Dwarf Fortress vs Rimworld

Dwarf Fortress vs Rimworld

Which is better and why?

>nobody replied
>Better remake the thread
This is the power of autism

Rimworld because at lwast it has sum grafiks

To be fair Rimworld's graphics are such digusting dogshit I'd rather abstract myself entirely with DF's ASCII

did they work out stupid relation shit? i always had some retard getting mad over not being loved and playing game so the two would never ever meet because one is a retard was a chore

They're not dogshit, they're what they're supposed to be

I always only play with 100% men on Rimworld so I guess it works out for me

>abrasive trait, ugly or incapable of social
>kill the off at first sight

Dwarf Fortress is the simaltionist's dream. It hasn't been surpassed in terms of all the details and subsystems implemented.

However, it has dogshit UI (contrary to the popular belief, the ASCII or tilesets are not the problem, the UI is the key deterrent of newcomers). In this case, Rimworld is pretty great. It is obviously much shallower than DF, but it still can be a lot of fun.

I can tell Dwarf Fortress is incredibly deep in terms of its capabilities and possibilities, but since I'm too dumb to keep my Rimworld fortress running I naturally have difficulty even thinking what to do in DF.

You can abstract urself perfectly with shit grafiks. Think of it as a board game.

a simple and obvious observation. you explained nothing anyone worth educating didn't already know
you get points for trying, though. most people don't anymore. keep it up. for instance, often times a complex observation can start with the statement of obvious facts

They're both good games but I prefer dwarf fortress since it allows me to go in a wold wide slaughter.

Also, goblins are shit.

Dwarf Fortress has many more layers of complexity and features

Rimworld is more polished, accessible, and more complete overall.

What's with that galactic butthurt, user?

Nothing more needs to be said. He answered the OP perfectly.

explain in greater detail this post. I have no idea what you're implying. if I didn't know why you made such a strange reply, I'd say I was confused

>Dwarf Fortress has many more layers of complexity and features
not really, it has more bloat and menial bullshit

you're correct. he answered it perfectly. I even alluded to that in my first post by saying it was an obvious observation
that brings me to another point; the op is a stupid faggot. introducing "vs" between any two nouns is a recipe for stupidity. as I said, it's obvious just by looking at the games the answer to the OP's question. that is to say, with a little thought you could come to the conclusion that the question is retarded

Considering that these games are supposed to be simulations, you expect them to have as many features as possible

Rimworld makes for a much better actual game. Dwarf Fortress has insane systems and potential but a lot more time spent doing menial shit waiting for things to happen.

This

Dorf will get more popular once you don't have to hop through a ring of fire with your legs tied 500 times just to set your military up.

>land with three colonists, all mid-20s, 2 girls 1 guy
>guy spends the entire first year getting rejected by both girls, constantly butthurt about it, but otherwise very useful as an excellent shooter and builder
>50-year old unemployed artist shows up running from raiders begging for help
>kill raiders at great cost, nearly all die from wounds
>original guy's leg is crippled, has to limp everywhere
>old guy doesnt take a scratch, is fucking useless, high social and art and literally nothing else, bumbles around doing nothing while everyone nearly starves while recovering
>keep him since at least he's good with traders
>have him make some art to nice the place up a bit
>he instantly starts fucking the hotter girl that the other guy was after
>she is insane for his cock now
>all of his artwork is of the two of them having wild sweaty sex and he puts them all around the colony for the first guy to see while he drags around his ruined leg that he lost protecting us
>later the old fuck gets a spine injury and cant move from bed
>girl doesnt give a shit, spends all day feeding him and fucking him
>i finally have him euthanized in a fit of vindictive bitterness

>select dwarf
>add to squad
>???
>profit

>mfw Rimworld doesn't even have fucking z-levels

Df is fun, but it's entirely up to chance if cool shit happens, and it's usually rare and far between. Rimworld fixed that with the ai story stuff

>Active and success fort in DF
>Military is training away in the barracks
>See a single dwarf just sitting there
>Other dwarves are sparring with the dwarf, but that one never moves
>Check and see what's up
>Somehow her neck was broken
>She his dead from the neck down
>People have just been bringing her food and water while using her prone armored body as a training dummy
>I really want that armor and her weapon back through
>Can't just remove her from the military because he has to take off the armor and weapons
>Wait until training hall is empty
>Lock all the doors
>Wait out the eventual death and reclaim the items feeling very guilty

>People have just been bringing her food and water while using her prone armored body as a training dummy

DF is a simulator

Rimworld is a game

DF has too many ways to exploit the game that you can do

Rimworld has balance, every strategy or tactic has a flaw

DF is better, Rimworld is a great game of its own.

