So when did this franchise peak and die off for you and why?

So when did this franchise peak and die off for you and why?

Hard mode: Without mentioning designs.

I don't think they'll ever top Gen 5, B2W2 had so much content, and all of it was fun, the achievement system was a nice touch too.

I wouldn't say it's died off yet, but it's definitely declined since then

The Mystery Dungeon series is pretty strong so I don't know if it's reached its peak yet. Hopefully it's not dead and we get a gen 7 MD.

when danny devito didn't get to voice detective pikachu

I didn't touch Gen IV or V, I was burned out by then.

I've picked it back up for VI and VII though, and I really want to see what they do on the Switch for Gen VIII.

Still very much so alive for me although admittedly there's a very distinctly sharp contrast between the effort put into the pre-Gen VI and post-Gen VI games

Gen 2. Not that I didn't like the other games but Gold and Silver were very innovative for the time. After that, most features began to look like fanservice. And I've yet to see any Pokemon game to top the final battle with Red.

BW2 was the last game I played multiple times. I've probably played through Emerald the most, despite hating much of it. That's the power of discovering emulation and playing the game at 4x speed.

I'm genuinely curious user, why is it that so many consider Gen 5 to be the peak? Even without being a dick with regards to ice cream cones and garbage bags, the Gen 5 games felt like they were too upfront with the story and the region was not very interesting or compelling to explore.

Gen 2 was objectively bad. Using Kanto as a crutch to give the illusion of more content just reinforces this.

For me it was after Platinum simply cause i was just tired of playing Pokemon.
Tried B/W and i couldn't will myself to keep going after the 5th badge.
Tried X/Y and actually beat it feeling a bit empty like i could've used the time spent playing x/y playing something more interesting.
Serena a qt though.
Haven't played S/M

It'll never die as long as the porn keeps coming

The atmosphere declined starting with RS and they clearly started to lose their way with the direction of the series starting with HGSS, the current director that did ORAS and SM obviously has no clue what he's doing in his position at all and needs to be removed ASAP

The core mechanics are still fine though so the games are still enjoyable

Peaked at Gen Wun, because I was young and stupid enough to enjoy it. I tried to play Pokemon Moon, but it was garbage. Can't understand the appeal anymore.

Platinum to BW2 is just an amazing set of games

Gen 6 is bad, Gen 7 is okay, but the best days are behind us

Gen 5-7

I think Gen 5. I couldn't get into Unova's linearity. X/Y was just as bad but Sun/Moon took it to the extreme.

At this point, I can't care about the new Pokemon designs, and since they're railroading the quests, I just can't care anymore.

Personally for me the games peaked in Gen 4 with Platinum and HGSS but BW2 objectively have the most content so technically the series peaked there but I can never finish those games since they made grinding a chore with their new EXP system

People who played them as children are old enough to pretend to be adults on online message boards and also storyfags are invading every Nintendo property lately (see also: Kirby) without realizing what actually makes a good story

It's still selling, so I wouldn't say it's dying off.

Gen 6 and Gen 7 feel more like they've been overly gimmicky. Mind you, the games have always had their strange gimmicks (Gen 2 had daily massages and gathering nuts to make pokeballs) but the ones in the last two generations have been highly attached to the game itself. Megas were a pretty big thing, as were the island-hopping and Beasts. The series feels like it has jumped the shark and hasn't figured out a good method to settle down in.

As for why? It's probably getting old. While there are still 20+ women who are willing to pick up the occasional Pikachu doll, that won't sell the games to the new batch of kids. So they need something interesting, and those kids probably aren't following the anime the same way previous ones did.

I'm not sure why they don't just make trainer fights into double battles all the time, with wild encounters being single battles. It seems more fitting, especially with the focus on double battle abilities and double battles at events.

You can actually pinpoint the exact moment it went to shit, and it was with Gen 6

Pearl in Diamond. Was a extremely fun game but it was that gen and onwards that Pokemon ran out of momentum

Gen 6. We got two mediocre games with no third version fixing them and the worst remakes ever.

Black and White is where I should have stopped playing. I hated how unapologetically linear the game was and the amount of text boxes you had to wade through to play the game. XY was slightly better but ORAS killed it for me.
I haven't touched Sun&Moon, and judging by whats been shown I think that I made a good choice.

>actually saying anything good about gen 5
I want underage fucks to get off my Sup Forums.

Hasn't died but its been on a decline since bw2. SuMo/SM was a good step in the right direction but we'll have to see where it leads us.

