>“Obsidian did a great job of capitalising on the timing of Kickstarter and the wave of nostalgia for these type of titles,” goes his hypothesis. “We've seen that most of the titles after Pillars of Eternity, if you look at Wasteland, Torment - they haven't been anywhere near that kind of success. So maybe it's that a lot of nostalgia fed into the initial bubble and that's why. These games have a market, but it's never gonna be that peak [again].”
Wow it's like Obsidiots don't want to admit that Obsidian creates generally unlikable and unsellable games
>Obsidiots defending lack of features in their unfinished game
Jack Lewis
You know how Shadow of Middle Earth had a cool Nemesis system that was promising if it were used in a game that wasn't dogshit?
Tyranny has a cool spell system that might be good if they improve it and put it in a game that doesn't involve you fighting the exact same enemies from first level to max level.
Ian Carter
Are you a mad biodrone?
Alexander Jackson
>these games don't sell because people don't like them anymore >surely it has nothing to do with the quality of the games
Matthew Diaz
Are you a butthurt Obsidiot?
Isaac Howard
Good, less normies playing them is only a good thing
Jordan Watson
Literally how?
Noah Scott
Fools are now beginning to realize why genres died. They died for a reason.
Broken Age, Mighty Number 9, Pillars of Eternity, Yooka Laylee.
Easton Rodriguez
>normies Redditard.
Samuel Garcia
Nah I have no interest in obisidian after MCA left, but obsidian does make pretty solid games.
Christian King
Tyranny was far from "pretty solid," so you're a liar.
Justin Lee
>poe sold it was literally the shittest crpg of them all wasteland was better, most of the other crpg kickstarters have been better
Eli Scott
I think the game had true potential, it was a breath of fresh air in an otherwise stale fantasy genre.
However, I do have one or two beefs with it: yes the combat was tedious. But I found it more vexing how no matter what you did, you were forced to fight against the Overlord in the end, even if you followed him fanatically during the entire game.
That and there were no romances Barik and Verse ain't gonna fuck themselves y'know
Dylan Adams
>multiplayer It was fun wrecking coop kids in dark souls.
Matthew Hughes
It was good, I had fun with it. better than most RPGs in 2016
Adrian Cook
>it was a breath of fresh air in an otherwise stale fantasy genre. In terms of setting, sure. But not in terms of gameplay. There was no enemy variety. You either fight humans in bronze age gear, or a couple kinds of ghosts. That's it. For the entire game. >it was good No it wasn't. >better than most RPGs in 2016 Yeah and the shit I took this morning was better than most RPGs in 2016 too.
Jace Gomez
Yooka Laylee was good
Sebastian Jenkins
so you're going to post this every day along with the rest of your pastas huh?
Aiden Martinez
>No it wasn't. That's like, your opinion man.
Jeremiah Miller
AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL
MY EMPIRE
OF DIRT
(Negative reviews don't count for Yooka Laylee, but positive reviews for Pillars of Eternity do somehow)
Logan Morales
>reviews
who cares
Elijah Scott
Yeah, I played a mage most of the time, best way to play the game. If you go into it as a spell-caster and try to appreciate the excellent writing in the game, its very enjoyable. The original premise and themes also really helps. The best parts of the game are spent conversing with companions and Archons.
James Lopez
>negative reviews of yooka laylee count, but positive reviews of poe don't, somehow
Jaxon Cox
it's a statement of fact. the combat was shit character progression was non existent act 1 was good but everything after that completely betrays the game's motto soundtrack is dull looks worse than PoE1 has worse companions than PoE
Michael Garcia
It was okay, it had too many negatives that outweighed the positives. Doesn't mean the genre is bad though.
Xavier Fisher
>Soundtrack is dull >Implying the opening theme and Kyros aren't fucking awesome
Joseph Parker
>has worse companions than PoE Shit, that must be quite an undertaking considering how shit were PoE companions outisde of Eder.
Austin Mitchell
yes I thought it would be hard to accomplish but they somehow did it
Ian White
>Eder Literally the 2nd most boring companion right after Sagani. Only homos like Eder.
Nathan Barnes
grieving mother and durance were better than eder, who wasn't even that good.
Luis Hill
Do we really need to keep spamming threads about this? It's not like Obsidian fanboys will change their mind they've been delusional for like 15 years now.
Lucas Walker
I meant the setting, story and atmosphere. Those were pretty original and fun. I also truly enjoyed being the "bad" guy for a change, though I'm fairly sure Turon would've kicked my ass had I been truly evil. I wouldn't necessarily call the Overlord malevolent either. He/she may have had very good reasons for setting his/her laws the way he/she did. After the game ended, we still don't know shit about the ruins, the towers. What if we had inadvertently woken up something that could end the world? I mean, come on, every NPC with a lick of sense tells you they are BAD NEWS and should be avoided at all costs. I'm pretty sure it was foreshadowing.