You don't sound deep or educated when you dissect posts like this. You just sound like an unbearable doucher.

>Rimworld has balance, every strategy or tactic has a flaw
Because of this new generation of balance faggotry in game design we get bland Skyrim instead of Morrowind with its spellmaking, and will never get another Arcanum or Fallout.

>le bad UI meme
The UI is fine except maybe for the military screen, which just has lots of submenus. Try learning the hotkeys. I agree it deters a lot of Cowodooty types but that's mostly because they're bads used to slow-as-shit mouse-navigated menus instead.

It takes an hour tops to memorize the basic hotkeys and they're intuitive anyway ([b]uild > [b]ed to build a bed etc). Dfhack plugins improve on this by adding search functions to menus that used to just require lots of micro, like the trade screen.

DF has far more content but you seriously have to downgrade it for its UI. People who say 'git gud' or something along those lines when talking about a UI that limited, backward and lazy are basically taking pride in having wasted countless hours of their lives purely because every action takes so many extra button presses than a game with a proper UI would require.

I prefer Rimworld because of the research tree, makes it look like your colony is actually progressing technologically.

DF gets kinda stale after you get to a point.

Setting up a military isn't that bad but I'll admit the menu isn't intuitive and requires reading the fuckin wiki (which new players are really bad at)

>have slightly more armor made than you have soldiers
>choose archer preset for Marksdorfs, metal armor preset for melee (if you're new, ideally have 1 weapon type per squad)
>schedule them for one month training, one month off, rotating different squads
>for marksdorfs, set the squad to "inactive - not training", assign an archery target but not a training room, disable all their other jobs and they'll skill up their xbows in their free time
>make sure you have dickloads of bolts of just 1 type for your marksdorfs, multiple types assigned for training/combat and not enough bolts will cause equipment mismatches

Wtf, user? I keep shilling DF for years, from Sup Forums and reddit to local forums and game shops where I play tabletop. UI is definitely the key obstacle, I've literally watched people of various interests and capabilities playing DF and struggling with all that mess is an objectively sound reason.

>Cowodooty types but that's mostly because they're bads used to slow-as-shit mouse-navigated menus instead.
Again, very narrow-minded of you, user. People who play tabletop with me prefer GURPS and some of them work in my field quantum field theory, enjoy complex games and skip all the AAA console bullshit. They still get discouraged when presented with all that mess that is DF UI.

I always see anons such as yourself claiming the good old 'git gud', but this is the classic blind fanboyism. I have been modding the game and contributing to the wiki and helping anons everywhere for years, one would think I'd be the first to defend the game.

Not even fanboy-ism. It's a fact that keyboard-only controls are always faster than Keyboard & mouse or Mouse/rightclick menu based games.

I'm agreeing with you that yes, the UI and graphics are the major hurdle to people getting into DF but neither are anywhere near as bad as people make out. I mean the game itself isn't even hard, yet people make this big deal out of "ermagerd DF so hard". SS13's the same, every person I've shown that has just bitched about the controls and "how good this game would be if it was 3d".

I wish I could show those people Aurora 4x; an actual hard game with a shit UI and "no gfx".

>It's a fact that keyboard-only controls are always faster
Oh, sure, nobody argues the contrary. It is irrelevant, however, as the topic was, basically, "why are people discouraged to play DF".

>yes, the UI and graphics are the major hurdle to people getting into DF
>le bad UI meme
hmmm

>an actual hard game with a shit UI
user, at least one of us is retarded. I consider DF UI shit and Aurora actually has completely sane UI which suits the embedded functionality. Maybe you don't understand what UI is? Maybe I don't?

And your argument that
>It takes an hour tops to memorize the basic hotkeys and they're intuitive anyway
is a classic red herring, just as your "fastest" argument.

I mean, seriously, how hard could it be for an alleged DF player (you) to comprehend this:
keyboard is fastest (true) implies UI is not shit (actually doesn't imply)
you can some spend time to memorise it (true) implies UI is not shit (actually doesn't imply)
Logics 101

Here's an example: Goldbox Games. Shit UI. 100%. Pure shit. Does it work? Yes. Can you memorise it? Yes. Does it prevent you from enjoying the game? Not really (maybe just a bit), but can be a huge deterrent for "considering-it"-players.