When will this little fucker stop freelancing? I swear to god it's getting annoying

when will this little fucker stop freelancing? I swear to god it's getting annoying

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>be a wagecuck goy, don't rely on your talent that allows you to be hired whenever you want

He fucked himself over by being a freelancer.

I wish he, Josh Sawyer, and Tim Cain would just get over their creative differences and make VtMB 2.

But he's never gonna lead a project like this

Maybe he doesn't want to lead a project anymore and he effectively retired.

Did Josh even work on VtMB?

But that's not how creativity works. You need to be on the same page with your creative team.

feargus urquart already said avellone rejected multiple offers to lead a project at obsidian post kotor2.

avellone will never again be director on anything.

>I wish he, Josh Sawyer, and Tim Cain would just get over their creative differences
what creative differences?
these three have literally never worked together before on the same project.

I'm not okay with that.

No, avellone just doesn't wanna work with obsidian, he's explicitly said so.

is that so?
then why has he literally not written anything major for any other company then? Or led any other project?
He quit Obsidian because of Chris Parker. That's it. He doesn't hate anyone else there.

prey seems like it was a fairly significant involvement. Ultimately, I dunno if he wants to lead, but obsidian having offered him work is not convincing, the guy just seems on bad terms with them no matter how you look at it.

SB: Hypothetically, if Obsidian were to make a hypothetical new Fallout spinoff, would you hypothetically want to go back to obsidian and have some involvement with it being that Fallout is so close to your heart?

CA: No. While I like the developers and wish them all the very best, there's too many other problems at the higher managerial level to ever consider stepping back, especially when you could make a step in a direction that mattered for the franchise. Even leads at Obsidian have said as much (most after departing), and they told me they felt helpless in their roles to do what they felt was the right decision.

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>prey seems like it was a fairly significant involvement.
It wasn't. He only wrote a handful of audio logs and e-mails. He had no other involvement whatsoever. He came in on the project when the game was 1 and 1/2 year away from release.

>there's too many other problems at the higher managerial level to ever consider stepping back,
Yes, ie. Chris Parker, who is a massive fucking asshole to everyone there. There's a famous event on stream where he gets caught yelling at the South Park team "what the fuck are you doing at this party? Get the fuck back to work!" and Feargus intervenes and says "No, fuck you. Stay here guys".

that's very upsetting, but not entirely damning.

that sounds neat. got a vid?

nope, didn't save the twitch stream vod
i know some guy has the link though, I initially watched it here on Sup Forums

get rid of sawyer, he kills all fun and interesting shit

How so? He's still relevant because of it

yeah sawyer can fuck off. People like Mitsoda or boyarsky instead.
Muh grognards xddd

He's done too much to ever not be relevant

I have it on good authority that he's working on arcanum 2.

I can imagine that doing some freelance writing is a lot less exhausting than working as a creative lead on something like Planetscape Tournament, Kotor 2 or the New Vegas DLCs, but considering how much acclaim those aforementioned titles tend to get for their writing & stories (especially in comparison to his other little bits of writing), I hope that he'll eventually be willing take on a new big project and write something comprehensive again

Stop reminding me how much I hate working for someone instead of myself, Chris.

What is his next game to be released? DOS2?

Yeah probably. or some kinda thing no one has heard about. he just released an enchanced edition of pst

>too big to fail

all his creative energy from his youth washed away. He knows this and is scared to release anything because he knows it won't compare to his older stuff.

No, NV was good.

That was Josh's project.

not the good parts

Why the fuck would anyone willing admit they wrote Prey?

literally the most quoted and discussed character in NV was written by Josh.

Cause it's getting a really positive reception? John Carpenter praised the writing

He wasn't the lead writer for Prey though

ok

didn't he literally just do cass?

New Vegas was released 7 years ago

Yes, and Dead Money, Old World Blues, and Lonesome Road.

They made him do 3/4 of the DLCs? Wow, poor guy. Must have been a rough time.

Yeah. And two of them are complete shit. Wonder what the fuck he was thinking.

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>using tucker as a reaction image

Huh,hope some user will share it.

They worked together on Pillars of Eternity. Apparently Josh nixed Chris' stuff, which caused him to leave the company

No, that was just Tim Cain. Still, all of them are Black Isle refugees.

Josh isn't part of "higher management". Chris wasn't incredibly upset about the GM cut (she was a shit companion anyway) and he doesn't hold a grudge against Josh like people like to fantasize about.

