How do we fix the P5 Cast?

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You don't? They're fine as is

Launch Morgana into the sun.

It's still better than the cast of P4 so it should be fine

what's with this victim complex?

>i-it's better than the other shit game

Give them more events. It's lacking compare to the 3/4 cast and you really don't get a sense that they're friends that do stuff not PT related

Tl;DR: fanfiction-tier wish fulfillment.

Just have every party member join quicker. Considering palaces aren't even about them anymore just introduce two per palace, then you can work on adding more banter.

Not lock their confidants off because "muh calling card".

They're all fine as it is but they just need more events together

Needed more group hijinks, after the SpookyFutaba sequence nothing really memorable sticks out.

>i luv those bland characters
>makoto/Ann is me weifu
Please kill yourselves

let me have sex with the twins and also that other little girl

Remove Ann & Ryuji, due to being the standard "bro" girl & guy we've retreaded on before in the last two games

Make more use of the remaining cast's talents (Yusuke's artistry, Makoto's intuition/connection/ Haru's money & power)

Don't have them have all agree with the direction of the Phantom Theives (Makoto is a lawfag, Yusuke/Futaba are somewhat chaos, etc.)

Haru actually changes when her father dies, has resentment, goals, etc. rather than nothing at all.

Make Goro less blatantly evil/traitor & moreso of an actual rival. A detective that actually seems to be tailing thieves rather than some kid who stumbles into being an assassin because "muh daddy"

Everyone got way too damn serious business after Futaba's palace.

Their fine as is, just expand on Goro and Haru and present Goro's backstory differently, like spreading it throughout the game,rather than putting it all in Shido's Palace.

Good post. I like the cast as it is and they're way better developed than P4's cast ever was, but there's definitely room for improvement.

Introduce best girl (Haru) 3 months earlier.

>Goro completely disappears despite "offscreen death" cliche

They totally scrapped his redemption arc for a re-release didn't they?

>better developed

Where was Ann, Ryuji, Yusuke, Haru and Akechi's development in the main game after their introduction?

Why are people pretending Atlus did well with the cast?

>pegged Yusuke as "the annoying autist" when first introduced
>ends up becoming my favorite male teammate because of Futaba banter and having a confidant arc that wasn't total garbage

Just let haru join earlier and thats it. Also let Akechi be friends

>Don't have them have all agree with the direction of the Phantom Theives (Makoto is a lawfag, Yusuke/Futaba are somewhat chaos, etc.)

This is the most important.
Futaba outright joined to use her power to seek vengeance, whereas say Makoto wants true justice, alongside her sister & dead dad.

There are conflicts of ideology that could be brought up more than never.

>Haru now meets the group and joins the Phantom Thieves at the start of the Futaba arc
There, job done.

>Redeeming a literal murderer who tried to kill the leader of your group

>Why are people pretending Atlus did well with the cast?

They didn't, it's just better than P4. But significantly worse than P3's use of its cast.

Where's the conflict? Futaba wants the culprits brought to justice, Makoto wants to bring culprits to justice. It's not like Futaba is planning a murderous rampage.

This

>Atlus
>writing good characters

Name ONE (1) GAME where they accomplished this, zero 1 dimensional bullshit.

>Who is Adachi for $500

You know he doesn't have to get away with his shit for that kind of resolution, right?

I was half-expecting him to confess his bullshit and go to prison to bail you out at the end since Sae basically set that whole thing up on a platter that went empty.

I'm probably just stupid but I never really understood why Haru was even there. It's like "I have this power so I'll tag along too I guess".

She should have been the traitor, that would have been interesting.

You cant even organize your room, OP.. how do you hope to fix anything at all?

Yeah but no reason to bring up P4. Shit was still handle poorly and they had longer time to write than P4, they had zero reasons to fuck up with Haru the same way they did with Naoto but worse

She should have just joined earlier so she could really build up trust with the cast. With it being her first Phantom Thieves gig and her having just met the team, she should have been a LOT more suspicious that they might have killed her father, be it intentionally or accidentally.

>it's just better than P4.

In what way other than "I've always hated P4 so this game I waited 8 years for can't possibly be worse"?

