What was his endgame?

What was his endgame?

what was that big ass bat he turns into? Do they ever explain his history anywhere in the game?

not in the game but it is a pre-existing ability of that particular type of vampire in the p&p

I think it's not explained in the game. He is african freak of nature with similiar skills to Tzimisce as I recall from one of the older threads.

The Chiropteran predator is a Tzimisce discipline and this guy is supposed to be a Gangrel because it summons spirit wolves at the beginning, so I really don't know.

Also someone mentions how LaCroix recruited "Magilla Gorilla" in Africa. Jack says this, IIRC

Its what the clan he is a part of, is suppose to do.
PC only gets a shitty werewolf light as full transformation.

Gangrel isn't Tzimisce light, Tzimisce is a specialized version of Gangrel.
Gangrel can do a lot of what Tzimisce can do, where Tzimisce can do external flash operations on other objects.

Are Tzimisce only these deformed monsters in the later era and near the time of judgement? Tzimisce in the middle ages seem different.

No, the Sheriff is a type of African Tzimisce called a "Nagloper." Like their parent clan they have Vicissitude (allowing him to take the Chiropteran Marauder - aka bat form) and Animalism (the two wolves you saw).

I'd argue the opposite of this. Gangrel get a single fight and flight form when they get to Protean 4. So, like Wolf and Bat. It never changes, so he'll never be able to turn into a Mountain Lion or a Raven or anything else.

Vicissitude allows the Tzimisce to shape himself into literally anything he can imagine. He can turn himself into a Wolf, or a Cthulhian nightmare. Between Fleshcrafting and Bonecrafting there's really nothing a Tzimisce can't be.

Each Tzimisce is different due to their flesh sculpting abilities. Some have "transcended" the human form and appear as literal monsters but some are even more beautiful than the Torreador. They held great power in eastern Europe, it took some serious Tremere shenanigans to de-throne them.

Another redflag is that Tzimisce antiribu, those that leave their sect, usually do so to pursue independent existence far from sect politics, and not to join the Camarilla. There's literally no Tzimisce in the Camarilla and if LaCroix's monster truly is Tzimisce, that's pretty fucked up.

he's a big Cainite

Last time i checked, Tzimisce sculpts flesh. Protean is used to transform, even if it is to transform into a flames.
There is also "Mythic Form" deeper in the discipline, and slow changes of the transformations.

So did Lacroix really betray the Camarilla or was it a Kuei Jin trick all along

why can't it be both?
Kuei Jin were trying to trick you into helping them, but Lacroix was also trying to gather power in ways the Camarilla doesn't approve of

I think it's particularly Tzimisce within the Sabbat who are pretty depraved, like most members of that sect. It's unfortunate that most of the significant Tzimisce are Sabbat.

Why is she such a slut? Is it something ingrained to every Malkavian?

Gangrel can turn into any kind of predator or scavenger, even a swarm of smaller animals. Mountain lion is totally a possibility in p&p. The african offshoots turn into panthers and other local predators.
There's also a bloodline that is accustomed to marine environments and turns into aquatic predators. I'd have to check the wiki for their name.

they're not depraved, they're inhuman
results can be the same but the intent and emotion behind it is completely different
depravity is for clans that still have strong ties to their humanity

But I'm specifically referring to his alleged alliance with the Kuei Jin. If you side with Strauss he gets on his knees pleading that he wants to destroy the Kuei Jin, there's no way a Ventrue would fake something like that.

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No, its just her. Her split personality madness gave her two personas of the extreme opposites

One is a big slag.

The other is tsundere.

Tzimisce are in the Sabbat only to oppose the Tremere. Otherwise they shit on the Lasombra any chance they get. Serious superiority complex characterizes the whole clan.

game literally spells it out for you: she had a pre-existing serious mental condition which was amplified by her malkavian blood

each malkavian is unique in their insanity, compare her to Grout, both are about as mad but they're completely different beasts

>be confident in your dominance
>think what you've built for centuries will last just as long
>everything taken away not just by any clan but by an upstart group of mages that barely qualify as kindred to begin with

that must have hurt their ego something fierce

LaCroix made a deal with the Kuei-Jin for an uneasy alliance to their mutual benefit. The terms of the deal itself were treasonous enough to the Camarilla at large, but LaCroix only made the plans banking on being able to do whatever the fuck he wanted once he'd completed a good ol' antedeluvian diablerie to become more or less the most powerful active vampire before Gehenna.

