At least we can all agree that Persona 5 is by far the weakest game of the 3 mainline persona games, right?

At least we can all agree that Persona 5 is by far the weakest game of the 3 mainline persona games, right?

>not as comfy anymore as P3/P4
>sojiro just a shitty version of dojima
>ending is just a massive asspull to present you a final boss
>too much femdom for insecure beta males
>boring and uninteresting main party
>no chemistry between party members
>male social links by far the worst in the series
>only one acceptable romance option
>worst velvet room attendant to date
>actual dungeons are a mixed bag, some of them are so fucking awful that they made the tartarus look good
>puzzles for actual toddlers
>music is mostly shit
>mascot character has too much control over your life
>questionable balance where 90% of the game is piss easy but sometimes they throw ridiculous enemies in your way that most likely will just kill you on your first encounter

It's a shame that we've been waiting for so long just to play a mediocre version of P3.

I agree.

I disagree.

I disagree.

I agree

I disagree

I'm uncertain.

I disagree

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>made the tartarus look good
That's all I wanted to say.

Nostalgia Glasses.

4>5>3

>Dojima is better than Sojiro

YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING WHORE MOUTH BEFORE I FIND WHERE YOU LIVE AND SHUT IT FOR YOU

Uhm...

>people still pretending to like 4

You can stop now.

how is it pretending

it had a great premise, characters, progression, and there was no shitty hip hop like 3

In the trash OP

People who unironically dislike ANY of the music from this series are completely retarded.
I mean why bother pretending to like this game if you don't love how well every aspect of it comes together?

Nah, it's definitely much better than 4. Not sure if it's better than 3 yet, but not as good as either of the 2 games.

>trashing 3's music

3 had a lot of flaws but this is crossing the line

the hip hop was laughably bad

maybe it's called not being a blind fanboy

or a redditor judging by the gif

Being blind to a game's flaws, even just aesthetic ones, doesn't make you a better, more pure fan. It just means that someone else's work means too much to you.

No. 3 is the worst because
>can't control teammates except in shit psp version
>have to leave the dungeon cause I'm tired
Fuck both of those

>but not as good as either of the 2 games
This is the trashiest hipster opinion in these threads.
Imagine if in Persona 5 you went into a palace, and it was the same square room repeated 10 times, and you could easily win every battle by setting it to auto mode, including the boss.
Keep in mind that there would be random battles every five steps, and they would each take around 5 minutes despite requiring next to no input from you

Almost all of those is
>I remember P3 and P4 way more positively than they actually were.
Especially Persona 3 on social links, male characters, Tartarus, and the difficulty.

>People who unironically dislike ANY of the music from this series are completely retarded.

Wow you totally don't sound like a raging fanboy. 2-3-4-5 all have two or three undesirable tracks.

>3 mainline persona games

I think you meant 3 worst persona games, user-kun

Has been long enough that we have to pretend a great game is bad now? How the time flies.

Sojiro is fucking great stfu

SOJIRO BEST BOY

there's enough P5 threads on Sup Forums every single day that it's a wonder contrarians haven't gone all in yet

>being even more contrarian than OP

Are you gay?

I can respect your shitty opinions and we can agree to disagr
>sojiro just a shitty version of dojima
Nevermind, you're a faggot.

Nah I've just actually played P2: IS and understand it's the best of any Persona game, even though persona games are the worst aspect of SMT.

I still class the PSP port of P2 as the best port of all time, literally makes the game so much more streamlined, soundtrack somehow gets better and to top it all off the core story and characters are far more interesting than shitty waifus.

But lisa is the best waifu

How does all 3 managed to have the shittiest main villaims consecutively?

Not talking about the obligatory gods at the end

>3 mainline persona games

>P3 faggots in an autismal rage because their emo tragedy got outdone by the 5, just like it got outdone by the Person 4 before this

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!

...

here's your (you)

>when the fsteak is just right

Adachi was a poor mans Kira

We atleast got to understand the latters intentions and motivation through his series instead of dumping pathetic explanation at the end and actually see him stuggle like a protag

>not liking shido
>not wanting to make Japan great again
Trying too hard user

>P4 faggots autismal salt because their waifus have been outdine by P5, just like they got outdone by P3 before them

This desu
The joke is over

>Adachi kills people because it's interesting and he was disappointed in not having talent or a an exciting life
>Kira kills people because it's his nature and he just wants everything to stay the same
They are literally the exact opposite you dumb jojofag.

