What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than Oblivion?

What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than Oblivion?
Skyrim is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
It is literally a game for N'wahs. Every fun element has been stripped.

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They are literal retards who were nursed back to life after being revived when taken out of the compost heap behind planned parenthood.

What kind of a Sup Forums insult is that lmfao.

They rode the hype train, and were probably too young to have played oblivion when it was new. Skyrim had a much larger playerbase, and to be fair I can understand people praising Skyrim when they haven't played enough other games to put the good and bad into perspective.

I miss athletism :'(

What's the people who compare TES games when they are all shit games with shit combat, forgettable stories and EPIC battles fought by armies of 5 NPCs?

You descirbed Skyrim.

>fps 37

What is the deal with people who consider Oblivion better than Skyrim?
Oblivion is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
It is literally a game for N'wahs. Every fun element has been stripped.

I described the entire franchise.
It was fucking hilarious playing Morrowind after listening to all the nostalgiafags and finding out it was a more basic Skyrim with, somehow, worse combat and some fucking abominations in place of humans.

>Skyrim is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
Its really nothing like that at all.

Comfiest game.

I'd play the shit out of it again if oblivion gates and level scaling were fixed.

Do people actually like Fallout 3 enough to say Fallout 4 was going downhill? Because Fallout 3 is a fucking dumpster fire, and even if 4's shit it's probably better.

>Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
Fallout 3 please. Lets not compare a generic Beth-turd with the best cRPG of all time.

I want athletics and acrobatics back. I hate that I can't go full retard on jumping in Skyrim.

Skyrim has more mods.

>What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than Oblivion?
Underaged fucks who started the series with Skyrim, and hardcore modders who have been modding TES since Daggerfall.

>Vanilla
Oblivion=Morrowind>Daggerfall>Arena>Skyrim
>Heavily modded
Skyrim>Oblivion>Morrowind>Daggerfall>Arena

Same retards who think Oblivion was better that Morrowind.

Fallout 3 at least had an emotional core to it and you could actually choose your what kind of person you were even if the result was the same. Fallout 4 didn't even present the illusion of choice. You were just one gup with a default personality already chosen

Everytime I try to replay Oblivion I just bored right away from the dull copy-paste environments and dungeons.

The same is for Skyrim, but I get bored of that because all the quests are so dull.

*guy

>Oblivion quest
>Dude is lost in his painting and needs help getting out

>Skyrim quest
>theres a cave full of not-zombies, go there and get an item in it

I tried playing Oblivion and dropped it after about an hour because the run speed was slower than skyrims walk speed.

you clearly started with oblivion if you think it's as good as morrowind

>Fallout 3 at least had an emotional core to it
I kind of didn't notice that in the face of my supermutant buddy telling me to die in the radiation machine that everyone wanted to turn on so hard the other guys sabotaged it and a gundam rampaged through the city because the BoS were the saviors of the world.

But maybe it got better in the DLC.

The Pitt was alright.

art design was better in Oblivion, but every time i install it/mod it to the max. i loose the will to play it

I played Oblivion before any other. Once I got hooked I went and bought Morrowind GOTY and its been my favorite ever since, only TES I haven't played is Redguard. Oblivion has weird comfy moments that just work. Morrowind has the most quality, Skyrim is the most accessible. I feel like I prefer mods for Morrowind more because they rely on text naturally but Skyrim has some really good ones. Nobody prefers Oblivion for its mods, pain in the ass that was.
What is with people who gottagofast? You know as you play and increase your attributes you move faster? It's called player progression. My problem with Skyrim is there's no curve, it's a fucking flat progression, even the shouts rarely get beefed up at full power.

>Skyrim to TES is what Fallout 4 was to Fallout
How da faq does that work? Then what the fuck Fallout 3 was to Fallout? aside from garbage

Actually I started with Daggerfall when I barely knew how to read my own language, let alone english. No idea why it was on my father's pc, like Doom or Lemmings since I never saw him play them.

