Behold the endless abyss! Within lies the heart of all worlds: Kingdom Hearts thread!

Behold the endless abyss! Within lies the heart of all worlds: Kingdom Hearts thread!

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I gave up on the required grinding of the mobile game and went back to the optional grinding of KH1 to get Ultima. This is my life.

Billy Zane was GOAT as Ansem!
SUBMIT!
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I don't like the mobile game. And it sucks that cause of that 80% of discussion on /vg/ is just
>rate my pull

WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

It's either that or let the thread get taken over by those who just won't let the general die temporarily again.

Only way to keep the general alive while also talking about the games.

Rate the series like so:

Level Design: KH1>>DDD>KH2>>>>>>BBS
Combat: KH2>KH1>DDD>>>>>>BBS
Art Design: KH1>>>DDD>>BBS>KH2
Story:KH1>KH2>EXTREME POWER GAP>DDD>>BBS
Equipment and Abilities/Inventory:KH1,KH2,DDD>>>>>>BBS

KH1 Has is stronger than the rest of the series overall because after 1 the series overcomplicated almost everything. The combat in KH1, KH2, and DDD is good for different reasons so they tie. BBS is a terrible game.

Good b8 m8, but here's better

UTINI!

>Go to Force Awakens World
>Daisy Ridley becomes the main character
>for the rest of the series
>your party members are also Daisy Ridley
>all the buttons do is make Sora say "You go, Daisy!"

Level design: KHIIFM > DDD > Re:coded > the rest
Combat: KHIIFM > Re:coded > DDD > [Re:]CoM > KHFM > BbS > χ >>>> Days
Art design: They're all kinda the same to be honest, with the exception of χ
Story: CoM > coded > χ > the rest >>>>>>> Days
Equipment: Re:coded > KHIIFM > CoM > the rest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Days

KH1's cramped levels and poor conveyance make its design more often burden than benefit.
It is without a doubt a rough game in all aspects, and as much as I love KH, it's hard to really enjoy KH1 as much as I used to.

IIFM is the objective best in the series as all elements of the game work together to create a tight, unified experience. Nothing is out of place and shortcomings in one area are often in service to the successes of another.

Even Stevens world when?

how old are these screenshots?

These threads are on life support and that's putting it generously. If we don't get a trailer at E3 kiss the fandom goodbye

SORA GOT AN "F"

Why the hate for Days' story

It's a bad game

No shit, but I'm asking what puts its story below that of the other games.

>tfw you skip the last word of a post
It's a bad story too

>KH1 has the best level design
this shit better be bait

That one is from like a month or two ago.

Days is just Old Yeller with a less likable dog

I'll just ask this here then.
What is your favorite game of the franchise?
Which game has your favorite combat system?
Will we get KH3 next year?

Why have none of the bosses outside KH1 and 2 had such great personalities like this? I don't think I remember a single boss quote from BBS or DDD.

Something something Osaka

Agreed. Just fought him last night and I realized he's my favorite boss in the franchise. Due to his personality not so much the fight itself.

>Level design: KHIIFM

What's the best way to play 1 and 2 FM? I really want to replay them, but, it seems like no matter what I do it's going to be shit.

>All the HD ports have numerous bugs that hinder the gameplay and lessen the experience in some form that makes the games notably worse

>Emulating it would be okay for 2 FM, but, apparently 1 FM's translation is incomplete and buggy apparently

Is re:COM any good anyway? I liked the GBA version a lot but it seems like all slapping KH1's engine with a card game skin is making fire the best move in the game. Could really care less for BBS or any of the games after since they all look like hot garbage.

>What is your favorite game of the franchise?
BBS
>Which game has your favorite combat system?
KH II
>Will we get KH3 next year?
Probably

How did he fit underneath that?

>What's the best way to play 1 and 2 FM
PS3 versions if you are scared of the bugs.

Technically, it's empty. It's just his heart, soul, whatever.

You can always just play the vanilla version of 1. FM didn't actually add much, its most notable additions are rewards for beating the superbosses but the game is pretty much over by that point so you don't do much with them.

>DDD and re:COM combat
>Above KHFM
Also, your intense hatred for Days seems suspicious.

Cory in the House world when

Don't the PS3 versions have a shitton of bugs too? Lack of audio sound bytes in battles, its own series of crashes, drives being fucked because they load too slow, etc?

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This guys goes into good detail about it, but, he's not the only one. It's frustrating since it makes it difficult to want to play this.

I might have to do that, I just don't know what the big differences between the two are. I've only played 1&2 vanilla, but, I want to get the best experiences when I replay them. Just really frustrated since all I wanna is play them without having to resort to a garbage port.

I prefer a world based on Der Fuehrer's Face.

The PS3/PS4 version is the best way to play KH1. You get all the FM content, a couple new abilities on top of that, and the ability to skip cutscenes. Also better visuals and such.

