Smash 5 thread

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discuss a game that's like five or so years off

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>make the gameplay fast and fluid like Melee without all of the overcomplicated shit
There. Best Smash. Appeals to both worlds. I'll be here all week, Sakurai

so Smash4?

>so Smash4?
Fuck no.
It's better than Brawl, but come on now. Sm4sh is stiff as fuck and all the "combos" aren't natural at all.
Play Melee or Project M and then go back to Sm4sh and you'll feel it.

Smash 4 isn't fast at all

Add Twintelle

>sm4sh
>fluid

you're over exaggerating.

>Snake returning
>ever

nigga you're gonna get spring man and you're gonna like it

just like how we got characters like robin and lucas over tharja and kumatora

Baby Fighting game for baby man child. KYS

>project m

Brawlfags get out and learn melee.

He's really not.

Seriously. Go play Melee or P:M, and then play Smash 4 afterwards. The games are night and day. Smash 4 is a slow, floaty mess.

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>ridley

kek

>Sm4sh is stiff as fuck and all the "combos" aren't natural
>Play Melee or Project M and then go back to Sm4sh and you'll feel it
>Project M
I can understand Melee, but Project M is the most stiff out of all of them, and un-natural. I've played the game for a year non stop, and it feels like I have to fight the game to do it's job. Either inputs don't come out, or something different from what I wanted, even the movement feels like the game is fighting with you.
>He's really not.
He is, I've played PM and Sm4sh, the game isn't as fast as PM or Melee, but it's not "slow" by any means.

There is a lot wrong here.

As long as they only bring back Ryu, assuming they bring back any of the DLC characters, I'd be happy.

Subjective wishes can't be wrong, user

and less jank
smash 4 has so much jank
characters like ness and corrin are all jank

what do you mean by "jank"?

Name me a good mature fighting game

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I'm from Michigan idk bout user that but here jank means broken or just bullshit.

Ness isn't really that jank but he's right about Corrin

I honestly don't see how sm4sh got as competitive as it did

Why do people keep assuming that there's going to be a Smash 4 port? That game was boring as hell and it's dumb to play casually with the bad stage and item pool.

NO SNAKE
NO BUY

nigga, i was talking about an actual smash 5. hence why i said "discuss a game that's like five or so years off" in the op

basically this
a sheik lost an important set the other day because their recover got clipped by some weird hitbox and they couldn't recover as high as normal

>Revamp Ganondorf
No, his moveset is great. Just give him better frame data, that's all he needs.

>inb4 Falcon clone
Moves are visually similar but that's it, the characters play very, very differently and all their moves have completely different frame data, hit boxes, knockback, etc.

>Not including Ice Climbers.

>Smooth lander badge
>Lateral air movement badge
>Low jump badge (some are better off without this however, like Bayonetta)

There, everyone is faster, everyone has significantly less landing lag, everyone can actually move like they don't have cement in their shoes and approach without having to rely on wavedashing.

Too bad the community is so up its own ass, the game gives you the tools to fix it yourself but no one bothers.

How Snake and Pokemon trainer look in that picture reminds of this

>Snake
No way he's coming back now that Kojima is done with Konami
Besides they need his moveset for Sami.

My other wishlist characters are Belmont (At least 4 of them, Bowser Jr. style) and Bomberman

Damn, saved the thumbnail. That blows

>more "fun" items that aren't collectathon instakills
>stages that don't have a million hazards on them

I never liked the idea of taking a cut character's moveset and just throwing it on to some unrelated new character. It's just asking for another Captain Ganondorf fiasco.

I mean as an Wars fag, wouldn't you prefer to get a character that has a completely new moveset from the ground up rather than just some lazy clone moveset? Snake's moveset was designed for Snake and Snake alone, and he really isn't the only unique newcomer lost to the ages. Squirlte and Ivysaur are gone forever too and we don't need their movesets awkwardly shoohorned in to some other characters. If you can't bring a character back, then don't bring him/her back. That's it.

>It's just asking for another Captain Ganondorf fiasco.
Anyone who still bitches about "clones" should really learn how the game actually works.

>he wants thos shit characters from those shit games

No Squid shit

No spring shit.

No real gamers are interested in those games.

nice meme

Snake's moveset was how Samurai figured out how to have a soldier character without having him just shoot guns, which he frowns upon (of course Bayo is there now so who knows)
I can apreciate the novelty of Snake in Smash and had a lot of fun with him but I've always though I'd be amazing if that was a AW representative instead of a guest character who barely had good games available in Nintendo systems (yeah I'm THAT kind of autist)
And I honestly can't really think of a moveset that would fit an AW character better (partly why I want Sami, of the original playable characters she is the most infantry design-wise so she'd fit the game better than Andy or Max with their mech focus)
Like, if you told me Arthur from Ghosts N Ghouls was gonna be playable as basically a retooled Link I'd be fairly satisfied. Maybe I just tend to settle for little.

for snake in a possible smash deluxe, he could be MGS3 era big boss, with some different move, since the last mgs game on a nintendo console was mgs3D.

