells
How about you never post again. Those spells were given to LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF GWYNEVERES SERVANTS. This was stated explicitly I'm DaS1. The Dancer was literally just a handmaiden or a descendant of a handmaiden. Nothing more holy shit.

I want to fuck the firekeeper so hard her insides become a bonfire and i link the fire right there as i cum in her

Because you cant see the trees for the forest.

Well, there we go

I thought it was pretty great, and gael was a fantastic final boss fight. Demon prince was really fun too. I agree that the second boss was garbage though.

Because while it was a step in the right direction, it made missteps.
DS3 isn't part of the Dark Souls series. It's a Bloodborne reskin.

At what point is ds3 more nihilistic than the rest
The only part with no hope is the linking of the fire which has always been something in every game that has been established as pointless.
The Only character that is nihilistic is the abyss watcher npc

>The Dancer was literally just a handmaiden or a descendant of a handmaiden

Not the same guy but then why is she working for sulvayn or whatever that guy is called?

Also why the fuck were the boreal valley bosses warped into lothric?

I beat the first game a while ago and had a pretty decent grasp of what was going on, but after finishing DS3 I'm still pretty clueless as to what an unkindled/champion of ash or a lord of cinder even is.

You mean cannot see the lavacastle over the poisonwindmill

They didn't exist in the way that DaS2 said they did. According to DaS2 there have been infinite ages of both light and dark, one after the other and that ultimately the dark always fades back into light without anyone really caring about the difference. DaS3 actually retcons this back to saying that the age of dark is the apocalypse again, and that the flame has always been linked. It undoes DaS2s concept of the cycle to reintroduce a more thematically appropriate one.

Do you even know what that saying means?

Your response is that of a child. Unable to discern the details from the larger picture.

>Not the same guy but then why is she working for sulvayn or whatever that guy is called?
Because she is being forced to work for him against her will? This is all given clearly in her items and armor.

You mean the awesome artificial difficulty and shitty gauntlets and bossdesigns?

>. It undoes DaS2s concept of the cycle to reintroduce a more thematically appropriate one.
Thematically appropriate would have been one where there was a solution attainable. YOU KNOW. JUST LIKE THE ONE SCHOLAR ADDED.
And DS3 just continued on where DS2 left off.
Tiny embers scattered across the dark. That wasn't a DS1 concept. Vendrick was the first who said that.

...

When do you realize Dreg Heap are all Dark Souls timeline mashed together? Dark Souls 2 is not in Dark Souls 1-3 timeline.

LE EPIC REFERENCE FOR THE WIN
GOT ANY MORE NARWHAL REFERENCES? *praise the sun*

The fire has faded already before DaS1 even starts, Gwyn saw it happen.

Also DaS1 starts 1000 years after the intro.

>The deep is an unexplored and major plot thread that never gets a concrete answer.
See The Deep is the darkness version of the first flame, the anti-flame that is the core manifestation of Darkness manifests itself as a mass of liquid (dark fire) humanity/Dark Soul, because cold liquid is the disparate opposite of fire.

>covenants that work
>unique level mechanics
>best DLC
>variety

Yeah it did things wrong but it did more right than DaS3 in being a sequel.

Making yourself immune to hollowing isn't a cure for the general population nor is it a way to stop the lights from going out. It's basically you trying out your own personal version of the Londor end. It doesn't even make sense why wearing those special crowns makes one immune to hollowing in the first place.

Okay, then is sulvayn waiting for you the entire time? How do the bosses know to teleport in when you show up.

that isn't true

it is mate.

>unique level mechanics
better use that torch :^)
>best DLC
wow, fighting le meme ganksquad and bluefire dude wow what great dlc
lets not forget le noble katanaknight
>variety
brown enviroment with a dash of green
green enviroment with a dash of brown

Lets not forget lock on while spinning around enemies :^)

Yes, and? That doesn't change my point that in DaS1 and DaS3 they state that there has been an uninterrupted chain of fire-linking holds back the darkness because the age of dark nukes the world as we know it, while the DaS2 portrayal of the dark is "lol who cares"

>It doesn't even make sense why wearing those special crowns makes one immune to hollowing in the first place.
youtube.com/watch?v=jXvRe-6l3BM
Also, if you honestly think the Londor ending is anything approaching a "good" ending, i suggest you take a look at new londo and Oolacile to see what Snake worshiping dickwraiths end up doing.

what do people mean when they say a souls game is easy?
you scale your own difficulty in these games with the weapons you choose and the amount of souls you invest in levelling up.