Wyatt Green
>you were forced to fight against the Overlord Yeah, that and the fact that the independent route obviously suffered from cut content. Like, the game hints at independent rebel and mercenary armies but you can't actually recruit them.You can get repuation with them but it doesn't actually get you anything, storywise. I wonder if we will ever see Obsidian actually finish a game. All of their games have evident cut content and rushed endings. glad i pirated it
Jason Richardson
>GM how can someone have taste this shit? GM is Pallegina-tier of bad.
Colton Green
>game about getting stronger while serving an evil overlord >shocked that they see you as a threat really activates my almonds
Samuel Clark
Tyranny was a decent idea - gave me a bit of a Black Company vibe. It just didn't have the best execution and felt like it'd been rushed out the door.
Probably the most interesting title out of PoE/ToN/Tyranny.
Bentley Stewart
Yes, that is how it ends.
As for Tunon, it's more like >You have broken the law of Kyros. Do you have anything to say in your defense? >So, I was like, hey, both sides are shit, Kyros is shit, everything is shit, you know? So yeah. >Your words have shaken me to my core, I now realize my blind faith in Kyros has been wrong. Now that I am a changed man, let me bend a knee to you and serve you and your law for eternity, oh mighty player character.
Tyler Nelson
Have Obsidian ever actually released a game that doesn't feel unfinished?
Colton Rivera
Pillars of Eternity.
Dylan Jones
epic shitposting.
Landon Rogers
I wish they would make turn based instead of RTwP.
Hunter Sanchez
Man, you're one of THOSE shitposters, huh
Juan Young
>diversity the shitshow didn't sell
wow
Aaron Myers
The Black Company was a major inspiration.
It's a shame we don't have a real Black Company game though. Books of the North are top tier.
Robert Walker
>Eder
That blank slate faggot? Durance was the only companion worth a shit in that shitty game.
Carter Cox
3/4 of those games are bad, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove
Jaxson Green
why? literally every other cRPG is turn-based go play them
Jacob Long
>Books of the North are top tier.
The only tier you mean. The not india books were fucking terrible
Luis Price
REMINDER THAT KOTOR2 IS THE BEST THING OBSIDIAN HAS EVER MADE
Jordan Rivera
Yeah but PoE is the one that's good so it's a bit misplaced. and those 3 were bad because they're just plain shitty productions, not because the genres are archaic.
Noah Murphy
It's almost like developers that can't ride on nostalgia have moved on to the superior system.
Carson Green
>shit games doesn't sell well and people say the market is broken
Michael Morales
>Yeah but PoE is the one that's good so it's a bit misplaced.
You mean Yooka Laylee - PoE is trash
Brayden Sullivan
>Implying Shadow Games isn't at least good and everything past it went downhill
I'm not gonna say I don't want more Black Company books and seeing if Croaker actually comes back, but I do think the setting of the North is utterly superior.
Carson Baker
I just want more. Not that I don't appreciate that some people like RTwP and that games should be made for you also.
Jeremiah Russell
Genres don't become bad because of the entries that represent them.
Sebastian Rivera
I don't get all this drama, these games don't sell a lot because they are very niche and Tranny wasn't that good 2bh
Jace Scott
PoE has universal critical acclaim, everyone hates laylee. Could it be that you just have shit taste?
Landon Lopez
I'll grant you it was good until not india
Damn it was just terrible, I couldn't even get past the first chapter of the last book.
Austin Rogers
>universal critical acclaim LOL no more than Laylee
Juan Morgan
PoE was shit and not nearly as good as other similar indie games like D:OS
Charles Gomez
I keep buying every new shitty CRPG but i skipped that and Pillars of Eternity because i got a whiff of SJW bullshit. I don't mind undesirables in my games, i just refuse to pay to be told what to think about them.
I don't even mind the fags and duckgirls, i just hate the mentality and expectation they have that i put up with it. Also niggers.
There is still a market for these games, it might be small but the fastest way to shun them is to inject SJW bullshit and neo-Bioware writing into the game.
Ethan Murphy
How is Divinity? Worth buying it or 2 when it comes out?
Jordan Ward
reviews of poe count, but reviews of yooka laylle dont, somehow
Oliver Murphy
yes? objectively it has gotten a much better reception than laylee.
Xavier Myers
who said this?
Hudson Edwards
I actually enjoyed Sleepy, but Murgen was only okay. I thought Sleepy brought a lot to the party as Annalist, but felt Tobo was bit of a special snowflake and that more attention was paid to Murgen's love life than had been Croakers.
Jaxson Edwards
Sounds like you should stick to your safe space, snowflake.
Jaxson Ross
>duckgirls
What the fuck is this?
Parker Wood
>he doesn't buy shit he doesn't want >he must be a special snowflake that can't handle a REAL crpg like Tyranny! Kill yourself niggerfaggot
Daniel Bell
>Pillars of Eternity is great >Sells well >Sequel gets successfully funded >Tyranny is garbage >Sells badly Woah, really makes you think.
Leo Brooks
>Calling anyone else a snowflake when you need a spectrum of genders to feel special
Cooper Clark
This is clearly a case of gamers not wanting to play RPGs. They should definitely stop making any more RPGs since it's a dead genre.
