>Japanese games are no more numerous in past decades than in this one, and pretty much none of them are at the genre-creating level of creativity that the best Western designers operate on. The Japanese have never been innovators, but they are the best damn students and copiers and refiners around, and this hasn't changed since the beginning of the artform (the very latest example being the GTA Zelda, which is basically a GTA ripoff for kids — and a great ripoff, at that, which is why there's no reason for us to use such nasty words like ripoff, and which I am only using here to drive home the fact that innovation, by and large, happens in the West and refinement in Japan).
Innovation doesnt exist, everything is a remix. Seems like he is trying to defend western games with something that doesnt even matter. If the game is shit then is shit, you dont get points for """"innovation""""
Mason Ward
>Innovation doesnt exist No wonder you think it doesn't matter. You don't even know where the fuck to look.
Gabriel Martin
>The Japanese have never been innovators Are we talking about games specifically? Either way you're wrong.
Nathan Nguyen
Thanks for beta testing, gaijins.
Charles Baker
Friendly reminder most video game genres have been created in Japan.
Lucas Morales
>and pretty much none of them are at the genre-creating level of creativity that the best Western designers operate on I can feel the salt radiating off of this writer.
Benjamin Harris
>the very latest example being the GTA Zelda, which is basically a GTA ripoff for kids I don't even know how to respond to that
Mason Gomez
Do Danganronpa and Ace Attonary have their inspiration from the west? What game is that? I'm kinda curious.
Caleb Morgan
Ace attorney isn't a game it is a VN.
Thomas Davis
Name them.
Jason Russell
Name one (1) japanese invention
Jace Johnson
dark souls is the best game of this decade and the west can't hope to compete
Zachary Anderson
All I want is a modern FPS with a little girl coat of paint. I don't need your fucking innovation nonsense.
Tyler Gonzalez
That's your opinion, man. I used to think that billiards is not a sport, and it is anyway.
Andrew Mitchell
RTS Fighting game Action rpg Grand strategy Shooter Off the top of my head
Dylan Brooks
How is that wrong?
>open world >has capacity to do fun experimental shit with physics and game world elements >hijacking cars (mounting wild animals)
All we need is a reputation score.
Zachary Gonzalez
I mean it's blatantly insultingly wrong. Japan is an insignificant island nation with a massive culture powerbase.
John Cooper
Just play shoot em ups, many fps guys enjoy those too and they have infinitely more girls
Jose Hall
lol are you fucking joking? I suggest you actually do research on any of those genres.
Jordan Roberts
>innovation, by and large, happens in the West and refinement in Japan Is there anything stupider than this statement?
What's really funny is that 90% of the trash the west puts out these days are crappy story-based games.
What in the fuck was the last innovation the west produced? Real time FPS games?
Dominic Robinson
>western games >innovation enjoy bethesda games, asses creed, and cinematic bullshit till you die
David Watson
So it's barely anything like GTA thank you for clearing that up
Charles Young
The real question is why do you fall for bait from idiots?
Jordan Miller
>level of creativity that the best Western designers operate on
>Ubisoft >sports games >Activision/Dice shooters
The West drips with creativity
Leo Morales
>GTA Zelda Wow just wow.. Are you quoting NG's own Doc Seuess? It sounds like his kind off ass blasted, anti-Japan revisionism. Even his boardmates lol'd at him, but what do you expect from a guy whose favorite game is Quantum Break?
Thomas Clark
The core enjoyment in it is similar.
Aaron Martin
Which games in the west were the first ones then? Just going "lel nah ur wrong" isn't proving your argument against his argument and I'm genuinely interested in which western company made the fighting game genre
Brody Robinson
Herzog Zwei Air yee Karate Tower of Daruga Nobunaga's Ambition Space Invaders
Eat shit my man.
Cooper Baker
tl;dr
Luis Gutierrez
remind me again the style of game that the new god of war is being made in? this statement may be true elsewhere but in gaming it couldn't be further from the truth, especially in the past few years with ubi shit all becoming the same formula and game after game becoming a fps to try and cash in on the CoD cash cow after the success of CoD4. hell just look at the current years CoD and the fact that they went back to WW2 only because the market got excited over a WW1 game and then there's BF1 where the big buzz was that it was a WW1 game but dice and ea are so scared of change that the game plays almost exactly like any battlefield before it.
Jordan Sanchez
And Navy and 3rd largest economy in the world and number creditor in the world. Yeah totally insignificant
James Brooks
this desu, Dark Souls is one of the few games I can play without dying of boredom anymore
Grayson Perez
VN is a genre of games. Hell they are called adventure in japan
Nicholas Wilson
>If a game is open world that means it's GTA Jesus fucking christ. This is worse than comparing everything to Dark Souls.
Benjamin Perez
Naw its just the LoZ updated.
Brayden Perry
Here's your reply. The author's personal GOTY list since 1962.
>RTSs were invented in 1989 >APRGs were invented in 1984 >Space Invaders was the first shooter O laud.
Zachary Taylor
mfw GTA is a Zelda clone
Christopher Gomez
>No wonder you think it doesn't matter. You don't even know where the fuck to look.
He's right though.
Things we see as original and innovative are really just clever ripoffs, everyone gets their ideas from somewhere. Tolkien was able to to write so much OC because he was a massive historyfag.
True creativity doesn't exist.
