How do we fix FFXV?

How do we fix FFXV?
Is it worth fixing?
Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?

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No.

The game is already pretty good, OP.

Short storyline
Press X to win combat
The worst sidequests in franchise history
Empty overworld
Smallest cast of characters (not talking about playable, just poor world building)
Not being able to summon on command
Smallest summon roster
Worst main heroine

Soundtrack is good, I'll give it that.

The only good things about it are music, chocobos, animations and the overworld design.

Everything else is ranging from garbage to mediocre to missed opportunities.

We can't. There's like a 1 in 10000000 chance, but the changes are too drastic and too numerous.

Not really.

No.

i borrowed my cousin's ps4 so that i could play this game and see just how the game actually is. turns out the combat is as bad as i thought it would be. fucking clunky controls, barely any animation canceling, having to be neutral stance to be able to dodge/block. kingdom hearts might be ass, but at least the combat was somewhat enjoyable there.

There is a lot of content they would need to add and change to fix it, and we all know they would charge for it all.

Id say just leave it. Let them release the shitty DLC they have planned for a story that I didn't really care much for. Wait a couple years for XVI and just hope they've learned from their mistakes.

There was so much wrong with this game in my opinion. Story was generic as shit. Combat was the worst out of all Final Fantasies, even though the combat system in this game compared to the others is like comparing apples and oranges. Magic felt like it was tacked on at the last second. Summons were wasted. Party characters were alright but having no party customization or more characters to interchange is kind of shit.

I usually like to go back and replay every final fantasy at least once, but I don't think I will ever go back and replay this one or XIII.

Again this is just my opinion so eat shit XVkun

Honestly they should just move on. Stop it now really.

Now that they have an engine, just do FFXVI fast.

Bring back turn based combat.

FFX was the last good Final Fantasy

Square hasn't made a good game in over 15 years.

It's already good and they are already adding in updates that improve it.

(you)

>How do we fix FFXV?
Rework the combat so that it actually resembles and designed as an action game, not some clunky button holder to suit turn-based autists' mindset. Make side characters more important to the story with each having a story arc of their own like all good stories should. Make quests and hunts more substantial. And FFS, include the Insomnia invasion in the game.

>Is it worth fixing?
Would be cool, considering it had so much potential, but won't happen anyway.

>Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?
Unlikely. Tabata can't direct for shit as evident by both the main game and all the further updates.

>that Ch.XIII update that was hyped up so much and turned out to be absolutely fucking nothing
I lost all hope as it released and so should you

>Short storyline
Same length as FF1-9 story
>Press X to win combat
Nope, you can say that about any other FF though
>The worst sidequests in franchise history
Nope, they are literlaly the same exact type of sidequests that FF1-10 have
>Empty overworld
Nope, it is objectively more full than any other FF world
>Smallest cast of characters (not talking about playable, just poor world building)
Also not true.
>Not being able to summon on command
This isn't a problem because summons are integrated into the story and there is a narrative reason for the way summons work
>Smallest summon roster
Irrelevant because of the above point.
>Worst main heroine
Nope, she not only was the most important character to saving the world next to Noctis but achieved her destiny too. Just because she had short screentime is irrelevant, she has as much screentime as your average Zelda has and as much importance too.

You obviously don't know how to play it because you have animation cancelling on blink which you have to unlock, impervious also has animation cancelling. Also get gud, you never have to be neutral to dodge or block because again get blink.

hope none of you guys will be giving him any (you)s.

Your opinion is shit, if you honestly think any other FF has better combat then holy fucking shit just end yourself. No, picking words from a menu is not and never will be better than physically running around and attacking in real time with combos, aerial combat, weapon switching and the like.

>more full than any other FF world
Nothing better than a world full of gas stations.

Might as well end the thread here, XVkun has arrived.

Just fix the frame pacing on PS4.

Stop with this holding meme already. You can tap to attack, it does the same exact attack action we have seen ever since the 2011 Versus trailer at the same exact speed and hit timing meaning the input is also the same too for the manual tapping of combos, and in some cases even faster.

The main game was already better than any other FFs and the updates have all been good improvements and better improvements to the base game than you ever see done for other FFs or JRPGs.