Nolan Miller
That's quackin' crazy
Tyler Evans
Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Sebastian Roberts
>everyone who oppose me must be a crazy Tumblrina I'm getting too old for this shit.
Joseph Mitchell
Nah.
It's because they just have boring unimaginative plots for the most part.
Divinity Original Sin did pretty well. So clearly people still like RPGs if they have compelling plots.
This is the same argument levelled against Mankind Divided, that game flopped because the plot stank and it wasn't even complete.
Brody Thompson
>everyone who opposes me must be a crazy Sup Forumstard
Right back atchya, shlomo
Jace Adams
Game was fine content wise, and as an oldfag im fine with the combat.
What I wasnt cool with was that it was marketed that you were evil, but you couldnt actually be evil. The writing was trash and the story, which started out (during character creation) being cool devolved totally into regular chosen one trash. I wanted to be a cog in a machine burning down villages, not making typical bioware "moral" decisions.
Gabriel Bell
>people who cry about SJWs incessantly tend to be right-wing SJWs More news at eleven.
Jason Carter
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Daniel Reyes
>I dont understand
Xavier Stewart
No, it wasn't. Compared to BK and the rest of Rare's catalogue, it was uninspired, boring trite.
I don't know what went wrong, but it's not a good game.
Dominic Sanders
The slippery slope is real, in time, you will understand.
Christian Morales
You mean the unfinished, poorly written, piece of trash game didn't sell? Whoa, really made me think.
David Jones
No game where Croaker narrates your choices and the Ten terrify the shit out of you.
Why even live?
Adrian Peterson
>uninspired, boring trite.
meaningless blibber-blabber
Charles Davis
I don't know why these developers think copying old games wholesale without bothering to update the gameplay to modern conventions or fixing decades old balance issues. People dealt with those things back in the day because their tolerance for shitty unfun mechanics was much higher because you didn't get new games all the time. You got a new one occasionally, and you played through it to completion no matter how bad it was because it's what you had.
These days, if someone really wants the nostalgic 90s CRPG experience, they'll just go play Baldur's Gate or Fallout, they're not going to bother with some new age clone that failed to improve the formula or provide a new and memorable experience.
Tyler Jones
Wasteland 2 wasn't really an RPG. It was one of them tactical games, wasn't it? And it shared the same problem Fallout: Tactics did before it: not really appealing to the RPG crowd, but to a niche of a niche. Plus it looked fucking bad even by Unity standards. WHY IS EVERYTHING SO BROWN? IS THIS THE LEGENDARY NEXT GEN GRAFIX?
Hype for Torment was STRONG when people were nostalgia bonering over Planescape: Torment, but Torment wasn't Planescape: Torment. It was some dev studio tricking a lot of people with their "spiritual successor" hype, despite not having anything at all to do with PS:T. When it finally shipped--later than any other kickstarter-backed RPGs which were backed later than Torment--it was shipped missing a lot of promised features and apparently the developers had to have their bacon pulled out of the fire by Obsidian's intervention helping them get the game into a launchable state. No wonder it didn't do well when even the backers were negative towards it.
Bentley Anderson
I bought this game but I got bored of it quite early on, much sooner than PoE. I thought the red and purple thing interesting but kind of disappointing. I won't be buying any more of these kickstarter RPGs I think.
Nolan Baker
>I don't know why these developers think copying old games wholesale without bothering to update the gameplay to modern conventions or fixing decades old balance issues.
Even worse, they hardly ever manage to capture what made those games work. So what we end up with is a game that has none of the modern conveniences the mass market wants, and doesn't appropriately scratch the itch of old grognards.
Worst of both worlds.
Adrian Lewis
Tyranny wasn't Kickstarted, for the record.
Grayson Perez
Wasteland 2 is good for one playthrough, but has 0 replay value because of the way the game was plotted.
Kayden Cook
>mfw people shit on Arizona even though it's the most versatile part of the game >then these same people praise the linear as fuck Los Angeles
Lincoln Cook
I definitely like Los Angeles more because of the crazy brain eaters -- wasn't a fan of the mountain cult or the railway natives, but there were at least decent ways to solve them
Daniel Reyes
>because you didn't get new games all the time >wtf is Golden Age of rpgs
Xavier Reed
I kinda resent the implication that those games are loved solely or even mainly because of nostalgia.
There's plenty of stuff text-based does better than voice+video based, more efficiently too.
As with modern so called "QoL" changes in the MMO genre, there's plenty of modern things that are considered conveniences which can actually be detrimental to the greater general experience of a game.
Game are constraints. And sometimes things that felt like external technical constraints had a real game-related impact.
Landon Stewart
If all the game had writing like the opening sequence, I would've bought it. The actual game left me disappointed, and I dropped it after hearing it didn't get any better
Michael Martinez
>How dare they make an old style game >All games need to be like CoD or Skyrim because that's what sells >I mean, sure, they didn't make a loss because the games were completely funded before development even started, and sure a lot of people enjoyed the games, but STOP MAKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE Autism