>the best covenents, replayability, DLC are all tied to the worst base game

WE ALREADY HAD TWO VERSIONS OF ANTI-FIRE
ABYSSAL FIRE FOUND IN THE ABYSS AND THE PROFANED FLAME
Deep is just crap that doesn't even factor into the main plot. Unless you honestly want to call the swamp in TRC the "deep".

Yeah, looks like DS1

>because the age of dark nukes the world as we know it
Thats not true.

Dark is natural, gwyn existed in it and saw its power so he feared it and sealed it away. TRC explicitly states this and DaS1 as well. The world didnt fucking end when Gwyn saw that otherwise Anor londo and all of lordran would be in ruins from being in the age of dark the first time. They are not.

The dreag heap never shows up until you run out of fuel, when the world is ash from burning far too long due to unnaturally prolonging the age of fire.

>souls game
>story
Choose one dipshit. Dumping endless amounts of ""lore"" in form of item descriptions hardly classifies as a story

I like to think that DS3 age of Fire storyt is told in the point of view of Flame addicts that is why they keep going "age of dark is bad LMAO". getting a game set in the a age of dark where you can fuck with the Dark Lord would be alot better than what we got in 3

le exposition head

>people still dont get DaS3 story
I mean it was hard but come on guys.
Fire burns the world since its trees, dark lets the world recover but at the cost of not letting gwyn be in charge. All beings except the everlasting dragons are born from the arch trees. Thats why we burn so good after covering ourselves in souls.

Gwyn dicked over the entire existence of the world by linking that shit and stetting up his followers to usher undead into his test of might to replace him.

So instead of day and night, something ALL LIFE NEEDS gwyn was a pussy and installed himself as a night light.

After a shit load of times (das2) the world is starting to feel the effects of an age of fire (das3). Travel to the far future and you see that its all ash after letting fire burn for so long.

Only way to get the meme sorceress set in and get away with making an area that's just a load of fucking swamps and ash fields connected by linear drops.

I felt like Gael was alright but let down by his sudden introduction. If he had been more present earlier instead of the angels and only his messages telling you that it is safe to jump then I feel like more could have been gotten out of the final confrontation.
Like if you were to actually interact positively or negatively with Gael at various points in the past/future (Caused retroactively by disturbing the princess) on his path before you enter the bossfight with Gael in an arena that doesn't suck nine dicks this time.

Demon Prince first phase is kind of interesting as a concept but the arena is just large and filled with random masonry.
The double melee phase is a pretty shit 2 bosses moment since you can't fight them properly due to them clipping into eachother and making actual reads nearly impossible but the arena is also easily navigated and your running speed is enough to keep you out of harms way.
The double ranged phase is a pushover because the bosses are very open to attacks throughout with very lengthy attacks that mostly miss.
The one melee/one ranged phase is somewhat good because you do have to focus on both.
The solo melee phase falls apart when the second buddy isn't covering for him because he has barely any real attacks.
The second form of Demon Prince is far too reactive for my taste. You wait for him to cycle through his big attacks and just roll through them then hit him.

>1/3 of the bosses in both DaS2 and DaS3 DLC ended up being filler
>DaS2 has 9 bosses and DaS3 has 6

Oh wow, sure showed him.

DaS3 does this just as much

So instead of letting the literal apocalypse happen you have the retarded plot of AoA.

People who exist in a painting are going to get "the blood of the dark soul" to make a painting within a painting to escape the outcome of the world.

EXCEPT THATS FUCKING RETARDED AND I HATE DAS3 STORY

>tfw even the paintings have cycles

Thanks DaS

I don't think you can slaughter every last being in existence, absorb their essence, get killed, have your blood brought back in time and then have a picture painted with it more than once anyway.

Wow, you are literally daft. Are you that cucknugget tumblrbomberfaggot?

don't you fucking dare to not suck DS3's dick. It had memezaki in it so it IS a good game by default my dude

>he thinks that the Dark is inherently the Abyss
Please stop embarrassing yourself. The Deep was introduced to show you how Darkness manifests itself outside the context of evil sorcery fucking with it (of the types that produced the Abyss and the Profane Flame). Why is it that the people who complain the hardest about souls lore are always the people who understand the least about it?

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>Given infinite time, the universe will end

wow geez how nihilistic. way to be a fucking downer, From.

>The Deep was introduced to show you how Darkness manifests itself outside the context of evil sorcery fucking with
Except the guys associated with it, are corrupted way of white members and an actual corpse eating monster.
Might as well say "This land is peaceful, it's inhabitants kind". Descriptions saying it was once peaceful doesn't make it so. Doesn't help that Deep associated souls have zero connection appearance wise to dark infused souls like Gael's and humanity sprites.

>Dark is natural, gwyn existed in it and saw its power so he feared it and sealed it away.
You know what else is natural? Leprosy and bot flies. Claiming that something is OK just because "dude its nature lmao" is fucking stupid.