Ch13v2 was good because it gave us place to play as Gladio for a bit in the main game and showed more of Ravus and Iedolas making things more clearer too which was the point of doing that from the beginning.

Bazztek be like

Typical.

Those gas stations motel diners areas and so on are the same exact thing as small villages or settlements with 2-3 buildings and 3 NPCs in the older FFs. They fulfill the same purpose.

I liked the summon mechanic, actually. Considering the summons are the gods in XV lore, it makes sense that they show up when they deem it necessary, not when the mortals snap their fingers.

Congrats on FFXV being your first action RPG.

The combat was shit and doesn't belong in a Final Fantasy game. Fuck off XVkunt.

fuck XVkun is still as deluded as ever.I bet you only eat cup noodles now.

>How do we fix FFXV?
By addressing the core problems.

>Is it worth fixing?
No, they have better things to do.

>Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?
He seems to be more interested in meme weapons and carnivals than bothering to fix anything.

>Nope, you can say that about any other FF though
The others don't let you heal yourself on death.

>it is objectively more full than any other FF world
The others had random encounters every so many steps, XV's are spread out and you spend most of your time in the overworld being driven around by the car.

>This isn't a problem because summons are integrated into the story
They were in a ton of FF games, which did them better.

>there is a narrative reason for the way summons work
The story can go fuck itself, games are about gameplay and the 'gameplay' of summons is shit.

>impervious also has animation cancelling
Impervious is a Ukemi you fucking idiot.

The other FF's actually had interesting ability setups and mechanics, XV doesn't.

It isn't, nor is it my last. I'm just not a close minded retard like you who thinks all action RPGs have to be identical to be good.

Literally not an argument.

I've been craving to buy this game and play it again, but my fucking tax returns still haven't come yet. It's pissing me off.

>You can tap to attack
There's no reason to.

>The main game was already better than any other FFs
>main game
>better than V
Is this a joke?

>the updates have all been good improvements
The fixed nothing but making the ring stupid OP and letting you run through Chapter 13's boring ass corridors.

It's a warning not to buy it :^)

>I'm just not a close minded retard like you who thinks all action RPGs have to be identical to be good.
No, they have to be good to be good, which XV isn't.

>How do we fix FFXV?

youtube.com/watch?v=Md7GhVH3vUg aka NEVEREVER

This delusion, holy shit.

How do we fix FFXV?
We can't

Is it worth fixing?
It's not

Will it be fixed by Tabata and co by next year?
Of course not

>2-3 buildings with 3 NPC.
Yeah maybe in the first 2 games. It's a step up from XIII which had no real towns but that isn't saying much.

Which one of those gas stations has a secret underground lab, or a theme park or a burlesque house. Are any of them populated with religious fanatics? Or ninjas or anything?

>The others don't let you heal yourself on death.
In XV it's game over if Noctis dies, if you couldn't use a phoenix down on him you fucking idiots would cry even more. The only reason that system is even in the game to begin with is because literally eveyrone ever since it was Versus whined to SE about it being game over when Noctis dies because they hated it when it happened in FF13. Which is why they put in the buffer where you can use a Phoenix Down on Noctis. That is still not X to win and has nothign to do with the actual combat mechanics itself, those are recovery.

>The others had random encounters every so many steps,
XV has encounters anywhere on the map because MTs can attack you anywhere outside, and you can call enemies to you anywhere too, not to mention the enemies are also always roaming around the field too, again more full than any other FF. Other FF world maps are objectively emptier.

>They were in a ton of FF games, which did them better.
No they didn't and in no other FF are summons literal gods. There is next to no context for even using summons in many of the older FFs.

>The story can go fuck itself, games are about gameplay and the 'gameplay' of summons is shit.

You can go fuck yourself SBK91, you havn't even played the game. XV is an RPG and RPGs should always strive to intergrate narrative into gameplay, it's already done well though Noctis's arsenal of abilities and skills and also the summon system. Summons themselves have been cutscenes in FF1-9 too so you can again go fuck yourself.

>Impervious is a Ukemi you fucking idiot.
Impervious cancels knockback animation you fucking idiot, it also recovers you fully to neutral state.

>The other FF's actually had interesting ability setups and mechanics, XV doesn't.
No they didn't, not on XVs level. Again fuck off SBK91, you havn't even played the game.

oh boy, another thread of two screeching autists for 500 posts

>XVkun will still find an argument against this

B-but Altissia!