I literally rearranged my room today user. Feeling refreshed.

Because they helped her with het father so she's staying as well. Honestly, other than Futaba, none of them had any reasons to stick around.

>of them had any reasons to stick around.

Ann,Ryuji and Morg with MC literally made the group. Yusuke should have been more useful with his art but he designed the calling cards, Makoto is just there so they can keep tabs on the police force so she's more of a tool but haru, bitch isn't even using her money for the team in their operations and basically has zero use or effect

You are mixing up motivations with what they actually did for the group.

And I forgot Ryuji and Ann only cared about making the phantom thieves famous. Which is a shit reason anyway.

>none of them had any reasons to stick around.
Makoto was sticking around hoping that eventually they'd be able to help her sister as she'd already looked in to her and found out she had a palace. Honestly, what a good sister Makoto is. Sae's abusive as fuck to her and she still cares about her a lot. Joker, Ann and Ryuji are basically there because they made the group and Morgana is there because of the deal he made with all of them+he wanted to get the bottom of what his origins were. Honestly the character with the least amount of reason to stick around is Yusuke and I think the game even acknowledges this itself because in the van he says "if it's more work count me out"

>no Haru tracksuit costume
why even live

they need depth and flaws, something Atlus hasn't had much interest in doing since Persona 3.

P4 makes a token effort at giving them depth via each character's dungeon and a secret fear/insecurity of theirs, but then those flaws are slapped with a bandaid and not once brought up again. I don't think they ever even hint at Chie and Yukiko's extremely unhealthy codependency again after the first dungeon. Kanji's gayness is only ever brought up for gags. Naoto's gender issues culminate in her just letting you pick her gender for her, basically (wear girl uniform or not)

P5 doesn't even try at depth for the main cast. Which is partially because there is just so much to fucking do in the game that the 30 seconds you spend with your teammates every so often are very forgettable

and they don't really have anything interesting going on in their lives. ann, and makoto's social links are like the most mundane, unremarkable shit. at least Haru and Sojiro have passions they actively pursue. ryuji's social link has stuff happen which is nice but i just didn't care about ryuji at all. but at the very least he resolves an actual arc and fixes the damage left by kamoshida which ties him properly into the main plot

morgana's social link is the weirdest one cuz unlike Teddie he has no room to grow, Ranks Up entirely at random after muttering to himself in bed, and the revelation of his identity is the flattest, weakest handwave ever

Introduce them all sooner so they can actually have good interactions as a full group.

Hell could just have you start with all of them except Futaba and Goro. And Goro I'd give more presence in the cognitive world from the start. On the book cover he's chasing the party as the only one capable of solving "crimes" committed in the cognitive world with neither able to tell who is who under anime masks and it's not like normal cops would believe the whole cognitive world shit, but still doing his assassin shit on the underside.

The cast members not named Futaba, Ryuji, or Mona get literally no development or are irrelevant past or during their dungeon. None way in hell is the group as a whole is better than 4. Only Futaba and Yusuke by themselves are better than the 3/4 cast and that's because they feel like a 3/4 character.

They aren't friends, simply aquaintences that orbit around Joker. They all clearly state they have their own motivation for being in the group that doesn't really relate to the other members. It explains why nobody follow up attacks or combine attacks with anyone other than him.

That's not what a victim complex is.

make makoto real, and my girlfriend

>No tracksuits, no proper school uniforms, no Makoto in bloomers.
FIX IT ATLUS.

>They aren't friends, simply aquaintences that orbit around Joker.
The 4 cast did nothing but suck Yu's dick but they still came off as good friends. This is the problem with 5, they have no chemistry with each other so you have no reason to care for them.

Well first you need to fix the boring ass entire premise before you touch the characters

Persona 4 keeps saying that they are good friends so you believed it, eventhough they really did nothing to demonstrate their friendship aside meaningless banter
In P5 they cooperate with each other all the time to help the PT and put a crazy plan to save their leader and the world. In the end they all walk up (or dirve up) togerther because that's where they belong.
P5 doesn't need filler events to pretend they are friends, they demonstrate it in the actual story

I'm not talking about how much they pander to the MC. It's obvious characters like Yukiko and Chie are friends even outside your group. I can't imagine most of the cast in 5 ever hanging out with anyone else if Joker is not involved and I believe that's intentional given how they don't even interact in combat, a feature that was in the previous game. They aren't meant to be best friends like in 4, just members of the same group.

