Undead can be killed in Darksouls, then why call them undead?

Undead can be killed in Darksouls, then why call them undead?

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Only Abyss watchers showed immortality in the game. At least they came back to life several times.

Wasn't the point of the Undead to die over and over again till they hollowed? As well as being used as slaves by the gods and fodder for wars during the ages of light? Like how do they die?

He's not dead. His daughter even talked about how she has to kill him sometimes.

You can kill them in every game I've played

Kill it until it became pink pulp.

They hollow when they lose their motivation or someshit like that
Also the undead curse only happens when the flame starts to die out. There are npcs who just wanna light the flame so they can finally die

>Lords of Cinder are powerful enough to survive linking the flame
>Gwyn survived it
>Ludleth survived it
>Aldrich survived it
>Yhorm survived it
>The Chosen Undead and The Ashen One don't

i dont get it, we kick the shit out of all the other lords of cinder but we aren't strong enough to survive linking the flame when they were?

The whole 'curse' thing is that they never really die, even when they're killed they are just reborn at the bonfire.
They die and are reborn in an endless cycle, until they go mad. Not that the cycle ends there, but now they're mindless and hostile.

So every random undead or hollow soldier/mook that you fight and kill in the 3 games ends up reviving in their own timeline at the nearest bonfire?

Who says they didn't survive?

It would explain why enemies would respawn

Supposedly, but VIDEOGAME will spawn them at their given location. You could just take it as them shambling off to the last point they really knew or cared for. I know there's plenty of descriptions over the games that says all hollows are reborn at the fire, but I can't think of any reason as to why they wander back to those points, other than GAME.

>who says they don't?
Literally this, the Lords of Cinder that we chase down are the ones that shirked their duty. Pretty sure if you went link the flame as the chosen undead, despite straight up having the choice to say no, then you'd do it again when the time comes back around.

It's not really immortality, it's one shared soul

You don't necessarily have to be reborn at the fire
Seath manages to fuck up your respawn point remember and the bonfire you are next to there isn't even lit.

Also dosen't help that time is twisted and detached

>Literally this, the Lords of Cinder that we chase down are the ones that shirked their duty.

They linked the flame in their own time, survived it 'like Gwyn' and died normally. When Lorian refused to link the fire, the fire revived the past few Lords of Cinder and it was then that they decided to not link it again.

They shirked their duty the second time, not the first.

didn't onion-man die right after the Yhorm fight? when you walk back his armour is there, and you get a thousand souls, which presumably every NPC gives when you kill them.
Did he kill himself to prevent himself from hallowing? Because I am sure he mentioned that he was undead too.

>DSIII's lords of cinders survived

They didn't though, they all died linking it and were brought back before the ashen one in the hopes they could kindle it again.
The lords you hunt down are the last great beings to the link the flame and even then it takes 5 of them to muster enough strength to potentially kindle it

Because you fight them when they're weakened state. You're shit compared to their best state.

And who said we don't desu

Fair enough. Regardless they didn't exactly "survive it" they were revived, weren't they?
Arguably they were either more recent or more powerful souls than Chosen Undead, so there was no reason to revive him.

>They didn't though, they all died linking it and were brought back before the ashen one in the hopes they could kindle it again.

darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Lord of Cinder

>Lord of Cinder in Dark Souls 3 is a title given to those who once were mighty enough to Link the Flame and survive the massive burst of flame.

See that's nice and all but guess what the intro to the game starts with?
The lords of cinders rising from their graves.

what would a game be like where you play as Yhorm the Giant in his quest to link the flame? Or even Aldrich or Ludleth?

Several Hollowed enemies don't respawn though. Havel, Gwyn, Black Knights, Firelink NPCs, Artorius

Gwyn is a literal god in the universe, he gave seath and the 4 kings a part of his soul and still linked the flame.
I didn't play 2, so I can't comment on Ludleth.
Aldrich is an abomination of a man, who devoured the child of a god, he's way up there in power himself.
Yhorm is pretty fucking strong as well, but not on god level (or at least I didn't get that feeling from the lore they gave).
But the whole surviving thing isn't what's going on, they're being resurrected by the cycle in DS3, because a certain someone chose to -not- link the flame then the universe essentially resurrected the others in order to take the bastard's place.
But the resurrected linkers didn't want to link the flame either, for their own reasons, so the ashen one has to go and take their souls so that he will have the required power level in order to link the flame.

Because they become unundead when you kill them.

Gwyn and his knights aren't exactly human but yeah its probably because GAME

>weakened state meme

I hate this bullshit. Chosen Undead killed the manifestation of all humanity, something that made the best knight in Lordran go crazy just trying to reach.

And then he went and killed the worst of the ancient dragons that even Gywn was scared of, by himself, for no reason other than it was a fun fight. Chosen Undead strong.