He's responsible for a lot of what made New Vegas great. I can't get a read on him.

vtmb is troika tho.

how do you know? he does seem a bit bitter on obsidian.

read>No. While I like the developers and wish them all the very best, there's too many other problems at the higher managerial level to ever consider stepping back

That's a baseless rumour. It's more likely that he had a problem with higher ups making decisions outside of his control than creative differences with another designer.

Which Tim Cain founded with Leonard Boyarsky after they left Interplay and Blackisle in 1998

>giving a shit about celebrity devs or whatever
>it has this guy on it it must be good
>it doesn't have anyone I've heard of it must not be good

why do you do this

Idk why you think josh doesn't count as higher management just because he isn't a company owner.
>From an outside perspective, however, it appears when Bethesda likes working with a studio or see their potential, they seem to buy them (Arkane). They didn't buy Obsidian, though, even though Obsidian is eager to be bought based on recent interviews. It might be for the best - I don't know what would happen to the devs if Obsidian was bought, but the upper management would likely come out okay with that exit strategy.
Idk, for someone as unerringly neutral and professional as Avellone, there must be SOME bad blood to say things like this

Because Sawyer isn't higher management. He isn't management at all, he's a director for their video game projects.

? Maybe because Josh ISN'T upper management? He literally has nothing to do with the management of Obsidian. He doesn't deal with publishers, he doesn't deal with finance, he doesn't deal with human resources and recruiting, he doesn't deal with economic strategy, he doesn't deal with budget. All he is is literally a game director and designer.

And your statement only supports what I said in the post you're quoting.

Whatever I'll still choose to believe he dislikes sawyer cause I idolize MCA and I don't think much of sawyer, and it's nice when your idols agree with you.

yeah you do that fuckboy

You're damn right I'm a fuckboi

Oh cool. I guess it all got wrapped up in Gamerate and that transsexual tombstone controversy that the truth was somewhat lost. Glad to know some of my favorite video game devs don't hate each other.

huh? who ever related chris departure to gamergate? Your social circle is unhealthy, please do better.

"My social circle" doesn't know who the fuck Chris Avellone is. It was just the rumor on Sup Forums at the time. Chris left suddenly, and then Josh buckled under that controversy. Since a lot of people here disagreed with Josh's decision, I think the rumor grew out of that. People thought Josh Sawyer was some kind of SJW who wanted Chris' story lines to be PC or something. I don't remember. It was a crazy time.

Weird. Chris has never been that controversial, he's just a really competent writer, not an edgy one. In fact his twitter can be a bit cringy at times for someone that doesn't like sjws.

>hurrr why would you even care who directed the film

The rumor that I heard was that Durance and Grieving mother had some kind of weird rape thing that Josh cut out because it would offend people.

Glad that that wasn't the case.

I fucking hate the "there are multiple people on a project so the lead director doesn't matter because he can't be held responsible for every component" meme. leave.

Man, that'd be terrible. I am afraid we are losing tragedy and the dark side of humanity with all the pandering going on.

narrative designers are the cancer that killed gaming

I'd rather just play the game rather than obsess over which staff member from this company I don't work for is responsible for which decision. it doesn't matter unless you're thinking about hiring them

It's a way to find good games. just like reading more from an author you like is a good way to find enjoyable story with qualities you know you like.
also I feel invested in the industry that's been a part of my life like this, I'd like to see the talent flourish.

Or you know, just following people who's creative works you have enjoyed.

Are you a retard or something?

But he's right though, faggot.

>look a new rpg with all the things I like
>avellone didn't write any of it? dropped

Sawyer's not really into censoring himself in the name of political correctness. He's a very liberal guy in the genuine sense, not the modern american one. He's defended his decisions to include rape and racism and misogyny in his games many times over because he's not interested in painting a dishonest picture of what people can be like.

>look user didn't say anything i just posted
>but i'm still going to post anyway because i'm a worthless shitposter

>look there's a game I'm not sure I'll enjoy!
>oh, a person that has shown himself to have a knack for making things I enjoy is involved
>might give it a shot!

I was really weirded out when I read about that in the wiki.
Supposedly Durance came upon the Grieving Mother when he was in torches and pitchforks mode and tortured her, but the two don't recognize each other because of Grieving Mom's masking shit and Durance's soul having been maimed.
It was a rather pointless addition overall if you ask me.