Wow man you sound like a real

BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY

>male social links by far the worst in the series

They are literally better than NOTHING (P3)

If we're talking in general, then I have to remind you that of the male links you had access to in P3, only two of them were any good. (Tower and Sun)

Sorry to break it to you user, but Ginko IS a whore, a literal one at that

Patrician answer
When will SLink fags learn?

>sojiro just a shitty version of dojima
Backwards, my man. Sakura is a father figure done much better than Dojima was

>ending is just a massive asspull to present you a final boss
Exactly like 4

>only one acceptable romance option
I know you're talking about Makoto, you buttmonkey. Fuck you. I love my smelly NEET.

>worst velvet room attendant to date
Shit taste. You don't like aggressive lolis?

>actual dungeons are a mixed bag, some of them are so fucking awful that they made the tartarus look good

Hell no. Compared to Tartarus, there're all an improvement. Even the spaceport. I don't even know why people dislike the spaceport, honestly.

>mascot character has too much control over your life
You had just as little control before. Now they've put a face to it.

>Being surprised that a waifubait dating simulator isn't a legitimately good game

You have no one to blame besides yourself.

>worst velvet room attendant to date
Caroline is kinda eh, but Justine is a 10/10 autism loli.

>hating on my Sojibro

I will not fucking stand for this bullshit. Sojibro is best boy and has best girl for an adoptive daughter.

Sounds like these shit post threads are constantly back pedalling because there's no concentrated hate for the game. Can't wait for Death Stranding to be on PS4 first so we can spoil everything in Sup Forums

I know you think you're pretending to be retarded, but you are actually retarded.

Agreed. My issue with S.Links is that it's poor writing if I can only learn more about them through spending time with them, and I could play through the entire game not knowing anything about them.

They're party members so they're pretty integral to the story, so I should learn about them through the story. P3 kind of did it but some of the persona evolutions were so dumb (e.g. Fuuka). P2 did it perfectly, and true ending route in P1 did it pretty well too.

Ginko is PURE. Just because she worked at a hostess club doesn't mean that she was a whore.

>I don't even know why people dislike the spaceport, honestly
I didn't enjoy Spaceport much because some of the later stages of the dungeon were a bit tedious.

but I'm only pretending that I'm not retarded

>My issue with S.Links is that it's poor writing if I can only learn more about them through spending time with them, and I could play through the entire game not knowing anything about them.

It's a game about time management and balancing your secret and social lives. Why does learning more about a person as you spend time with them not make sense if that's exactly how you do it in real life anyway you genuine autismo

Someone explain this. I'm at 70. Why the fuck is the AVERAGE super over leveled?!

No idea. I fought everyone i saw and th average was still usually like 5 over me.

2IS >2EP > 1 > 5 > 3 >>>>> 4

People are abusing the Black Ooze and Reaper shit.

>1
>Not dead last
Guess how I can tell you're just bullshitting.

I really hate that shit
Not that I love turn based combat but gimping the game for your min maxing is so stupid
At that point just play on casual/safe mode

>not as comfy anymore as P3/P4
But it's much more comfortable than Persona 3, which just feels oppressive most of the time and I personally hate rural areas, so I couldn't enjoy that aspect of P4 either.
>sojiro just a shitty version of dojima
Sojiro is actually a decent father
>ending is just a massive asspull to present you a final boss
No, it isn't.
Haven't you maxed out the Strength social link? Haven't you noticed that Igor has a different voice?
>too much femdom for insecure beta males
Are you talking about the Twins? That's not really "femdom for insecure beta males"
>boring and uninteresting main party
The only genuinely unlikable party members are Ryuji and Ann, because they're basically retarded.
>no chemistry between party members
But that's wrong.
>male social links by far the worst in the series
But that's also wrong.
>only one acceptable romance option
They're all decent. Except Haru.
>worst velvet room attendant to date
All three of them are great.
>actual dungeons are a mixed bag, some of them are so fucking awful that they made the tartarus look good
And some of them were really good.
>puzzles for actual toddlers
It's a raising sim with dungeon crawling elements, what are you expecting?
>music is mostly shit
nah
>mascot character has too much control over your life
The problem is that it tightens your schedule up, so the game is actually somewhat challenging.
>questionable balance where 90% of the game is piss easy but sometimes they throw ridiculous enemies in your way that most likely will just kill you on your first encounter
No, that doesn't really happen, if you're not awful.