Both attempt for a follow-up power play, with Ming trying to finish the Camarilla completely and LaCroix attempting to silence his coconspirator.

Also

>the upstart group of mages use your comrades' blood and that of some poor Gangrel and Nosferatu to create Gargoyles and send them to fight you

The worst thing to happen to a Tremere is being caught alive by the Tzimisce. Eternal suffering, both mental and physical, guaranteed.

VTMB thread reminder: Unused tracks > OST.

not so much for Gangrel and Nosferatu, but doing that shit to the Tzimisce is just good ol' poetic justice

>extreme opposites
>big slag
>tsundere

so Tsundere is the height of purity and non-slutness?

Which's the superior clan and why it's the Nosferatu?
>you'll never be a Nossie and shitpost in the SchrekNet

But you'd have to take Ming's word for it. Jack had a hand in a lot of things as well, he pretty much always knows what you're doing. The first time he implied that Lacroix tipped off the Sabbat about me blowing up their warehouse made Jack suspect for me.

because acting like a giant cockslut ironically helps her maintain her humanity

If you guys want to read some real disturbing shit you should search and read the Tzimisce, Giovanni and Baali clanbooks, you can find them in pdf form somewhere on the internet.

>child rape
>bugs crawling out of people's penises
>embrace through fellatio
>snuff porn
>most of them illustrated with creepy drawings

Shit upset me more than any Silent Hill game

Only 1/4 of those are disturbing.

my penis is upset

More like Nigloper.

>Jack had a hand in a lot of things as well, he pretty much always knows what you're doing.
that's probably because he was doing caine's bidding

Is there absolutely, positively no possible way to bring old world of darkness back? No way for it to continue? It has to be over? New World of Darkness isn't bad but it's clearly redesigned to be more open ended and barebones to completely role play everything.

He was just using the Kuei Jin, he thought once he got the sarcophagus and diablerized the antediluvian he thought was inside he'd become powerful enough to destroy the Kuei Jin and then climb to the top of the Camarilla hierarchy.

Why? They just sat there in their Transylvanian castles breeding their weird half-ghoul revenants and having the time of their lives. They are highly territorial, all the bullshit could've been avoided if other vamps just stayed out of Transylvania and the Balkan.

>wherefores of whatever
it's cringeworthy shit with a side of fedorian edge

I have a hard to understanding what good all that happened in that game was to Caine. It seems as if he's just killing time.

Some faggot studio just needs to get a license, and make a good video game about it.

4 u

Powerful Gangrel can shapeshift into damn near anything
The toppest of tier protean just straight up becomes the planet

Paradox is making a Werewolf game.

Well the toppest disciplines are bullshit in each school

>muh control the entire world through their dreams

I sleep better if I just ignore the last tiers.

Damsel best girl.

edgy

all caine has is time. technically that wasn't really caine because in the lore he's somewhere else, but the game definitely intended him to be caine. anyway, he's maybe just fucking around. maybe he didn't like lacroix getting involved with the kuei-jin

hot

It kinda is, it probably had that effect on me because I was young when I read through those.

No matter how many times I play, I always pursue her. It also helps that the bar is comfy as fuck.

*blocks your path*

where are you going Cammy?

fucking cucks love their feminist morons

I take it you meant VV?

>he's just killing time.

He's spent the last 12000 years on this earth walking around being immortal. He has to amuse himself somehow.

Not only feminist but a damn communist as well

i know that deep down VV doesn't love me though, she just toys with me to get what she wants
damsel is just a tsundere

that would be "old clan tzimisce" which are more like dracula

I've only recently read that Clanbook Baali flavor text with the Catholic bishop and the altar boy who's really an ancient vampire and it made me crack a smile.
Not all of WoD is that bad, but sometimes it tries so hard to be edgy it's funny.

post yfw the entire clan of gypsies got killed off in 1999

Week of Nightmares, best day of my life

same thing really, feminism was spawned by communist infiltration as means to further divide the classes

Yukie was the best and actually helps you fight off Kuei Jin

Nigger, have you never heard of Sascha Vykos?

I thought it was Capitalism. Men never would've paid for L'oreal products for example, but now that women have their own income they'll gladly spend fortunes on the byproducts of oil refining just because the TV ads tell them smearing it on their face will make them Claudia Schiffer.