And this is a shit argument, that's literally the same as saying "you can only like bloodborne more than souls games if you started with it, you can only think DMC3 is better if you started with it, RE4? pff, you think it's good because it's your first". And in this particular case, it's the same as saying "only someone who started with Morrowind can think it's better than the others".

Oblivion does things better than Morrowind, and things worse, but the overhaul result is just better.

god, oblivion is the ugliest game in the series

Comfy as fuck.

I never really understood the hate oblivion gates get, though. What's the problem with them?

Starting with Daggerfall, I'm suprised you're having issues understanding why people argue Morrowind>Oblivion
People said the same thing when Morrowind came out, that mechanically it was a casualization of the franchise.

Oblivion was a game for N'wahs. Their dark elves looked like grey humans with red irises.

A really dumb one that doesn't seem to understand how the world works. Bet they're a kid.

The ending to F3 was shit but if we're judging Bethesda games by the ending they're all shit. F3 was better than F4 because it had multiple quests more involved than anything in F4 and had multiple ways to approach them.
F3 tells you to rescue some enslaved kids then lets you buy your way in, enslave some people to get in, get let in for being evil or shoot your way in. Once inside you can help them sneak out, jailbreak them, buy them or just shoot everyone.
In F4 you've always got one option, shoot everyone. And that's ignoring the tacked on settlement building, the dialogue non-choices, the pipe shit weapons everywhere and legendary weapons that are just dicerolled crap instead of actual unique gear, the boring dlc and the rushed out way the game gives you power armour and has you kill a deathclaw leaving nothing to build up from there.

F3 is still a good enough companion to NV to make Tale of Two Wastelands a fun experience but F4 is just awful.

Still looks better than Gothic 3.

Just mod them?
Jesus consolecucks are pathetic.

I know right, just enter the gate, tcl to the tower, enter, tcl to the top, take sigil stone, ???, profit

funny when you consider that Skyrim uses the same textures that Gothic used back in '06

Shut your whore mouth

Pretty pathetic post desu
why don't you take your consolewar shitposting to a separate thread

Morrowind is so bad in every area that isn't it's slightly above average story that it's an objectively worse GAME than oblivion

>bump
What did he mean by this?

Morrowind is a classic game for its world building not the story.

It's not an "objectively" worse anything, stop using that damn word. Morrowind certainly has many more RPG systems which are themselves more complex, and it also has much more original art direction.

Are you one of those people that think "real-time action combat = gameplay"? Because I really do wonder why such people insist on playing (and ruining) RPGs. Just play Dark Souls, it does real time combat much better than Skyrim and Oblivion ever did.

>learn invisibility enchantment
>enchant full set of clothes
>perfectly invisible

A game must really have nothing for it when the only positive thing people can say about it is it's "comfy". Sounds like some reddit attribute for a game.

Or maybe people like games that they find 'comfy'.

Certainly better than sperging out over other people liking some aspect of a game or using a specific word.

>Spend thousands of Septims
>harvest Golden Saint souls AND spend thousands of Septims
Full invisibility is a meme anyway
A lot of really well written quests, acrobatics was hilarious at high levels and spell making was fun. Shivering Isles and KotN were really well done expansions, and the Mehrunes Razor dungeon is one of the best in the entire series.

If you have to install gorillion mods to get a slight enjoyment out of the game, maybe the game isn't worth playing to begin with?

>Skyrim is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
It really isn't.
Skyrim still maintains the most important aspect of the TES series, which is that it is a Role-Playing Game.
You can't say that about Fallout 4.

We all wanted skyrim to be good, so we deluded ourselves that it was.

Modding is half the fun.

I don't know of any fun Oblivion element.
The only thing tes4 had going for it was the DB questline

>join murderes guild
>murder a bunch of people
>feel sad over murdering the qt with the beautiful booty
>chimp out and become a vampire
>now have to live a strict lifestyle and find some homeless man to suck blood off of for the rest of my life

...