>There's no reason to.
Yes there is, the same reason there tap a button to confirm it in any other FF instead of just holding the confirm button down the whole time.

>Is this a joke?
No but you are SBK91, you havn't even played XV. And FFV was my favorite FF before XV and XV is better than it, having a job system that can easily be broken doesn't mean FFV is better than XV.

>The fixed nothing but making the ring stupid OP and letting you run through Chapter 13's boring ass corridors.
They directly addressed complaints with ch13 taking as long as it did and made it so you can clear it much faster with less hassle because you can now sprint in ch13, doors open on first beep, you can even skip a chunk of Noctis's ch13 by doing Gladios' side instead too. Zegnautus is literally a standard fortress dungeon that has been done in countless FF too.

You havn't even played FFXV SBK91, stop trying to fool anyone.

I liked some parts of the game and I really wanted to enjoy the rest of it, its obvius that at some point the team was inspired to do a great game,but somewhere along development hell it got gutted or castrated or something and we ended up with something that actually left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
I couldn't actually believe SE decided to release a FF in this state, and I say this as someone who was their fan during most of the PS1 era.

Good thing XV is good, not like you'd know anything about that since you havn't even played it.

>soldiers stagger when hit
It hurts so much.

All that is happening in that footage is the person is holding down the attack button, that is what they even said during that livestream. The game is much improved since then.

They do in the current game too. Did you even play the game?

XV-kun

>Good
Excuse me Noctis allow me to forcefully excuse myself from the party for reasons unknown but if you buy the season pass you'll find out when we make it

Not an argument.

>Yeah maybe in the first 2 games.
No, FF1-9 has places like that scattered throughout. Wiz Chocobo Post in XV is the same exact thing as Chocobo Ranch in FF7. Costa Del Sol in FF7 is the same exact thing as Galdin Quay in XV.

You must have missed all the dungeons and ruins in XV like the Solheim ruins left in Costlemark which has the mechanized room at the very bottom, or the Hunter station. You must have missed how all the people in XVs world are devout to the Cosmogony and follow Luna which you can see everywhere in the game with NPCs constantly talking about her and radios constantly talking about her and so on.

Just did the titan fight after not playing the game for months

I feel like I'm doing the combat wrong. Soo its teleport to an enemy, square to combo and switch weapons mid combos to what I need to slam em with, and toss in magic occasionally

Is that it?

Literally irrelevant to anything, but good job moving the goalposts. Gladio leaving the party was done solely so they could frame a DLC episode for him, it doesn't really matter in the long run since his one affects the main game the least. The other two DLCs atually happen during natural times in the story where Prompto and Ignis were separated from Noctis.

Yes, enjoy!

As opposed to just inputting basic attack 90% of the time and healing 10% of the time in any other FF?

remake the game from scratch and pretend this version never existed

You can stop resetting your IP already.

You know someone could actually post all the proof in the world and you are still so asshurt and delusional that you still wouldn't believe that they hated the game

Game is good, just roll out the DLC.

just start churning out XVI hype and forget about this unfortunate game

You know SBK91 has never posted proof he played the game even when I asked him to on Gamefaqs because he knows he can't prove it.

You're over complicating it.

>warp strike
>put tape over O button
>go do something else for a little bit
>when you come back there will be two different outcomes
>either you won, or you have to use a potion since Noctis is probably hurt and it takes forever for him to actually die
>rinse repeat

Have fun!

But I like using buffs and magic...

You would have died if you actually tried that.

I don't give a shit about your gamefag butt buddies. And even if he did post proof you still wouldn't believe him

t. faggot who never played it

So you just wanted to post your old shitty collection of screencaps so you could do your old "got ya barry" shitposts?

>In XV it's game over if Noctis dies
Which is virtually impossible outside Menace Costlemark.

>if you couldn't use a phoenix down on him
It'd be like every normal Action game and a huge improvement.

>The only reason that system is even in the game to begin with is
Tabata is a retarded hack, absolutely no one was vouching for this shit.

>That is still not X to win
No, it's O to win with some R2's to select an option from a menu whenever you take too much damage.