Oh, I'm sooo impressed. What? Like, you want me to like thank you or something? In your dreams, bitch.

More importantly, where the fuck does he go on LaCroix's ending? Does he send him somewhere else since the player is more effective and possibly more loyal?

>got killed off in a crossover
>a crossover where the Kuei-Jin and the Technocracy shat all over their Antediluvian

gypsies eternally BTFO

men and women alike have been purchasing cosmetics since before america was discovered brah

get some perspective

>Is there absolutely, positively no possible way to bring old world of darkness back?
It's not much, but there's the Vampire 20th Anniversary stuff, if you didn't already know.

Bitch was really lucky I was in the to finish all quests legit way

Can you name some games that has moments similar to pic related?

Gonna cast blood purge bitch.

The cosmetics in themselves weren't my point, just an example. My point was that women are more easily duped into buying shit they don't need.

But VV is actually nice though - she's empathetic and cares for humans.

Tzimiscefag here, but it should be said Ravnos survived literally days of sunlight, japvamps, and lolmages. Guy had Fortitude out the wazoo.

>It seems as if he's just killing time
That's part of gods punishment basically.

I didn't legitimately finish this game. I did a full melee build and couldn't for the fucking life of me kill the final bosses so I just cheated myself a flamethrower and increased my health.

Fucker took a magic Nuke. Said nuke weakened the prison of the Fallen, even in death gypsies causes grief.

Me too. The last parts of the game were clunky and half assed.

>Lacroix believed he could actually diablerize one of these things

And most of the Wraith shit is happening because to take out ol' Ravnos they dropped the spirit of a bomb on the spirit of a city or whatever the fuck and opened a rift between the realms, blame gyppos for ghosts too.

Hundreds of thousands of poo-in-loos died in the crossfire so that's nice.

>ywn be kindred and exterminate dozens of chink vamps with a human Jap girl

No, she obsesses.

The only thing that interests me is the beecock and I want to know why bugs come out of dicks. The vampires dicks? Human dicks? What

>not wanting VV to obsess over you

the whole sequence was more awesome in my head than in the game, especially if you're also fighting with a sword and she has your back with her crossbow.

Man, if its one thing I miss about oWoD other than playing a Tzimisce its Wraith. Really fun times.
I do like how they wove all that together- ghost of a nuke on ghost-city wrenches open the gates to "hell" allowing the Malfeans (demons) to break free.
Actually Demon wasnt that bad of a game either, if pretty overpowered.

ALL DICKS

Joking aside Baali of the Swarm-kind breed insects within their bodies, said insects are filled with vampire vitae and in some cases the Baali embrace is shoving a bunch of vitae-filled wasps down someone's throats.
These vamps can unleash the entire swarm by cutting up their abdomen with a knife. Sometimes the bugs crawl out of their orifices. Any orifice.

he still killed 3 Bodhisattvas and a small army of technocratic Space Marines before going down, not to mention the millions of innocent humans who died in the crossfire

he was a tough son of a bitch

Werent Baali an offshoot of Salubri? Or was that more non-canon shit?

So can they fire wasps from their cocks as an attack method?

>the millions of innocent humans
>humans

It happened in India, don't exaggerate.

No, they were some secluded vampire tribe in the desert who appeased some great underground deamons with carnage. Their shindig was throwing mutilated corpses down this huge dry well. They are only a bloodline because any representative of any clan can become a Baali if they start practicing dark magic. Most of them infiltrate other clans, especially the Tremere for that mad magical knowledge.

The Tzimisce tendency to use Vicissitude to shape themselves into such inhuman looking monsters has been linked to the taint of Kupala. It was mentioned in one of the Dark Ages rulebooks, by one Tzimisce, how every time they fleshsculpted themselves, something kept chipping away at the human form they were born with. I mean, yeah, they can make themselves look normal on the spot if they want to, but the older Tzimisce have been exposed to the Kupala taint for a long, long time and they have moved on from those kinds of views and beliefs. Like Vykos.

Forgot to mention the Salubri were especially good at hunting them, but shit went sour when the Tremere wiped out the Salubri.

>embrace through fellatio

Honestly, that sounds more like the Toreador thing to do than any of the ones you mentioned. Whose was it anyway?

I can't remember, are the Old Tzimisce also tainted by Kupala? Because they don't have access to Vicissitude.

Giovanni. If you read the sourcebook Giovanni are degeneracy incarnate. Incest on all levels.