Ethan Sullivan
Just an average post on Sup Forums. Any reason in particular that you are quoting it?
Benjamin Rivera
Actualky for fighting it's Karate Champ with Yi Ar releasing in 85
Christopher Howard
>Space Invaders Space War! is way older.
Eli Cox
No matter what I saw, you are going to say that they used resources already in place and not count it.
Joshua Miller
>Innovation Shut up and just give us good games
Mason Cruz
Reminder Americans ruined gaming over the last 10 years.
Jaxson Ortiz
>Minneapolis So there is a reason that place still exists?
Connor Wood
>2 blocks smashing into each other Lol, your list just proves my point
Carter Rodriguez
Give us some credit. We've been fucking things up since the mid 90s.
Isaac Price
Space war is a mess nowhere near an aporoximation of a game.
Nolan Miller
Disgusting opinion, who said that? GTA had and still has shit interaction with a world, even Watch Dogs 2 is better And Zelda BOTW is damn interactive one openworld at all
I mean just google before looking dumb. It's 2017 dude.
Nolan Cruz
No it doesn't, it reinforces exactly what was said in the OP. Innovation begins in the west and refinement in Japan.
Jordan Lopez
Hey it least he liked Herzog Zwei. Game is so cash.
Elijah Torres
Just name one.
Zachary Roberts
What the fuck does that even mean and how can it be applied to BotW when talking about GTA but not other games.
I like shooting cops in GTA, does that mean the old batman sidescrollers are the same as GTA? I get the same core enjoyment out of both.
Eli James
>Let me take one stupid idea that may apply to at best a handful of games and extrapolate it to stereotype an entire nation and completely ignore the rest of the industry.
How did you go through 12 years of education and maintain this level of stupidity. Men who know least really do talk the most.
Lincoln Perry
Prototypical, forgotten garbage with no mechanics what so ever behind it.
Asher Taylor
GTA3 was loved when it released because of its innovations in taking the expansive, interactive world you could freely roam in from the previous games into 3D and giving you physics bending experimentation and explosions to fuck around with. The core of that experience is replicated in BOTW but of course wildly reimagined to fit a different setting and audience. GTA is used as the example of reference here since it was the key innovator in this type of game.
It's far from small, but the point stands.(not him btw)
Matthew Davis
How many billions in the west?
Ian Williams
I love the soulsborne franchise.
Why didn't the west try something like this?
I recall some folks saying it got inspiration from severance: blade of darkness. That true?
Liam Perry
like zero billions
Eli Turner
this. How can the author talk shit when most genres were invented in japan?
Xavier Sullivan
>when you make a thread without doing entry-level googling first
Angel Cook
>Why didn't the west try something like this? What, a dungeon crawler/3rd person action game?
Aaron Murphy
Makes no difference you fucking idiot, the point is that those prototypes were done in the west first. The ideas started there.
Ian Scott
but the author isn't talking shit
Isaac Morales
Nope It's inspired by Berserk and Kings Field. The Severance shit is just westerners trying to take credit for an eastern success.
Colton Davis
the only thing japanese games are better at than western games are telling a story, except they all have really shitty stories
Colton Thompson
Lol
Wyatt Nguyen
Stay mad kid. Nobody cares. Next thing you'll be saying is that Adventure was an Rpg. Piss off mutt.
Sebastian Bailey
Pretty Sure the Souls series was a game changer that spawned its own sub-genre of Souls like and popularized slow combat and stamina bars.
Hold on your xenophobia westies. I'm sure your cinematic experiences will pain out some day
Ethan Richardson
KEK E K Thanks Op
Jose Carter
So you are really going to argue that Space Invaders was the first shooter and that Spacewar! never happened, huh? Christ.
Andrew Fisher
God damn, the first time travel story comes from Japan. No wonder they can produce Steins;Gate.
John Robinson
REKT
Brayden Bell
>open world You mean like.... The Legend of Zelda (NES) >has capacity to do fun experimental shit with physics and game world elements This is pretty much every game ever but I'll go for the example of destroying signposts in OOT. >mounting horses in a fantasy game is like stealing a car!!!!! ...
Henry Edwards
but he's making a false claim.
Eli Green
Depends How mad are you?
Ryder Hall
Following that logic, Minecraft and Assassin's Creed are rip-offs of GTA.
Jaxson Ramirez
Games with anime artstyles rarely have good stories (Persona, Hyperdimension Neptunia have shit stories and cringe dialogue). But Japanese games do have good stories. Better than the West (Nier, MGS3).
Jordan Myers
i'm pretty sure the writer in the OP considers asscreed part of the GTA "genre"
Brody Watson
the first AC is actually a GTA rip off.
Connor Foster
Why would I be mad? It's not really my problem if you choose to sit there in denial.
Aaron Gutierrez
Everything old is new. Everything new is old. God damn. That is this thread in a nutshell, isn't it?
Brandon Myers
>King's Field Ultima Underworld.
Joshua Sullivan
Apparently they also have banks and insurance companies there too?
So no. Nuke it from orbit.
Gabriel Butler
>muh forced dichotomy
Cooper Bennett
Mid 90's? I'm not so sure. I think the turn of the century is when things really started slipping.
The mid 90s was a little weird because we started moving into 3D shit and that was hard.
Christian Ross
Nearly 2 billion counting all of Europe, N. America and S. America
