What are some good space RTS/4X games? Ideally with good ship combat and civilization-building elements

what are some good space RTS/4X games? Ideally with good ship combat and civilization-building elements

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Endless Space and Stellaris are the first two to come to mind when thinking of empire building and ship combat. EVE Online might also be a good option if you like Anarcho-Capitalism in space.

Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion
The official Legends of the Galactic Heroes
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Homeworld

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>There are people on Sup Forums right now that don't think enlightened depostism is the best form of government.

Aurora 4x if you can resist a sleep curse and have a overclocked core i3 instead of processor.

Reinhard was fantastic, but there's no guarantee his descendants wouldn't end up as bad as the Goldenbaums

not that I'm supporting Yang and co.'s blind worship of democracy, mind you

Oberstein did nothing wrong

>russian
>chinese
>free

Imperial/Despotic rule is always the best as long as the man in charge is competent and doesn't get assassinated, see Imperial Rome as established by Julius Caesar and his nephew Octavian.

The problem with it is that it doesn't last
Even if the ruler manages to resist the draw of ultimate power, there's no guarantee that his descendants or successors won't become awful
Despotism has the ability to become both the best and the worst form of government

>oberstein did nothing wrong
Oberstein did everything wrong, Oberstein killed my waifu

i had fun with Galactic Civilizations 2 when i was into it
dont know anything about galciv 3 though

Mein Kaiser Mittermeyer, sieg sterben!


He wasn't even the best admiral.

>communism is the best when everybody is literal angel

>strawman
Die.

>Endless Space and Stellaris
>when thinking of ship combat

B8

Sword of the Stars

The ship combat blows the likes of SoaSE out of the water.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic... but the emperors that followed Augustus were literally the best of times for Rome, It's known as the 5 Great Emperors period... then it went to shit (Thanks Marcus Aurelius)

show me a fully functioning socialist/communist country
hint: don't say venezuela

homeworld
planetary annihilation

Stellaris

Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander is pretty cool, but it's more like X-COM in space with some story related choices and consequences. It does have good combat though.

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Sup Forums hates it for some reason but Distant Worlds is pretty good. It's like an easier to get into Aurora with actual, though retarded, AI

gala civ 2 is the best space 4x

is the humble monthly bundle worth it to get stellaris for $12?

>there's whiskey in the cabinet
>pour two glasses

Yeah, especially since there'll be more games and some of them might be good
Just get it, pirate all the DLC and use creamapi to unlock it

Delete this

If you just want to mimic the space combat portion of it on a smaller scale, Battlefleet will do that.

Shame this will never happen, though:
youtube.com/watch?v=ykZkAp2Z3qo

For 12$? Sure, it's fine game with huge modding potential.
Not too simple and not too complicated compared to other space 4x games.
But remember that this is Paradox so be ready to pay for upcoming DLCs or just cream them

I mean if he was alive Hilda and Reinhard might never marry, but the FPA would certainly had been annexed earlier and no fucking bullshit Iserlohn Republic.

Your waifu is shit
Pic related is the best waifu who died standing up to nationalist tyrants.

I'm still salty about that, her character and relationship with Yang was leagues better than Frederica

Augustus was followed by Tiberus (shit), Caligula (shit and possibly insane but it could just be senate character assassination), Claudius (better but not Augustus), Nero (incompentent), and then civil war, then a line of okay to good emperors, then almost civil war, then good ones, then Commedus (the worst, most incompetent of the lot) then civil war, then military dictatorship and series of horrible, horrible decisions that put power into the army and emperor alone.


Enlightened Despots are the great joke of human history. You want them so bad, and the good ones do incredible things, but they keep making you want to stick to a shitty system.

Bucock a best admiral

Is this still shit and inferior to GalCiv2?

Standing up for a terrible, broken, doomed ideology.

Not him:
You're forgetting one major thing that is barely covered when it comes to despots. The power isn't in the hands of the despot alone. He can be easily slain and replaced for he is, after all, still mortal. This is in contrast to democracy where the power is in the "people's" hands so they never feel the need to reach out for a despot to rule them, despite being ruled by one.

I just want a 4x game where I can roleplay as a tyranid hivefleet or cleanse/purge every alien with nuclear weapons or a genophage or something that would make someone call me edgy.

Being a total bastard in an empire management sim is shit I love to do.

>pic related
Also, imperialism isn't fascism. Just an FYI.

Even in his last moments he couldn't see that it was democracy that brought his nation to ruin.