For KH2, it's a bit trickier. The visuals and music are fantastic in the HD ports, probably the best HD remaster I've ever seen in that regard, but the gameplay is better on the original PS2 FM version. The PS3 version suffers from some insane loading times (that actually impact the gameplay mid-combat, if you try to use a Drive form), and the PS4 version has some weird physics issues because of the framerate and the save crashing bug. There was a patch to fix some of that but it's still present to an extant. Both versions also suffer from fucked up sound effects and Xemnas's RC not working right. If you're gonna do shit like the level 1 run, I recommend you do it on the PS2 version, for playing more casually, the HD ports are fine.

Abhorrent pacing. I mean the worst narrative pacing I've ever seen in my life.
The supporting cast may as well not exist for all they serve the story.
Characters are flat, creating a character-driven narrative where the characters are driven by the narrative. It's very messy. You can tell the preceding canon of KHII was fucking up the melodrama they wanted to tell.
Xion as a character is... bad. In a broad sense, she retreads the storyline of Riku-Replica from CoM, so she can't offer any thematic additions or explore any new ideas. She's a Frankenstein's monster of other characters' traits and concepts (Riku-Replica, Sora, Kairi, Roxas, Naminé), making her feel completely forced and unlike any other character in the franchise. Stamping onto that "the secret 14th member of Organization XIII" was just... why? Why do this?

The ending renders the entire narrative pointless, so for a game that marketed itself as answering all your burning questions and revealing the secrets of the Organization, it really fucked it up by focusing the entire narrative around a character who would disappear without a trace and, in effect, never have existed to begin with.

Combat is a lot more than how much fun you have smacking things with a metal pole.
KH1's combat design is, in a word, clumsy.

You have Sora, who himself handles clumsily (I have no problem with this per se) constantly put up against enemies in numbers Sora can't handle, with capabilities Sora can't reasonably counter.

A GREAT example of this is the Cave of Wonders fight. You have to climb on this dancing lion head (fucking annoying already), while it shoots homing lasers and summons Heartless.
The Bandits can and WILL fly into you from across the map, and you're just stuck up here smacking this eye without a way to properly defend yourself.

If you want to keep enjoying KH1, don't play it on LV1.

NIGGER WHAT? kh2 took everything kh 1 hand going for it and literally made things twice as good

>If you want to keep enjoying KH1, don't play it on LV1.
KH1 was never designed for Level 1. The guys doing the HD port just tacked it on because it had become a series staple, but it's obvious that the game wasn't built with it in mind. The game's meant to be played like a traditional RPG, where you level up to gain new abilities and have some room to soak up damage and cure through it. That's not a problem, exactly, though it does make it weaker as an action game compared to 2, but it really doesn't gel with the idea of a level 1 challenge. FFS, you don't even get Scan on a level 1 run in KH1.

And coincidentally, the Cave of Wonders fight is where I quit the level 1 run of that game. I've beaten all the Data Org fights plus Terra's LW on Level 1 Crit mode, but that fucking tiger head is impenetrable.

>If you want to keep enjoying KH1, don't play it on LV1.
That's the thing, I already have, and despite how shit some of the fights were (air soldiers can go fuck themselves), it made me apreciate the basic gameplay a lot more, because of all the different tools and strategies you can use in fights.
I honestly think KHFM (outside of LV1) is way better than DDD and re:COM which are both unbalanced and overcentralized around specific tactics and have absolutely zero flow to their combat.

I think this thread is worse than the vg one

Reminder: Yen Sid is gonna come out of retirement and go all Keyblade Yoda on everyone's asses

KH1 at least has depth to it. It rewards you for good timing and skillful execution, weapon clashing/parrying has a lot of applications, there's a wide range of useful abilities, enemy and boss designs are pretty well done (for the most part), etc. I'll take that over "mash square and then use an OP command" any day.

>KH1 was never designed for Level 1
Yes, naturally.
But playing it at LV1 reveals the amateurish concepts put into the combat by a team trying to do something they'd never done before.

I nearly quit at Cave of Wonders.
It only gets worse. I quit proper at Anti-Sora.

>it made me apreciate the basic gameplay a lot more
I can't imagine how. All I found was an oppressive "challenge" of enemy groups and bosses tailored to target Sora's shortcomings (mainly range and speed), rather than challenge the player's ability.

Exactly. The problem is that it is much harder to get into than the other games in the series, which is why most people don't bother with it.

>Star Wars makes it into Kingdom Hearts
>It's Force Awakens instead of the Original Trilogy

I just wanted to team up with Luke or go to the Death Star and fight Darth Vader. This is some monkey paw wish shit if this comes true.

>I can't imagine how.
By forcing me to make proper use of magic and summons, which are much more efficient than smacking stuff around (even outside of LV1). It also made me learn how to deal with enemies, and it turns out that, outside the early game, you actually have methods of dealing with them consistently.