Add AW Sami, Ever Oasis-trio, more NES-classics, BoxBoy and Banjo to Add, also add Dedede to Revamp. Basically all I need.

Give me Ashley or give me death!!!!!!!

>revamp Samus

She just needs tweaks here and there, not a revamp.

Only now are more players are finally starting to use Samus in tourneys for whatever reason.

I can't wait for the day a second Warioware rep is announced and it turns out to be Mona

I have never played Splatoon but will play exclusively as an inkling if they're added solely because I want to fuck one.

Nightgown alt when?

Why not simon belmont? Think of all those special moves

>people actually expected Tharja and Kumatora
Why are waifufags so damn retarded?

Hnnggggg

I just think she still feels kinda off in comparison to what she feels like in Metroid. Bunch of random kicks and physical attacks instead of firing lots of crazy projectiles.

Compare her current moveset to Mega Man's, and it's basically like night and day. Makes me wish Samus wasn't introduced into Smash Bros. until Brawl or Smash 4.

>Ribbon Girl over Spring Man
>literally who jet skier
>spinoff Zelda anything
>Ridley
It feels like 2013 again.

Also, instead of making a stage that switches between three different stages, just make them three separate stages. The Fire Emblem siege level would have been so much better if they just went that way about it.

Nigga, even Mona or Jimmy are more important to the WarioWare series.

Or if the levels were separated by breakable flooring. Like hitting the ground too hard causes the whole stage to crumble and you end up in a new one.

Though stages like Delfino Plaza, Mii Resort, and Mute City should remain as they do since changing battlefields is what makes them different.

The only way I'm buying a switch is if Travis Touchdown from No More Heros, or Nightmare from Soul Calibur gets in. Maybe Snake/punished Snake (they could do it because of Metal Gear for NES).

But yeah, I'm not buying a switch. Nintendo is retarded if tey thin that doing what the rest of the competition is doing will make me buy one. The only reason I bought a wiiu was because online was free (which no one was doing at the time because they're Jews), and because Smash. The system costs 300, so that's not very "affordable", and paid online which Nintendo doesn't have a good track record with already.

Why, why would I buy a switch? I bet all those 3rd parties they showed are just going to be ports again.

>no one else even wants Skull Kid anymore

There was a brief glimmer of hope when the MM rerelease came out, but I guess it was always an impossible dream.

>Revamp.

Everyone, pretty much. You know it's true. The new characters like Bayonetta, Ryu, Cloud, Little Mac, Robin and pretty much everyone new shows a great deal more inventiveness in their moveset and overall design, which makes the oldies look boring by comparison.

Guilty Gear.

Add:
>Inklings
>Spring Man
>Toad (not Capt.)
>Bomberman
>Ice Climbers

Revamp:
Dunno. I don't give two fucks about competitive Smash.

>Little Mac
God I want him to be actually good.

But how would you revamp Mario?

I mean, he represents his series perfectly as he does, and he's such a classic that you couldn't possibly make it any better?

How would a revamped, more true to games Mario and Luigi even work? What's the essence of their games and gameplay?

I'd just like a style change. It would be crazy to see a Gannon slam choke someone, and then whip out a sword and skewer someone.

we don't want to fiddle around for gameplay improvements, we want it default. why would we configure the options to make the game fun?

The only thing I could imagine for Mario is getting rid of FLUDD and adding in the hat mechanic from the new game coming out.

Fuck that, I don't want to play as this shitty old man Ganondorf, regardless of Frame Data bullshit.

His moveset, his frame data, his entire design has been dirt from the very beginning and he deserves better for being the second most popular Nintendo villain available.

I'm still waiting for a Fist Wizard kind of gameplay, the kind in which he empowers his fists with a sphere of electricity, crushes the ground and sends shockwaves, and even throws his trident somewhere down there.

I'm thinking Darkseid, or Thanos kind of feeling, not "the fat man who punches."

Reminder that pic related was the only indie character to get into Smash Bros in some way shape or form.

I'm already content with the roster as long as we don't lose Bayonetta, Megaman or Mewtwo again. But Commander Video would make me very happy.

I guess you could add abilities from Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi, but I feel that those games have enough unique content and crazy shit to just be separate characters imo