Distant Worlds is literaly the best Space 4X game out there
There's also Aurora but that takes a special kind of autism

>RTS

Deserts of Kharak is underrated as fuck

>4x
Endless Legend

>he can be easily slain and is mortal.

This is probably the worst part of that system. For one, the good ones die (because they're human). The stupid bad despots get assassinated and then the nation is thrown into a possible civil war (those roman civil wars were about all that power being up for grabs). The bad, cunning despots maintain power for decades while they fester away the country (Look at Papa Desane of Haiti, literally the worst thing to happen to that country's history).

Despots are just a recipe for civil war. Democracy aint perfect, but there's just more cogs that need to fail before the system turns to war.

If President Trump were assassinated, there wouldnt be a power struggle between the House, the Senate, and the army over the Imperium of the United States.

>if only he was here..

youtube.com/watch?v=891JUSQplzU

To Yang:

>If that one friend of mine was still around today it would not be you before me now but your corpse

Pacifism is doomed in a world of space lasers. Or just a few cops with pistols.

>that one time the super quiet admiral speaks and the narrator notes the date and time it happened

Why is logh so good? How the hell did something of such immense quality come to be produced?

Crest/Banner of the Stars too.

>If President Trump were assassinated, there wouldnt be a power struggle between the House, the Senate, and the army over the Imperium of the United States

There wouldn't be a civil war but there would a lot of civil unrest, with antifa thinking that would be their signal to start shit and mourning Trump supporters bashing their heads in.

>kircheis dies about 40 episodes in
>series has about 100 episodes
I can't deal with this

>Game of Thrones has sooo many deaths, user!
>Don't get attached to the characters, you don't know who will die next!
Realistically speaking, there is no logical reason for war after we get into space. There are far too many resources and land. LoGH only has war because the Empire kept pursuing it to keep the rest of the subjects in line. But even then, Phezzan was allowed autonomy because of the money it brought in.

There is supposed to be a remake in the works but I'm nervous as fuck.


CLANG!

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LIIIIIIIIIBERTY STANDS FOR FREEDOMMMMMMMM

[humming intensifies]

>That time when Kircheis goes back home and sees how ill kept Reinhard former house is and discover the old woman living there lost all her sons to the war.

I don't know why this got me so bad.

>remake

Why remake what is already nigh-perfect?

youtube.com/watch?v=GACykwAEgts

I almost have to stop watching this video at the beginning alone when Lap pulls out the holographic of Jessica but passes away before he can even get a look at it.

the magician does not return..

>Why remake what is already nigh-perfect?
digital HD release is all I want

dvd quality is pretty painful these days on 1080p

>digital HD release

Your best bet is a remastering of the old film if they still have them around.

Although for Logh I don't know if you'd get the full benefit of 1080p. The movies look amazing for it though.

>friend like sci-fi
>talk him abut logh
>make him see the first opening
>nah, I'm not interested
>why?
>I mean, "in the sky of love"?, what's this shit.
As much I don't like to use that term, the "normalfags are freaking dumbass about anything not normalfag-ish" meme has some truth.

>when you remember that Obersteins dog was a stray and unwanted thing he picked up that was abandoned infront of a government building

I'm at episode 15 of this series. Why are the Free Planets Alliance so fucking incompetent? Yang is pretty cool though.

Just show him that scene where the goons are getting all fucked up.

you should have just shown him the webm of the soldiers dying horribly as ships get blown up

I love how LoGH handles death. Some characters die stupid deaths, or just get killed in the chaos of combat. Some people's deaths have massive consequences and affect the characters around them. Others are completely inconsequential, and are lost in the void of space.

because the FPA is supposed to exemplify the flaws of a corrupt democracy

>Someone had to take care of Oberstein's dog after he died
>This dog never gets to see his owner again, and doesn't understand why he's not coming back home

The biggest problem with depots, or rather with who is to succeed them, is that even if they have their own children and raise them perfectly, it won't matter jack shit if the heir is retarded in terms of intelligence.
And IQ is not hereditary and is literally considered a genetic anomaly, so good luck finding a good heir. Julius had to resort to a grand nephew (Augustus) to find one.

>The one fucking time in the whole series he arrives late

The entire first half is all about incompetency. Shits hilarious.

I like how Trump is the new Godwin's Law.

>tfw Andrew Fork leads his dumbass campaign into Imperial territory

antifa is a gang with delusions. There's been plenty of terrorist leftist groups in the past that have come and gone when the world was in a tenser state.