Premise is ok but execution is the issue

Eh they're fine, just give them more R&R events and random chatter dialogue in safe rooms.

Being from the start isn't even a real reason. Aside of their first personal reason, most of them stuck because they had the power, so they had no reason not to do it. Only difference was that Haru did so during the last 30% of the game, while the rest right at the start.

4's cast had literally zero development after their initial shadow, even just half the cast of P5 having development is a massive improvement from it.

>even just half the cast of P5 having development

Literally where is this development? The only P5 cast member to develop as a character is Futaba and that's because she's agoraphobic, she needed to so she could go outside with the group. Even she doesn't change too much, the cast makes adjustments for her changing their hideout to Leblanc, they don't really go anywhere that has too many people and even if they do Joker and Makoto are there so she isn't by herself.

Worked for Adachi.

Plus you can tell there's scrapped potential due to not only his off-screen death, but nobody mentioning him again afterwards except Sae who only comments that he's missing.

This.

I'm in september and ive been there for weeks. I think i might actually be dive with the game because I've had enough cringing at this retarded cat

Akechi killed more people and had even worse motivation.

>Makoto's plump ass in those short shorts

I want this now.

Expect that's the opposite. 5 tells you that the cast are friends. 4 shows it. Also the terrible Velvet Room scene is fucking retarded. Everyone is ready to risk there lives because Joker gives them a 2 dialogue prep talk and go completely 180. And everyone has a pity party for Goro despite him working for Shido and almost killing Joker. The 5 cast are fucking terrible retards.

remove morgana

For the Record, no one is saying his redemption will make him innocent. Adachi was a full on SL in golden but he still went to prison.

By replacing them with the only good persona cast.

>Le pity party meme again

Stop.
All they do is acknowledge his tragic upbringing that lead him to choose the path be did. But they straight out say that didn't excuse his actions and that they can never forgive him.

Everyone has a pity party for Akechi because he's a misguided kid with no friends that ultimately gave up his life to save the cast

Retard

I'm saying there's no point in redemption, he's a terrible fucking character. Adachi was actually somewhat relatable, and thus his rehabilitation with scenes like Dojima visiting him in prison are touching. Akechi is a fucking insane spoiled brat, the part where the Phantom Thieves are trying to get him to join their group and praising him is one of the cringiest things I've ever gad to experience in gaming. There's nothing to redeem here, he should be dead. He isn't, though. He'll be alive, appear in the spinoffs and Atlus is going to attempt to redeem him. For fucks sake.

make mc more edgy and have him betray group, or vice versa

They're geniuses compared to the Scooby doo gang in 4
>Everyone is ready to risk there lives because Joker gives them a 2 dialogue prep talk and go completely 180.
The only thing Joker did was make them remember of their motivation, not like they did a 180

Persona 4 and 5 are the exact same game, except 4 does everything better. I'm pretty sure Sup Forums is just pretending the opposite because they've just never liked P4 so P5 can't POSSIBLY be worse. I have bad news for you all, Sup Forums.

Make everyone stop treating Ryuji like shit for "comedy".

Ryuji goes from having a good motivation to being seduced by fame, to recognizing his mistakes and becoming a good bro again

Ann's development is all in the first arc and in her confidant, it's shallow

Makoto develops in the main story and in her confidant.

Morgana develops as his confidant evolves

Yusuke develops in his arc and in his confidant. His confidant is top tier

Futaba has pratically two confidants for herself

Haru is the only one lacking development

make morganna a regular cat that doesnt talk and just sits in joker's bag

This, also the events shouldn't involve mention of the PT. Let the characters enjoy themselves.

So are you going to post them anytime soon?

This. I'm still mad about what happens at the end of Shido's dungeon.