>Except Haru
Now I'm gonna need you to delete that post real quick partner.

Maya is cute. Sell me on her games

But you don't have to give a shit about levels the moment you hit level 51 and you understand how fusion works. Because once you max Strength you can just fuse something with decent resists and Invigorate 3 and Life Aid and you're never ever running out of SP, which means you can clear the rest of the game without a party.

its not just the tediousness of specific sections but the way the whole thing is set up that makes it feel like you're barely making progress.
you go from a lab to an office suite to a factory to space docks and finally to a ufo, and the whole time it feels like its never going to run out of new sections to make you go through

Don't forget about the Emperor bro.

Why are most of the P3 party members garbage?

I didn't max strength, barely even knew about it.

Not everyone is going through these games looking for absolute 100% efficiency.

morons who didn't max out the twins social link and actually had to grind xp to get the endgame personae

>No, that doesn't really happen, if you're not awful.
Oh yeah. It's not like enemies have hama / mudo spells that can actually just oneshot your protagonist. And before you try to tell me that you're supposed to use bless / curse repel/null/absorb, it's not like you know beforehand which shadows use what spells. Even fucking bosses can at times just mudo your ass without warning. Unless you're using a guide you'll never see it coming.

That's 4, and hopefully they'll never fall so low again.

>tfw didn't rank up strength because I didn't know you could talk to the twins in the velvet room through the bars and didn't know how to progress
Am I retarded?

>Implying anyone gives a shit about Mr. NO SMOKING IN MY BATHROOM

>you're such a moron for not doing this part of the game
>why didn't you put 5 more hours into finding out the optimal confidant per day? wow pathetic!
>what? well no I don't have a job, why does that matter?

Just because you have nothing else in life doesn't me the rest of us just want a fun experience.

I had the same thing happen, didn't know until long past the point of return

nope, nice try though

>Sojiro bad
Ice cream paint job uncle sojiro is the bro-est confidant who outshines even your male teammates

>>too much femdom for insecure beta males

I bet this celiac doesn't even eat cake.

Do people dig on 4 for the sake of hating it or is it really that bad? It looks like it improves the gameplay from 3.

Madison Avenue set Persona game when?

actual dungeons already make it better than the previous two
go play 3&4 after 5 and you'll want to kill yourself

I like it, but then I really like Persona 1 so what do I know

It does.

It's a pure dungeon crawler with an interesting story and great atmosphere. No S Link filler or simplified skill pool for idiots, either. Leave P1 alone.

I dunno, when I look at this game I just think of it as something like Princess Maker. And fusing stuff is really what makes the game fun.

Why do you have no repel/null/absorb curse/bless personas?
Most of them get really good skills and have really nice stats, even early on.

>Why do you have no repel/null/absorb curse/bless personas?
Did you not read my post? Those are useful IF you know that the enemy has those spells. If you don't know that the enemy has hama / mudo spells why would you have curse / bless defense and potentially other weaknesses that other enemies in the very same dungeon might be strong against? The only way to know what kind of enemies are in a palace and what spells they have is by reading a fucking guide.

I didn't like that most group conversations ended up being phantom thief related. Also pacing is awful you have a lot of days w/o nothing to do dye to story issues.

They are both good for different reasons.

I feel the same.

5>4>3

Just P3 fags who clinch on an average story by SMT standards and the dark tone. P4 is way better than 3 on every other aspect.

I'm on the final day of the game where you go around and get items for NG+, I currently have 18 of them with only Fool and Justice left. Can I even get those?

Fool, Magician and Justice, my mistake.

Can I finish the game now? It's been 105 fucking hours.

It was well-liked upon release for a while, much like P5. Not sure when opinions turned on it, but maybe all the spin-offs made people wary of it.

Then you walk out the front door, hop into the velvet room and fuse something that works.
And as I said, many null curse/bless things are really good.

For example Neko Shogun, who has null bless and gets Invigorate 1, there's no reason not to use him, if you don't have something better.

And you should have him as soon as you hit the required level, because you need to fuse him for the Strength social link.

The only improvement 4 has on 3 is that it lets you control party members. Everything else was downgraded from 3. No more multiple phys elements, it was just simplified to one Phys (even P5 does better by having both Phys and Gun), elements in general are just down the most basic they've ever been in an SMT game (again P5 thankfully addressed this with the Psy and Nuclear elements), and the game's difficulty was significantly reduced. P4 is still the most babby easy game in the franchise.

I disagree.