Because of the way our system works, the vice president would take over, news teams would ride that view high, and anyone who doesnt know shit about politics would think that Clinton would step in.

Pacifism is doomed in a world where it isn't enabled by the vast majority of people being willing to do the pacifists fighting for them.

They really aren't. Militarily, their individual commanders are superior to the Empire, save for Reinhard's top administration. Their fleets are bigger, and their economy is stronger. Get out of the thread while you still can, before too much gets spoiled.
But before you go, remember that there are good and bad actors on both sides of this engagement and even the Empire's bureaucracy gets choked up with bad decisions, corruption, and incompetence.

Realistically speaking we'll never bother with space travel and colonization.

We're here till the next meteor wiped us out.

homeworld is as close as it gets to ship combat

but stellaris/endless space have more to do with empire building.

Tanaka really wanted to twist the knife in that one.

Your post boils down to "I like how LoGH handles death because it's in a realistic manner".

Why the fuck did they listen to him exactly? Especially knowing he suffers from hysteria.

have a wallpaper

Pretty much, yes.
Other series tend to handle deaths pretty poorly. So it was refreshing for LoGH to do it well. Especially because there are protagonists on both sides of the conflict.

And bad heirs mean an unstable powerbase. Too many ambitious people are out there. It's dangerous to condescend power even if it provides more control for the despot who knows how to wield it.

Galactic Civilizations 2 was the best. I heard with the latest expansion 3 is getting up there.

>he'll never witness Sea of Stars opening
youtube.com/watch?v=qH8G-lBTUDY

i almost pity the normie

Not in my eyes.
With Democracy, you're doomed to have 24/7 mediocrity and borderline shit forever and ever, nothing great will ever come out of it and it has incredible potential for massive corruption as the time goes on.
With a Despot, you're guaranteed a binary dice roll, he will be either good or shit and since he isn't limited by Democracy, he can actually get shit done if he's good. And if he's bad, sure he will bring ~50 or so years of strife until he dies/gets assassinated and is replaced by a different one which again can be either good or bad.
With a despot you're basically statistically guaranteed to have a golden age period, with democracy you will NEVER have a golden age period.

This will do nicely

Thanks

Let me just say that Stellaris is shit and turned me away from even trying other Paradox titles, even though they're not the same genre.

This is why Julian and Hildegard setting up a constitutional monarchy at the end of the series was the best move. It brought about peace to the galaxy, and it will ensure that a bad ruler can't happen. And it will also ensure that a bad council can be removed.
(For what it's worth, the council in the FPA is about the simplest and dumbest "democratic" system I've ever seen.)

what games aren't balanced?

So, what are the quintessential MANime that women will never understand?
Legend of Galactic Heroes, Hokuto no Ken, Kaiji, what else?

the last 100 years basically prove you wrong

k-on

>that women will never understand
But my gf watched LotGH and she loved it

I think the problem I had with the series was too many names to follow. It was like trying to read a full story of WWII and follow every nations individual leaders and their motives.

So sometimes there would be a death scene and I would have to think long and hard on who that guy was.

I dont know how you're supposed to keep up with everyone unless you binge watch it. I appreciate how intricate it is even if sometimes I only remember shit that was posted in the webms or the political talks about imperialism and democracy.

I've always preferred narratives that are focused on a small cast.

>20th century democracy
>Golden age
>good
It only seems good compared to the shitfest that was first half of the 20th century. It's pretty meh and constantly going shittier and shittier as it goes on so far. I'm literally praying for another world war if only to clean overpopulation and bad blood in the world.

She loved it for the handsome men at best, unless she's in that rare 0.1% of women that actually have a brain and understand the themes being presented in which case I'm jealous of you having a competent and smart gf.

With a despot, you're also guaranteed to have downturns and failures. The incompetence of the person at the top, with no checks and balances, means that their failures are going to be magnified.
If you're going to discuss history, I'm going to point out the Napoleonic Wars. France was fighting internal wars against royalists, and external conflicts against every nation in Europe. And it took a good twenty years before France was finally defeated.

Because of the republican democratic system and a removal of incompetent noble officers from the army, and appointment of better heads of state, France was able to do that.

Under a king, you don't have checks and balances to make sure that the ruler and his buddies aren't idiots.
Unless you have a constitutional monarchy.

She was just saying that to make you happy. She didn't understand anything.

>I've always preferred narratives that are focused on a small cast.
matter of preference i guess. there exist plenty of space opera narratives with small casts. few are sprawling epics with loads of characters on a large scale.