Really hot arguments there, buddy
If you think that the
>combat
>social aspects
>main villain
>cast
>pacing
are worse than P4, you're an extremely mentally challenged
Then again, I'm sure you, as a contrarian with refined tastes, shat on P4 when it was popular all the same

The premise is one of the best I've ever seen but the execution is god-awful. For one thing, stealing should have posed some kind of penalty to you

Character development that happens in Confidants don't count as the main story has to ignore they happened. The same thing is a problem in P4 and something that countless people complained about, too bad Atlus didn't fix it.

>Persona 4 and 5 are the exact same game, except 4 does everything better
>P4fags crawling out of the woodwork
Your game isn't relevant anymore. Go away

Only if you post nudes of your mom.

Makoto's social link can't even be called development. That shit was an abomination and waste of time maxing charm.

>Ryuji risks his own life to save everyone else, almost dies
>Everyone is sad
>He comes back a minute later to tell them he's fine, he just had to find them first
>Everyone gets angry and beats the shit out of him because that's a funny joke, right

>Morgana doesn't even do anything at the end of the game and then disappears
>Lets everyone think he's dead for months just because he wants to wait for a good time to show up again
>OH MORGANA YOU SILLY CAT, WE CAN'T GET MAD AT YOU

Confidants are part of the game and they're all canon. It's why Chie wants to become a cop in P4A for example

You don't need to lie. Makoto clearly develops even if the link is about her caring for a member of her student body

>social aspects
Yes
>main villain
Hell fucking yes. The only good thing about Shido was his boss music, you can tell he's bad because all Sup Forums does with him is reuse Armstrong memes with Shido instead. Adachi is LEAGUES better than Akechi. Akechi is by far the worst character in this series.

>cast
Yes, P4's cast is better. P5's cast is fucking bland, they don't develop and they don't act like friends.

>pacing
P4 moved along at a much better pace than P5, the arbitrary deadlines P5 gives to you destroys the pacing of the game, this is how P5 goes

>Get a new dungeon
>Beat it in one day
>No plot development for 20+ ingame days
>Then plot dump that lasts like an hour with the player with the player being entirely railroaded for the duration
>Then a new dungeon
>Repeat until the game is over

Nope. Social Links and Confidants are not canon. They can't be because they're technically optional.

Ok.
>Let's go to the arcade.
>Hey, I made friends with some idiotic girl!!! Now enjoy the rest of the social link be about her.

Haven't finished Ann's yet but this takes the trophy to worst social link.

Neither Shido, Akechi nor Adachi are the main villains of their respective games
P4 had the same exact deadlines with the foggy days
P4's cast sucked your dick the entire way through and all character development that ever happened was during their dungeons, excluding Teddie, obviously

remove ann. fucking whore

I liked the characters from digital devil saga.

I don't think you can fix the characters without completely changing the story of the game which is the real problem. It focuses way too hard on the main story at the sacrifice of player choice (free time) and character development.

P5's cast doesn't even have the courtesy to suck your dick.

> all character development that ever happened was during their dungeons
This is still better than literally no development at all like Persona 5. Aside from maybe Futaba.

If you want me to only talk about the True Ending bosses, then yes, P4's was better than P5's.

No.

>le gas station attendant asspull

>Le everything was a game so that's why this game has so much shit writing and plot holes.

Yes, P4's is better.

Confidants > SLs

Shido > Adachi > Akechi

I do agree Akechi is a shit. Shido is a good villain

P5 cast > P4 cast
P4 cast is awfully tropey and has Teddie. While Morgana CAN be annoying he is nowhere near Teddie's level of annoyance

The P5 cast are friends, acting as if they aren't is a disservice to the game and shows you didn't play it all. Of course their social events will be more modest compared to the IT since their work as PT isn't a hobby like what the IT dos and they're outlaws who can't stand out

>P4 moved along at a much better pace
It didn't. P5 has a great start, dies down a little then gets good again in the middle, loses a little power in Setember only to get good again in October

P4 only gets interesting in November

>P5 was like this
Same dynamic as P4. I don't see anything wrong with it

>Confidants are canon
They're canon because they're all relevant to end game. It's canon that Joker bonded with everyone he needed to and Yu also bonded with everyone to get the World card

name TWO plotholes :)^

>doesn't give any real reason why Akechi sucks
>calls Adachi relatable
fuck off