Because Ice cream cones and Garbage bags are nothing compared to purple slime and magnets, face it user, the designs were always weird

Disregarding that stupid point, Black and White were just fine, it was with Black and White 2 that Gen 5 became the best one, you have a very big pool of pokemon to catch, the gyms were varied and themed, the soundtrack was arguably the best to date, and the extra content really expands the game's length without going out of its way to change the gameplay too much

Fuck off retard, Please tell me what do YOU think is the best Pokemon Gen, please, i really want to know

Pokemon SoulSilver

Im not underage, you're just an old man with shit taste, grandpa

Platinum and Black/White. Plat was the game that told you to get good or go home, fixed near all of the issues found in Diamond and Pearl, and still retains one of the comfiest settings in the franchise.

B/W was the best experiment. The Region Lock kept you from falling back on old blood and encouraged experimentation, the region was well varied and the new dex had the lowest number of shitmons, the plot felt like something out of the mangas and the music jumped straight to God-tier.

FPBP

The DS games were the peak after everything before them had built on top of each other quite nicely, then the 3DS games was where it fell off a cliff for me, especially Sun & Moon

Gen 1/2 were peak, 3/5 were okay, everything else has been garbage.

The games have gotten so monotonous and stale over the years that only revamping the entire way the games play would get me interested again. The not even half-steps they've done while transitioning to """3D""" have done nothing for me.

Played up through gen 4, any gens after that didnt play cause I was in later years of middleschool and pokemon started to lose that magic. I just wanted a pokemon vidya where, ALL of the pokemon were within the game, no trading, no other versions. A pokemon game that had 2, preferablly 3 or 4 regions, hell kanto+jhoto should be one big region. If they made you start in kanto/jhoto and start over with low levels in hoenn, those other regions I wouldnt mind it. And CHALLENGES, singleplayer stuff, like the emerald battlefrontier but on steroids and in multiple regions. I also was dissapointed the sevii islands werent an orange islands thing. Long rant aside, I feel kinda JUSTED when I think the potential for an official pokemon vidya. I think seven generations and a hundred bazillion episodes they have enough frign content to make a bigass pokemon world game of some sort and call the series an end. Make future games set in distant times or other planets and have it as a separate canon within the pokemon universe.

when i turned 12 or so, this game is for children

I just want something with innovation like Sun and Moon, with an online mode like a more polished X and Y system, and other shit I guess.

And breaking away from the horrendously stale gym shit was good, and Team Skull was a breath of fresh compared to the reskinned team rockets with different autistic philosophies.

How to fix Pokemon

>Can select hard mode from the start
>All regions available - Possible option to pick your starting region as well.
>Proper end game content like Battle Tower etc

Now I will buy Pokemon.

can I get uhhhh
sauce?

I'm so disappointed with how linear BW was overall. The game just locked any sort of pathway until you talked with the required people/completed the local gym, then pulled some bullshit to allow you to pass. I honestly would've been a lot more motivated to play if it I could wander around.

The pokemon were pretty neat (I was surprised to pick up a favorite fighting-type there) and the place itself wasn't that bad. And Applehair is one of my favorite designs.

No single generation is the best because they all have their own pros and cons in all seven of their mediocre natures but people will act as if there is a clear cut best or worst due to their own nostalgia or poorly founded biases

>X/Y that low
Kill yourself. They were no worse than OR/AS.

This is the problem with Pokemon. The minimum effort feels good for fans.

SM werent very innovative just by changing the name of gyms and and making both evil teams underdeveloped since we had no time for both

Unless they completely fuck up the system in order to appeal to a wider audience, and even then we can always go back to the last good games, I'll always appreciate the competitive aspect of the video games. I didn't buy ORAS until VGC 2016 and I still haven't touched SM, but damned if I don't mind playing some sim battles once in a whie.

Speaking to the franchise itself, I doubt it'll ever effectively die as it really is a successful IP that spans multiple mediums. It's still Big 3 for a physical TCG, for example.

As for its peak, I'll agree that HGSS and B2W2 are local maximums - even the original Gold and Silver hold up really well. It remains to be seen if they can ever be topped. In terms of popularity it got a spike due to Go, but easy come easy Go since I doubt many people who entered or came back to the IP due to it have stuck around and as are excited about nearly all aspects of the franchise as the rest of the fandom can be. I haven't hung around Pokémon players since Worlds 2016, so I haven't had as much incentive to keep up with everything myself.

I want to write a Pokémon manga one day.