>XV has encounters anywhere on the map because MTs
Which are rare.

>can attack you anywhere outside
I don't recall them dropping in in the train chapter.

>you can call enemies to you anywhere too
So standing in place and calling enemies fixes the problem that there's no enemies to fight as you're progressing through the environmental. God you're stupid.

>not to mention the enemies are also always roaming around the field too
Few and far between.

>Other FF world maps are objectively emptier.
>emptier
>fight enemies frequently as you're traversing the map
>unlike XV
Nope.

>No they didn't
VI, VIII, X, and XII would like to have a word with you.

>in no other FF are summons literal gods.
What the fuck difference does that make.

>You can go fuck yourself SBK91
Who?

>you havn't even played the game
Unfortunately I have.

>XV is an RPG
Yes, and as a Role Playing Game gameplay comes first. Any shitty story is built around that.

>it's already done well though Noctis's arsenal of abilities and skills
By being boring as fuck.

>Summons themselves have been cutscenes in FF1-9 too
Your stupidity is mind boggling. Literally every attack in those games was a 'cutscene' because they were turn based. Funny though how another turn based game (X) made them fully playable characters, as did XII and XIII. Why did XV go backwards?

>Impervious cancels knockback animation
Because it's a Ukemi, it isn't a universal cancel and has nothing to do with attacking, which is why most bother with cancels.

i'm not terribly far yet but it actually seems pretty good. there's a little bit of that open world shitty side fetch quest syndrome but unless it completely shits the bed halfway through or something, i don't really see the blunder. the combat is a little clunky i guess but it's a JRPG not DMC

>collection
I found that post in a past thread
Don't change the discussion. You know I'm right

You fix it by realizing that the game wasn't made with you in mind, get the fuck over it, and stop making threads on Sup Forums and find some place else to carry out your fucking obsession with some autist.

No point trying to argue with someone this mentally damaged.

>No they didn't, not on XVs level.
They were far above XV's level. Blue, Mix, Combine, Time, Math, even Summon, all much better than XV's trash.

>Yes there is
Name it.

>the same reason there tap a button to confirm it in any other FF
If you hold a button you won't do anything but basic attacks in the others which is inefficient.

>And FFV was my favorite FF before XV
Man, isn't that terribly convenient.

>having a job system that can easily be broken doesn't mean FFV is better than XV.
No, having a job system that is mechanically deep and interesting does.

>They directly addressed complaints with ch13 taking as long as it did
Oh? Did they shorten it, add more interesting enemies, and giving all your toys back?

>Good thing XV is good
>color coded elemental spells
>hold button to dodge
>RNG cutscene Summons
>hundreds of invincibly used healing items
It spectacularly failed to match a clunky 2002 game.

Actually do Versus XIII

youtube.com/watch?v=IMhg65dUTbw

Follow through on the 'fantasy based on reality' premise. Make it a Final Fantasy adventure set in a present day setting like it was supposed to be rather than just use present day architecture for the capital city.

I'd turn it into a purely urban adventure set in one city with a full scale city. Story will be based on corporate intrigue. Kind of like Japanese GTA.

Now you've done it

>unless it completely shits the bed half way through

So far it sounds like my exact experience. I had a fuck ton of fun until I realized all the sidequests are the same 4 quests in different places.

That and when it shit the bed half way through.

Oh, so that's the autism I keep hearing about.

Sit back and watch the show m8

>people bitching about summons in XV

lol go play summoner in XIV, then come back and be thankful for what you do have

1. Go back in time and prevent it being made at all
2. No, SE should not sink even more money into this shitshow
3. I hope not, this game and the stupid fuck behind it single handledly killed DE:MD.

Fuck Nomura
Fuck Final Fantashit
And Fuck You.

BUCKLE IN KIDDO

>Ten years to make a game worse than FF13
>HURR LET'S SPEND TEN MORE YEARS FIXING IT

You are a moron. It was obvious to anyone the game would be garbage when the titled changed. Move on with your worthless life.

I kind of want them to keep working on it, just to see the before and after. But some of the shit is just unnecessary, like the change they made to the Timed Quests.

I kind of want everyone associated with it to die in a dumpster fire.

Ban melbourne

Turn it into a shitty MMO, oh wait they're already halfway there.