Also

>character is an old man
>look older when 1-2 days without blood
>have the murderer's guild latex skintight bodysuit
>wear that everytime I suck blood out of someone
>literally a 6.8" old man walking around in a skintight leather bodysuit sneaking up on people to suck blood out of them

You are describing Oblivion, the exact moment the series went to shit.

With the amount of time it takes to polish a turd, you are better off fucking around with game engines if you enjoy making assets or implementing mechanics.

No, the consumers decided that it was good. Doesn't change the fact that, compared to the rest of the franchise, it was a major casualization (to appeal to the consumers that made it successful)
Dungeon delving was more fun in Oblivion than Skyrim. Maybe it's just me but finding enchanted items in Oblivion was more fun and reliable than in Skyrim. The level design and scaling still sucks though.

Morrowind has better combat and magic than skyrim
Its only problem is the understandibly terrible animations

Can someone link a modlist?

No it doesn't, it's all absolute trash that only brain damaged people could have thought it was acceptable to feature that in their game.
Not a single Bethesda RPG has ever had decent combat.

Skyrim has a better looking world and more intuitive gameplay. This is not up for debate. The only thing oblivion does 100% right is 3 quest chains, and everybody knows which ones.

I can get normies who prefer Skyrim to Oblivion etc but people who love Morrowind but still think Skyrim is better than Oblivion absolutely disgust me, how can someone be so blind?

>d20 combat
>bad
Literal cancer killing videogames, you're the reason popamole shit has taken over RPGs

> t. baby killing faggots who don't value human life because their fucked up sexual orientations prevents them from creating it.

Considering both games vanilla, ZERO mods, Skyrim is way better. Everything about Oblivion's core gameplay feels like absolute putrid shit compared to Skyrim's mediocre/passable gameplay. Oblivion doesn't have the roleplaying depth of Morrowind, but also doesn't have the decent action gameplay of Skyrim. The faces all look fucking terrible and they decided to make nearly every helmet open-faced. The level-scaling fucking ruins the entire game and is probably the worst mechanic I've ever seen in an RPG.

>skyrim having better world than morrowind

For mod creators, sure. But the average player enjoys installing new mods and enhancing their game. Even figuring out conflicts and fixing them, getting everything to work can be fun. A lot of times it just fucks up and you end up uninstalling everything though. Look man, I get it, Bethesda is lazy as fuck. A lot of their "innovations" have been taken straight from the Nexus front page. But the Elder Scrolls experience includes going out on your own and curating your own game experience. Is Morrowind a solid game? I think so and I've enjoyed countless hours of Vanilla/GOTY. But I've also enjoyed countless hours with the large amount of quality mods for it.

He isnt talking about Morrowind

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This is a good base, then you just do gameplay mods that change it if you want (I don't)

But both games are garbage unless you mod out their broken aspects, so it's a non-argument. Both are bad games that can be made into 9/10s with enough user-content.

He said better than Oblivion you mong.

My post was only comparing oblivion and skyrim.
Besides you can't tell what the hell morrowind's world looks like except bleak and foggy.

Roleplaying a stealth archer gets old eventually user.

Unless you make the slowest build possible somehow Oblivion is incredibly fast and floaty in comparison to Skyrim. Skyrim was even made to feel more weighty due to all the complaints about Oblivion.

>I'm suprised you're having issues understanding why people argue Morrowind>Oblivion
I don't have issues understand why people prefer Morrowind, the same way I don't have issues understand why other people prefer Oblivion, or Daggerfall.

Both are fantastic games (just like every TES, except Arena because fuck Arena), and people will prefer the one that rubs them in the right places, or the one that gives them the best nostalgia feeling.

And yes, when Morrowind came out, Daggerfags were sperging out about how dumbed down it is, and how the only good things was the pretty graphics, but it was an insult to the oldschool RPG genre. Then Morrowfags were sperging out when Oblivion came out "muh streamlining, b-but muh memeshit spells, but muh dice roll combat millenials ruining everything again fucking shits".