>Owned Red/Blue/Yellow as a kid

>pirated FR/LG and Black/White Black2/White2

Sorry Nintendo I'm not buying a handheld just to play a game, plus turbo mode is super satisfying on an emulator.

It never died off for me, its still kicking strong

>B/W1 worship

I'll never understand this. I never bothered with the sequel but I really thought Gen V was mediocre.

Region lock only hurt the game. Oh wow no more zubats but now there's woobats, LOOK AT HOW NEW THIS IS. Just led to a small pool of Pokemon. Region was cramped, with plot railroads and sealing off a fuckton of the region until postgame. You can't explore SHIT. Plot was paced super poorly with your idiot rivals always butting in and only was cool at the end. Game had some excellent music tracks but the songs you hear all the time weren't that great. Gen V added some gimmicky dream world of no value, and the postgame felt unfinished with every enemy trainer having pokemon at the exact same level. It holds up well compared to the shithole of Gen VI but compared to actually innovative gens there's nothing of value in B/W1. It was an experiment and I heard B/W2 actually works well but on its own, B/W1 was weak.

Peaked when I was 7-8 years old, died off when I was 12-13.

>fandom
>>>/leddit/

The only ones that can compete for the best gen are

>Gen 5
I explained that one on my previous post
>Gen 4
Just because they have the HGSS remakes that are really good, and Platinum I guess, Diamond and Pearl are trash
>Gen 2
Another great contender, since Gold, Silver and Crystal are still amazing games even though they are really limited

The other Gens can't even compete

Drink bleach, furfag.

>pokemon sun
>pokemon moon
>pokemon stars
>pokemon go is on earth

Guys what if gamefreak drops the 9th gen with every pokemon region/islands and call it "Pokemon earth/world"

Every game after Johto, barring the route split in D/P/PT, has done that though.

Ok, where is this idea of such deep exploration in Pokemon games coming from? At most, you could just do a couple of Gyms out of order; you were near always blocked off by HM or plot requirements otherwise.

>shit characters
>shit plot
>shit region
>shit characters
>shit graphics
>shit pacing
>shit difficulty
>shit pokedex
>average music
>average new pokemon
>great online
The last few arent enough

This is correct.

>plus turbo mode is super satisfying on an emulator
This.

Holy shit, these games are so much more satisfying to play through again when you can run them at 4x or 8x speed. You get in a ton of grinding or make a large amount of progress in just a little amount of time.

You really didn't run into Woobats all the time; they at least varied that up. The pool of pokemon wasn't really that small (most games only have just over 100 for their main game as well) but the rest of your points are entirely valid.

>shit region
Again, kill yourself.

Ruby/Sapphire.

They added the new EV/IV system (yes, faggot, I'm aware of how the old system worked), and then catered to the people who already knew about it by including a multitude of items that exist specifically to abuse those mechanics. I can't stand games where high level of play requires use of hidden mechanics.

I know X/Y sorta fixed that, but by then it was too little too late.

When I started playing actual RPGs I realized Pokemon didn't have either a particularly compelling story nor that great gameplay. The only "fun" bit was emergently creating a team from your encounters but after you play one game you've kinda played them all.

There's a line between "deep exploration" and "DON'T YOU DARE STEP OFF THE STRAIGHT LINE". No pokemon is non-linear but no game railroads your ass as hard as B/W1.

Well the woobats weren't constant, but the idea is that the region lock didn't help things feel "fresh" at all.

Peaked for me in Gold and Silver. Just because I loved Red and Blue and was anticipating G/S so much and it delivered for me. I fell off pokemon after that until X/Y and Sun/Moon just because I got into other stuff. I think I'm done with pokemon overall but I really loved what time I had with it.

When it went to 3DS because I didn't buy one.

Ruby/Sapphire. Apart from Base Hunting and the Regis, there was nothing.

This is why I haven't played a pokemon game since Pearl. Pokemon has absolutely no depth to it but if you enjoy collecting monsters it's a solid game.

>Gen 3
>add pokemon designed to take advantage of the physical/special typing with their movesets, as opposed to ideas which sound nice but didn't work due to mechanics
>Gen 4
>physical/special split screws a lot of those same pokemon over
People who liked Sceptile and Manectric must've been disappointed. I can't even think about finding a good grass-type and next generation discovering that all it's moved switched over to a different attack stat.

Kalos is complete shit

it's a theme park of random locations and biomes slapped together in a way that does not mesh together well at all.

with a huge focus on looking at pretty things rather than interacting with anything, and a shit load of useless locations .