Furthermore, we know that nature collapses as an inherent effect of the flames fading (outside of any interference by Gwyn) because the Darkwraiths of New Londo were using Red Eye Orbs to invade other Undead for their humanity, BEFORE the city was sealed away and the flame was linked. You find cracked red eye orbs underneath the water, and to use them they must have been undead before Gwyn linked the flame, since Undead don't exist after the fire is linked and there is no point between when Gwyn did it and the events of DaS1s in which they would have had the opportunity to dickwraith around. If you can invade parallel worlds, then the fabric of reality is falling apart, time is becoming convoluted and parallel world's are mixing together. The flame fading inherently fucks spacetime.

thats not shrine of amana

Patches is the only one who has lived long enough to know everything is trees.

>except that people who worship the Deep are corrupted
Because the Deep itself has begun to stagnate and rot, just like the painting in AoA. Time fucks it over

>Deep spells have no connection to humanity
darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Great Soul Dregs

Nope.
>If you can invade parallel worlds, then the fabric of reality is falling apart
Was caused by the first flame being re-kindled putting the world in an unnatural state, much like he did with humanity, by putting a seal of fire on it.
Theres no proof either way turd

The rest of your post in incoherent as fuck no offense
New Londo happened long after Gwyn linked the fire so I'm not sure what your trying to say.

>the Darkwraiths of New Londo were using Red Eye Orbs to invade other Undead for their humanity, BEFORE the city was sealed away and the flame was linked
Except they didnt? That was clearly after the linking. Even oolacile was after the linking.
>Undead don't exist after the fire is linked
Except they do? Undead exist only because of what gwyn did.

That's bullshit user. The is no real evidence of that.

you even put Demon's souls in the same universe

>happy=best

i disagree

but all souls games have bad stories (more like none at all desu).half of it is just conjuncture, and the rest is made up by fans. literally.

stop trying to push the "lore" from these games. it's just fluff, without any actual meat.

i killed this dude and i really have no idea who he was.

>Midir is an HEIR OF FIRE

What did he mean by this?

that's what im saying m89,i literally have no clue what i just fucking killed

this bitch behind a door tells me to lel kill dragon.

and the ending of ringed city? who the fuck was that princess chick? and then the dude from ariandel is last boss? i mean, what the fuck is this mess?

>New Londo and Oolacile happened long after Gwyn linked the fire so I'm not sure what your trying to say.
They did not. After the flames are linked, the curse of Undeath temporarily lifts. No invasions, no convoluted time, no nothing. Therefore, after the flame was linked, the Darkwraiths would not have been able to invade.

However, the Darkwraiths have been underwater for a long time, a REAL long time. The events of New Londo and Oolacile happened more or less concurrently, and Oolacile happened centuries, if not an entire millenium ago.

The problem with this, of course, is that the "current" plague of undead is relatively new. There's no mention of anyone older than Logan attempting to get through Sen's, and that was only 100 years ago, along with Knight King Rendall and the Berenieke knights.

But the Darkwraiths were underwater this whole time, incapable of threatening the world. Oolacile was long since lost and Artorias passed into legend. They were not active during the "present" outbreak of undead.

But there were no outbreaks of undead between the current one and the one before Gwyn first linked the fire. And we KNOW that there WERE undead before Gwyn linked the fire because as the purple cowards crystal states, the Gods liked using Undead as gladiators.

Therefore, the Darkwraiths were invading before Gwyn linked the flame. Which means that time and space were convoluted before Gwyn linked the flame. Which means that time and space falling apart is not a result of Gwyns meddling, but an inherent consequence of the flames fading.

i really like the gameplay of the Souls games. i like the challenge, the grinding part, the looting, etc. but i think that the "story" part of the game is the most lazy bullshit that devs pulled out of their asses i've ever seen in games. and the people arguing and discussing "lore,theories and speculation xD" should commit sudoku. you fuckers are the worst fanbase, ever

Something somethinh pygmies something imprisoned by gwyn something daughter something something painting something dark souls something escape.

Its pretty bad so I wouldnt worry and I took the time to figure it all out this last week as well, I use to be a fan of the franchise but fuck memezaki and his not endings

>I can't read

deepest lore

read what nigger. nothing in the game states clearly what things are. everything is so convoluted and vague, that it's obvious the devs just went " ah, fuck it, i give up, let's just drop some half baked shit and let those faggots make it up as they go" halfway through the creation process.

Lore autists should get shot.

Well since you said that nothing is explained clearly, I'm going to say that you can't read "anything," and also going to add to this that you either can't hear npcs speak words, or just mash A through every dialogue you come scross