Like what you want, it's fine, just accept that not everyone has the same opinion. I like every TES game, and in a vanilla experience I think Oblivion is better, it's streamlined but still a great RPG, it's fun, I liked the art design more, everything is smoother, and you don't have to bother with dice roll mechanics that are great for turn based isometric RPG but have no place in a real time first person game.

But since, for me at least, TES games are designed with modding in mind, and you've never played a TES game if you don't severely mod them, my favorite is Skyrim. Because they improved a lot of things, and with mods I can fix every other thing they streamlined, making it the deepest TES game. And I've also had a boner for snow and dragons since I was 3.

Thank you based user for summing it up perfectly.

Morrowind is a great cRPG. Skyrim is a decent action RPG. Oblivion is a steaming turd.

Mostly agree with this post.

I really enjoy Morrowind, and I *can* enjoy Skyrim for what it is.

I do not enjoy playing Oblivion at all. And I've tried several times throughout the years. I just install, mod up to the gills, and quit after about an hour.

I plan on buying and playing Skyrim on the Switch too.

Both games are shit without mods.

In Oblivion, you make the game bearable to play.

In Skyrim, you make the game have some sort of depth.

Both are equally broken, just for different reasons. Skyrim is more enjoyable as-is without mods, but it's less satisfying because what it lacks is depth, not playability.

I prefer Skyrim to Oblivion simply because modding Oblivion is a pain compared to the lego style modding of Skyrim. They need to release Oblivion Remastered already so that problem can go away.

You don't recommend OOO or the other large gameplay overhaul?

Do any of the games have any spooky mods?

this

skyrim got a way better engine/gameplay but all the wrriting/quest are pure, pure garbage

I'm a freak, I enjoy the base game-play so you might want to just make your own decision on that.

I feel you bro, cheers, there's no reason to meme about the games. At the end of the day, we're fans.

>Everytime I try to replay Oblivion I just bored right away from the dull copy-paste environments and dungeons.
You need Unique Landscapes. And people say Better Dungeons is good, though I've never tried it.

I agree with you, just want to add something

Normal mods
Skyrim>>>> Oblivion

Porn Mods
Oblivion>>>>Skyrim

Oblivion was that bad

This guy gets it.

>Fallout 3 was to Fallout
That's what Oblivion was to TES.

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>popamole
back to rpgcodex nostalgiafag

Someone needs to false flag Morrowind webms to wake the thread back up.

>Oblivion ruined TES
It was merely a downgrade, not on the same scale as Fallout 3.

Oblivion is the worst of the modern TES games. Don't get me wrong, I do not like what Bethesda has turned the series into in the name of selling more copies.
The games have been "dumbed down" to appeal to a more casual player, I wish we could return to the days of Morrowind and New Vegas, but no, as time goes on and video games need to sell more in order to make up for their huge production costs and fancy graphics we will see the falout and Elder Scrolls games become more child or casual friendly.
Oblivion is clearly the half way point between the Bethesda RPG and the bethesda open world sandbox action-adventure game and this is why it is the weakest of the three ES games. Skyrim cannot be enjoyed if you go in expecting a hardcore role playing game where your actions have consequences and character building takes throughout, likewise, Morrowind can not be enjoyed as a casual experience that one can dip there toes into and go dungeoneering for a few hours.However skyrim can be enjoyed the way Morrowind cannot and vise versa. Oblivion is neither.
Oblivion is trapped in a strange purgatory where it is neither allowed to be a action adventure set in a strange, fascinating world nor can it be a complex role playing game about balancing factions, reputations and choices and so it is not fun.
Another reason Oblivion is so weak was briefly mentioned in that last paragraph, the world. Cyrodiil is not the frozen. beautiful, mountainous land steeped in Norse mythology that Skyrim is, nor is it the alien and intriguing land that isle of Vvardenfell was.
Oblivion is the middle child of the series, it is the stepchild that neither the mother nor father wishes anything to do with. It is bland and uninspired.

Nice opinion you got there, too bad the whole world has a different point of view.

>the world
C'mon it was fun as fuck to watch LotR and then play Oblivion.