>Gwyn
>Artorius
>Black Knights
>Hollow

None of them are human and so none of them can go hollow.
The dark sign and everything included is exclusive to humans.

undead can be killed in ever fucking game with undead you fucking idiot

That's the wierdest part, isn't it. Maybe they wandered off to the battlefield they really were most familiar with, and that's not here.
Firekeepers aren't hollow, as far as I remember. And DS1 showed through example that you can resurrect them with their soul, but they simply don't resurrect on their own.

Weakened state would only apply to Gwyn and Artorias anyway, everyone else is either about the same or stronger than they were in the past.

Is Sieglinde the most hardcore NPC in the game? She beasted through Lordran despite being a normal human.

If you walk up to the throne immediately after talking to him, once he's napping but before you get teleported to the Dancer, you can see him collapse and die.

>Gwyn is a literal god in the universe, he gave seath and the 4 kings a part of his soul and still linked the flame.

He's not a literal god and neither is his race of 'gods'. not even close.

>I didn't play 2, so I can't comment on Ludleth.

Ludleth wasn't in 2 he introduced in 3.

>Aldrich is an abomination of a man, who devoured the child of a god, he's way up there in power himself.

He didn't do that until he was revived to link the flame again. He didn't devour any god in his first quest when linking the flame.

maybe they didn't shamble back to the same spot after respawning at the bonfire and decided to fuck off somewhere else.

She's strong

Bitch got stuck in a crystal was about to get dragon-tentacle raped til you save her

So when you die in Dark Souls, do you come back to life in the same world you were in before? Or do you jump to a different timeline?

Is there some mod that shows you the exact stats of NPC's when summoned? That to me is really cool.

>Regardless they didn't exactly "survive it" they were revived, weren't they?

They did survive it (and "survive it" in your terms) and died later on in their lives. Linking the fire had nothing to do with their eventual deaths.

Nah gwyn and his people are like a God race one trait they all possess is that their size translates to their strength or just being naturally taller than humans

>weakened state
>not applying to Papa Nito
Nigga had Pinwheel stealing his powers while napping

>26 resistance

You know it is possible to die by some other means after you linked the flame right? The flame needs to be linked once per 'cycle' and a cycle can last hundreds of years if not more.

Just because they died doesn't mean they died linking the flame. BECAUSE BEING A LORD OF CINDER EXPLICITLY MEANS THAT YOU SURVIVED LINKING THE FLAME.

>26 resistance

Are you retarded?

I think each undead is in their own sort of universe and has their own timeline, and different undead's universes can align with eachother and they can meet and interact. But then the universes go out of alignment again and they disappear for a while. Its why you meet npcs at different points in their journeys but you never see them inbetween, presumably there are hundreds of other npcs having their own journeys but their universes never align with yours so you never meet them.
You can use soapstones to force your way between universes but only as a phantom

You can control the NPCs with the debug build

Can't have been much power he stole considering the pinwheel fight.

I might be

Same world, same timeline. Resurrection occurs over time, not across worlds.

>None of them are human and so none of them can go hollow.

Then why was Gwyn hollow when you fight him in DaS? Nameless King is hollow too.

Some NPCs have really weird stat distributions.

>He didn't level up resistance

Oh yeah, the little fucker is ludleth, I forgot his name. "But I shall die a colossus"
But in the dark souls universe, Gwyn, Nito and the Witch are the owners of the souls, they are the gods of the universe they exist in.
Think of them more as the Greek/Roman pantheon and not the Christian God.
The fight of Greek gods against Titans is the Dark Souls gods against the immortal Dragons. The Greek gods did not fight the titans and come out unscathed themselves, but they are far beyond the reach of man.
This is the same sort of situation.
As for Aldrich, he's still an abomination of a man. Him being the creature he is was how he linked the flame, if you take in the intro video to DS3 as their moment of awakening. Aldrich was the slime already, was reborn and decided to have the progeny of Gwyn as a snack.

Gwyn wasn't Darksign hollow; it was a side effect of his soul being used as fuel for the First Flame.

That's a damn good question concerning the nameless king.
Might have something to do with that fact that he's easily countless millennia old if he's been around since the first linking of the fire

The power was put into trying to resurrect his family and not to strengthen himself.
Judging by the corpses in his chamber alone, it's alot of trying.

Fair enough.

They're gods because they are indeed inherently stronger than men, but they also mainly because don't have the darksign and suffer from the undead curse. They aren't deities by any means. Even comparing them to a Green Pantheon, they are still much closer to mortal men than the Greek Gods were.

Pinwheel succeeded though.
His family ended up bonding with him becoming some fucked up amalgamation, hence the three masks.

He's fucking buggering around with necromancy when you stumble across him

>Seath is old, blind and crazy
>Izalith is not even self aware
>Nito has been drained by fags for who knows how long

Manus is literally the only thing you fight in DaS 1 that is not a shadow of it's former self and while powerful, it's still just an animal.