Just look at this shit, and then fuck off

It peaked during 5th gen, but it hasn't quite died for me just yet. If they don't stop all the bullshit genwun pandering though I'll probably drop the franchise.

Sun/Moon were pretty fun, I got one of those $99 black friday 3DSes for my gf and we both played through all through december

It's pretty comfy cuddling and playing Pokemon for hours on end with a girl

When they removed the Battle Frontier, the VS Seeker, and Gym Leader rematches.

Normie get the fuck out of this board right fucking now

>durr, games shouldn't have varied locations

B-But without Gen 1, Pokémon wouldn't even EXIST!

See that's an interesting viewpoint because Black and White left a really bad taste in my mouth when I first played it.

Putting all opinions on design aside, I hated how they forced you to use new shit while at the same time being blatant copies with one or two small difference, which made it seem like they ran out of ideas for good. I hated how the rivals were forced upon you and how there was so little to see outside of the railroad they set you on.

I just stopped playing the game after the credits hit, I couldn't bother with post-game. I couldn't even stomach the sequels past the second gym, even with their cheap pandering by introducing older pokemon, but so many people seem to praise that game for some reason.

When I turned 14

I know a TON of people will disagree, but 3 was my favorite gen, but I hated the remake of it because it felt so weird to play. And 4 was so boring to me.

And then you woke up.

you can't honestly sit there and say kalos wasnt a shit region. ffs your riveld like basketball head were just there to suck your ego off and everything was a breeze to go through. the fact my team was 10 levels higher than the champion had me going "wtf?". i dont even remember the elite four the shit was so mundane and boring

But it literally was just the designs.

the region picking option sounds so unrealistic, it would be easier if it was like game with ports to previous games but thats just as stupid.

Gen 2
Died with gen3 since it was handled so poorly

You lose the right to complain about that shit when you use Exp. Share and/or grind too much.

That rival was dumb.

Yeah, pretty much.
I remember a bunch of anons on /vpS pointed out the geography of the region didn't match up with itself.

>Implying it has even declined

Pokemon Sun/Moon was one of the finest pokemon games ever made faggot. I'm sorry you can't enjoy video games anymore. Stay mad.

>just dont use the things the game offers!

Pretty much this, I did enjoy Gen 5 part 1 tho.

I think I'm going to drop this franchise after Platinum remake. Honestly not that keen on thath though. Sun and Moon, just like gen 4, is really slow.

Anyway, Sup Forums, what's your favorite pokémon?
Mine is pic related

The Exp. Share is there for children and shitters.

Franchise was at its absolute best during Gen 5. S&M were the final nail the coffin for myself, never have I felt so ripped off from a game. Pokemon is dead to me now

Ruby/Sapphire
Too easy, no end game

Probably Magmar.

There's a pretty clear seasonal transition starting from Spring at 6 to Summer at 9, Fall at 12, Winter at 3

Oh wait, it peaked for me at G/S/C, those games were perfect. Everything after is this post

Why do the same people come to collectively praise HGSS and B2W2 when these games epitomize the problems of post-GBA pokemon games? HGSS were remakes that only improved aesthetics without improving pokemon variety or level scaling, and B2W2 were guilty of blowing more story in your face to the point you'd be playing less even on your first run.

Platinum, Emerald, and FRLG are the only games that seemed to prioritize replayability and improvement in mechanics.

>all regions
>at the start of each region you get all new Pokemon like the tv show
>can pick a mascot Pokemon to travel to each region with you if you want (has to stay first evo and level resets each region)
>in certain scenarios one of your old Pokemon will show up and wreck shit like when Charizard randomly shows up in the anime

The games haven't evolved, that's why I lost interest. They never put a graphically powerful full fledged game on consoles. That shit was fine back in the 90s but I can't play on handheld for those kinds of games anymore.

>FRLG
Enjoy the terrible grind.

Haunter

Varied locations doesnt mean it has to be nonsense. Every region from Johto to Unova gave us that without being stupid.

Look back at that pic and realise that a desert, grassy field, and marshy forest are all directly next to each other,, and also the biggest urban city in the region. Just shit.

I remember that

Peak: Gen II
Death: Gen VI

dude your argument is crap. you might aswell not use potions cause your not a shitter right? or pokecenters while your at it.

just admit X/Y was hand holding you too much to the point where you dont even care about strategy and just mash A because its that easy.

>I don't understand elevation changes