*nuke

I'm buying the game soon. Can I take part in your dumpster fire party?

Yeah, go kill 3xenemy recolor sure is on par with Blitzballing to get Wakka's best weapon, yep sure is exactly the same.

Okay.....?

I sorta meant the developers and the executives at SE the allowed it to happen.
But sure, why not, the more the merrier.

Can't wait for E3, xv-kun won't be able to keep up with all the threads

The game would have been much better if all that post-game content was moved into the storyline.
Ask again once the PC version it out.

>prompto dlc announced
>he'll just be shitposting in either the kh3 and/or 7 remake threads if they get shown

That's really the only thing you can do on these threads.

Nothing new really, he always says he jsut wants to "discuss" the game, but all he does is go into tunnel vision mode and reply to every post he doesn't like and ignore every post that actually asks questions

ff15 is my goty

KH threads don't put up with his bullshit for the most part.

>Which is virtually impossible outside Menace Costlemark.
But by your downfuck logic just hold down O will have you die.

>It'd be like every normal Action game and a huge improvement.
So you mean it would go against a staple of the FF franchise as far as item use goes in being able to revive the MC. Face it, if there was no phoenix downs you fucks would be crying even harder. Just the fact that people pop elixirs and potions so much is more than enough proof that if they didn't put the buffer in then people would be getting game over every time they hit 0HP on Noctis which is extremely common.

>Tabata is a retarded hack, absolutely no one was vouching for this shit.
Only hack here is you and whatever bullshit you're spouting. Everyone was complaining about it being game over when Noctis dies ever since Nomura mentioned that back in 2011 because eveyrone hated it when party leader died in FF13 even if the others were still alive. That is why they put in a system where you could revive Noctis with a phoenix down even if on 0HP for a temporary buffer period as a middleground approach to appease the majority who complained.

>No, it's O to win with some R2's to select an option from a menu whenever you take too much damage.
Except for when you have no items that doesn't work and all you are going to end up doing that way is getting wrecked constantly just to pop a potion non stop instead of taking out enemies quickly and efficiently without even wasting potions or even trying to avoid damage to begin with.

>Which are rare.
They are extremely common, they are not even remotely rare.

>I don't recall them dropping in in the train chapter.
Dickhead stop being fucking obtuse, we're talking chapter 1-8/15 here which are in the open world Lucis field area. Chapter 9-14 operate entirely different and ch-9-14 has you on guided linear path with set amount of enemy encounters anyway, and you are fighting nothing but MTs during chapter 11 too.

...

>So standing in place and calling enemies fixes the problem that there's no enemies to fight as you're progressing through the environmental. God you're stupid.
First of all you're a dumb fucking retard because that's not what I said, enemies are always placed all over the map and you can encounter enemies anywhere, the world is thus objectivley more full than other FFs because there are more enemies roaming in XV than any of the other FFs with roaming enemies, and the amount of enemies that you encounter is also higher than in the turn based FFs too.

>Few and far between.
Objectively wrong, see above, they are not only everywhere on the map but they are more easier to encounter and get to than random battles are, and can have more enemies than random battles do too.

>>Nope
Yep. You not only fight more enemies more frequently on XV than in any other FF but you do it more seamlessly too.

>VI, VIII, X, and XII would like to have a word with you.
None of those have interesting ability setups like how the magic weapon summoning, weapon switching and so on of the royal family in XV was integrated into the foundation of the combat. In 6 the only thing even close is the party special which isn't even anything special because it's not widespread through the whole game. Noctis's weapon summoning is, his armiger is, the royal arms are, the magic is, the summons are.

>What the fuck difference does that make.
That they are gods who decide when you get to summon them narrative wise, which is why you get them in special circumstances in XV instead of just "umm I need summon now" like in other FFs.

>Who?
Stop playing dumb, you are the only fuck retarded enough to spout the shit you do the way you do with the same fucking shit every time.

>Unfortunately I have.
No you havn't, otherwise you would have proved you have already in the countless threads I've asked you to proof it and when I asked you on gamefaqs to prove it.

>Same length as FF1-9 story

Oh, so you didn't play any of them?

Oh fuck. Here we go.

just forget about it like literally everyone else did, as of like months ago...

i hate this timeline