If you found a way to bring back your dead loved ones but they were fused into your own body, wouldn't you think it possible to fix that and give them their own bodies?
You've beaten death by harnessing Nito's power, un-fusing them should be a simpler task.

Or maybe he's insane, which is also very likely.

I don't think so, Undead are shunned from normal humans, just not having the darksign doesn't make you a god

I'm say that having two maybe corpses maybe freshly resurrected people merge with you is a one way ticket to insanity

I forgot about Kalameet but everyone killed dragons in the franchise.

Seath is old and blind, but not less powerful. He was continuing his research, maybe he got stronger.

Witch of Izalith was just a bug, but she became the source of all demons. Hard comparison though because it's such a shitty fight.

>literally
You're forgetting about Kalameet, Gwyndolin, Four Kings...

>Gwyn, Black Knights
Not hollow, they were consumed by the flame
>Artorias
Not hollow either, he was tainted by the abyss and went mad

Surely doesn't sound comfortable.

My question that I've just thought of, is where did man come from exactly, did the pygmy just fuck off to some corner, start jerking off and suddenly mankind!
I don't remember coming across anything that described those events in any detail.

They're called gods because they ushered in the age of fire and were on the front line against the everlasting dragons.
They were at one stage pretty much gods in terms of power, but omnipotent, but they were easily the strongest things alive.
It's more of a sign of respect and possibly religious but it's not that they are actually omniscient beings

Specifically to annoy you.

I agree with this, just not the
>mainly because they don't have the darksign
part

Probably the same place the gods and giants came from.
They just popped up out of the grey one day.
There is no history before the first flame was found though so maybe everyone just existed since the beginning or maybe the other species beyond the Dragons slowly formed as time went on.

Gwyn et al locked the pigmy and his descendants in the ringed city so they couldn't rally mankind and bring about an age of man.
Just got explained in the ringed city dlc for das3

But not omnipotent I mean.

>You're forgetting about Kalameet
See Gwyn made the silver knights to fight dragons. Gwyndolin is as strong as a trap can be, now the FK I will give you that.

I should really get to that then. Thanks for the heads-up.

If I got it right it's something like this:

There are undeads, but the ones with the Darksign are the only ones to be restored at the bonfires... or something.

You can "destroy" an undead if you claim his Soul or souls though. Not the same with the Darksign bearers (player like).

A theory suggests that the age of fire would end just like the age of ancients and man would inherit the world in the age of darkness.
Gwyn said fuck that and found a way to link humanity to the fire and use the souls of humans to extend his time as ruler. But the fire still eventually goes out and the lords try other methods. Like the witch of Izalith creating another flame, or gwyn using the soul he got from the fire to power it. Humanity came from darkness just look at the humanity sprites in the first DaS

Gwyn locked the pygmy and his descendants up because they harnessed the dark as a weapon when fighting the Dragons which Gwyn was not a fan of since he was all about that light/fire.

Gwyn never had an issue with men as he saw them as misguided and lost but not evil, he had a massive issue with the Dark though.

wtf did he break his neck

The darksign is what makes a human undead, so all undead have the darksign (duh).
All undead revive at the bonfire, even the hollows you kill (in lore anyway, obviously in game they just repawn in the same spot because videogame. Just assume that they revived at the bonfire and wandered back to the same spot)

I'd like to see more NPC stats if you've got them

but isn't an age of dark an age of man?
I'm not a lore autist and only have a passing interest so maybe I'm totally wrong.

I thought gwyn hated the dark because it meant passing over control of the world to men instead of him being in control with the light, so he locked the pigmy up and created the undead curse to force men to bend to his will and keep his age of fire going.

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So why was Nameless King hollow?

>all the hollows in undead burg are the players who got to taurus demon and gave up

I never understood this. If you kill Crestfallen right away, why doesn't he come back to life?

Who said he was?
Probably got that look from age

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So if the guy that links the flame doesn't die (which means you become the next Gwyn?), and linking it makes the undead curse go away (for a while), that means linking the flame is the best outcome right?
As far as ds1/2 go at least.

Wtf are these stats. How can Xanthous be such a pushover but big boy Leeroy fucks my shit up errytime

maybe he's not hollow, maybe hes just so old he went mad, or he hates trespassers, or he just had a bad morning

What if he just devolves into another common hollow

If he is hollowed, it'd be from him giving up his purpose. He originally set out to slay dragons, but gave that up in order to protect them.
He didn't do a very good job of that.

But I'm in the camp that he's not actually hollowed, but ancient.

>but isn't an age of dark an age of man?
Why would you believe a jew snake?

he would, but he could just decide to fuck off and never come back, hence why you never see him again.