Imma tell you I'm not even a tournament player, but even I hate Smash 4. I won't even play the game, even though it has my boy Ryu in it. Here's what I want changed.
>Lower recovery on air moves significantly
The fun of Smash is about flying around on the edge of your seat and fucking shit up. If I can't attack safely from the air, it's no longer as dynamic. Neutral game in Smash 4 isn't fun at all, and not being able to attack from the air well as most of the roster is one reason. Make it so every air move feels like it was L-Canceled.
>Faster
Smash 4 STILL FEELS TOO FUCKIN SLOW. Why the fuck does it feel like the entire game is under water. Fuck that noise.
>Nerf dodge rolls
Why is this a legitimate defensive strategy now. This makes the game way too defensive. Fuck that shit.
>Get rid of Jab Lock combos
They feel weird, and aren't fun to use. They go against the free-wheeling feel that Smash Bros should have, and ends up feeling canned.
>More knockback on kill moves, earlier
Smash 4 characters can recover for like fucking forever. Some characters (Pac-Man) have to deal with this, and wait until the opponent hits 120% to get a reliable kill move, while others can get kills as low as 60% (Ryu). There is no reason that Ryu should be getting kills twice as early as Pac-Man, as they're both around the same speed and damage, and you could argue Pac-Man has worse range and aerials. Same goes for guys like Diddy Kong getting up throw combos that kill at 40% against some characters. That's stupid. Make it so that AT WORST, everyone can kill with a smash attack at 80%, and an aerial at 100%, with no chance to recover.
>Bring back edgehogging
This is the worst change in Smash 4, bar none. This gay ass baby shit makes the game way less interesting when edgeguarding. On top of that, make it so people don't snap to ledges as fast.
>Bring back real spikes
I should be able to kill someone with Marth's down air at 1%. Period. No matter who they are.

I would just revamp everyone, start from scratch. Make everyone as unique as the newest characters regardless of "History" or "Deserving". A full-blown reboot, and make everyone different for the sake of different.

I mean, Smash 4 is already huge, and there haven't been many new franchises to add, so focus back on the Veterans and make them all feel new.

horrible taste coming through
>louie/hocotate president (pikmin 2)
Slower, but more powerful version of Olimar. I didn't play pikmin 3 so I'm not sure if ALF would be a better choice or not.
>ice climbers come home
>Tapus/Guardian Deities from sun/moon
All 4 tapus with an alternate colour each. Tapu Koko would be the main one.(Works like koopalings)
>someone from arms and splatoon
Know nothing about either but Nintendo would probably want to push their new IPs if they're still relevant
>pushmo
never ever
>rhythm heaven mascot
Marshall is bland but Tibby's kind of shit so I'm not sure who would represent it.
>lockstep as side-a
pretty good

Stop being salty because you're too impatient to learn the matchups.

-Remove frame buffer or minimize it
-Add back options from melee for people would like to play the game at a higher level (wavedash, crouch cancelling, light shield etc)
-option to be able to turn sudden death mode off and have the winner of the match be player with most stocks and %
-Better stages, omega was a nice try but FD is not the only competitive stage also all stages should be the exact same to play on
Essentially Make it a true sequel to melee. Make it look nicer, have more stages and characters, develop the mechanics further. Smash4 felt like a good party game and a subpar competitive experience

>Wavedashing
Isn't that just exploiting a glitch?
I could understand everything else but why do melee fanboys cry that they can't abuse a glitch anymore?

she's really only decent on flat maps
anything else and she can get outplayed

I personally didn't like the idea of a glitch either but it's essentially a perfect mechanic
It's easy to perform but near impossible to master
it has millions of applications, makes movement more fluid and interesting, lets you act out of shield faster, makes combos more complex, etc
Has offensive and defensive uses
Out of all the mechanics of melee it's one of the best, despite not being intentionally added which is why it's difficult for me to imagine a new installment not having it while also being as complex as melee

make smash vkend

Doesn't seem like mk8d vkend is happening anyway

just do it here so we can avoid the discord fags

I understand your opinion.
Maybe if they can find a way to implement something similar without it looking unnatural. In my opinion, I don't care if the mechanic is amazing, I don't want to watch my character or the opponent's slide around without moving their feet.

Also they would have to make sure everyone can benefit from that mechanic. That glitch is way more useful for some characters.

Chances of Waluigi making it in?

The best wavedash belongs to luigi - upper mid tier
Worst wavedash belongs to peach and shiek - High tier
Falco also has a okay wavedash despite being one of the best characters

So essentially what you said is completely untrue

Why haven't Nintendo made a Waluigi or a Daisy game yet? I doubt we would get either of them until then.

So what you're saying Melee is only balanced because of a random glitch? Got it.

Until he's actually put in a mainline Mario or Wario game, never.

Lets have add shovelknight and quote from cavestory too

Rather they remove all the girls. They poison the game with their faggotry.

I want to commit a crime.

I just want Simon Belmont so we can finally have Castlevania in smash.

I just want them to remove the jap lottery bullshit they had for unlocking custom move options and such.

Honestly, I think they could trim a few characters and the game would be better. Not sure they could handle the fan blowback though. Yeah, a couple characters are clones but 58 is still a lot.

Also nearly everyone having absurdly good recovery in smash 4 also bothers me. If you get knocked far enough off the stage you should die.

>add Bomberman

I really, really hope so. Super Bomberman R is actually a great game and having it exclusively on Switch as a launch title can only be a good thing... right Nintenbros?

I just want Dixie Kong

Let me have my Diddy/Dixie tag dream team matches

I WANT TO BELIEVE

he's too sexy for sakurai to put in smash

>Meleebabies have to ruin every single Smash thread with their insistent whining
Literally the most cancerous community in video games.

>indie shit
>in smash bros

pick one

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