I will literally fight anyone that doesn't agree that, after Aqua, Namine is the hottest KH girl. The way that white dress hugs her body, her long blonde hair...muh fucking dick

Just started playing as Sora in Final Mix. Goddamn, this game is fucking fun. Critical Mode is pretty neat.

>as sora
Which game?

>get kissed by a girl
>after the kiss she playfully winks at you
>holy shit
>start contemplating a whole future with her
>soon find out she's fucking the guy who bullied you AND her
huh...

Hey! Where did you come from?

There is only one game where you don't start as Sora and has a Final Mix

This world is a tutorial... Soon to be hated by the player...

My mistake, I'm pretty tired right now.

I recommend learning to use magic and summons. It will make your life much easier later on.

COME GUARDIAN

i platinumed kingdom hearts 2 on ps4. and i did everything you can do in kh1 with 3 trophies left.

none of them hindered my experience or made it worse in any way whatsoever, and you are fucking retarded for buying that. they were the best possible versions of the games i ever played solely because of the 60frames

How the fuck do you get past the the huge possessed lion head in Agrabah? Playing for the first time on proud and this is the cheapest fight I have ever played

Hit the eyes.

the flying swords come out of nowhere and two shot you. I've been on this shit for weeks now

Block?

damn nigga you suck. literally just jump on him when he lowers and keep hitting the eyes. try to keep your balance on him, and jump whenever you think those bandits will fly towards you

Sounds like you need to grind. Or git gud.

xv-kun told me the whole series is shit and Nomura too

Don't summon him please

Because it serves no purpose from a narrative perspective. It introduces a new character and immediately removes her from existence at the end of the game.

This. You haven't seen destruction until you start using Reflect regularly. That spell is busted in the best way.

They also added Gummi Ship missions and new synthesis materials that make making Ultima weapon more difficult in the FM version of KH1

Don't do that shit here.
This.
What's more broken: Reflect in KH2 or Balloon in 3D?

re:CoM I'd say is about on par with the original. They added a few things that are kind of nice, and none of the other things they added are what I would consider really bad.

On the other hand, they retranslated the dialogue, and it is SO GODDAMN BAD compared to the original's.

Balloon, hands down. Reflect requires timing and is tied to your ground combo, so you can't just spam it. Balloon is just "Press X to Break the Game."

>tfw DDD pretty much spoiled the whole setup for KH3 and there will be no surprises when it comes out
DDD was a mistake

Literally 20 tries in a row kill me

Use Aero to up your defense. Don't get greedy attacking the eyes because you know that the Bandits are going to gank you; pace your attacks on the Cave of Wonders with defending yourself from the Heartless.

>that HP bar

why is it so tiny

I'm thinking it's one of two things: the HP is tiny purely for game testing purposes, and they were running some experiments when the screenshot was taken; or the giant Heartless has multiple spots you can attack, each with a small health bar.

Patrician taste, and an optimist to boot

Yeah, I figured it's like Guard Armor or in beta, but it was sort of jarring

>What's more broken: Reflect in KH2 or Balloon in 3D?
Reflect is high AoE damage, with a condition that puts you in danger if you screw it up and an MP cost to limit it. Balloon is just high AoE damage with a negligible cooldown.

I think it's obvious. The command deck was a mistake

>he thinks he knows how KHIII is going down
Haha

Not really that unbelievable, considering we knew nothing of Ventus' past prior to him Xehanort's pupil

This. Don't try to get ahead of Nomura or think you know what his thoughts are.

Thanks. Aero seemed to do the trick

Aero is one of the most useful skills in the game. There's a lot in KH1 that can be tough to see coming, so Aero can give you a buffer so that you don't die. The upgraded versions can even outright block some attacks.

What's a good level to take on Phantom? He kicked my ass like crazy when I was a kid

40-45 should be more than enough, once you know you to fight it you should be able to basicly take no damage, it's more of a gimmick fight

Were there any bosses in BBS or DDD that talked? All I remember fighting were Unversed and Dream Eaters.

TIME STOP and some Ansen and Xehanort quotes
That's about it

>currently at level 70

The Norts did. Actually I think Xemnas' quote about the Recusant's Sigil was pretty good, but that's more because of how he said it.

After Hollow Bastion should be fine. He's a pretty easy, monotonous boss, as long as you know how to fight him.

You need to have Peter and Goofy take off all of their abilities (except MP Gift), load them up with Ethers, and go at it. Just make sure to cast Stop on the clock tower regularly to prevent Doom from going through and have the basic three elemental spells in your shortcuts. You can also hide behind the tower to avoid the ball he'll shoot at you once you hit him three times.

That's not fair, Xemnas could read a phone book and it would sound like pure sex