Why is it only 3, maybe 4 classes are actually useful above the "average" skill level?

Why is it only 3, maybe 4 classes are actually useful above the "average" skill level?

That's not true though

Medic, Scout, Soldier, Sniper, Demo. That's 5 bro.

Becuase it's a casual game

You will never be able to completely balance characters with different stats.
Just look at chess, shit is literally the same but because white goes first the winrate is higher.

>useful above the "average" skill level
What does this mean?

They're actually all useful, you might just be bad.

>chess

what? Youre forced to use every piece

But you both have the same pieces. Now imagine if you only had a select few and your opponent the rest. You can't balance around that.

Not the same guy but he's clearly talking about how white and black have different "stats" giving white a higher winrate.

>making demo a white dude

never change Sup Forums you bunch of fucking idiots

Are you dense?

Heavy and Pyro are the only classes that really applies to.

Even then heavy is a sit in for engineer when you need a last hold and don't have time to sentry up

>That Demo
>White

What?

are you stupid or just blind?

Sniper is an off class, keep dreaming pubbie

>clickpoint adventure: the class
>skill
pick one

>Medic
>Literally click once and vaguely follow ally target to win

>Scout
>spam space bar and either A or D while mashing M1 to win

>Solider
>make the absolute bare minimum attempt to aim at your enemy, if you don't hit them you'll still kill them with splash

>Sniper
>equip razorback, stand at designated sniper nest, click on giant hitboxes, no need to even bother with headshots in TF2

>Demoman
>spam grenades in the general direction of the enemy, ideally down one of the many choke points in every map or hallway. Spam stickies on Intel and detonate when anyone gets close.
>if you can't even manage that you can literally become an infinite range self healing max damage melee class

>""""""""""""""""""""skill""""""""""""""""""""

Medics I love you guys but you don't take that much skill, like just know the heal order and know how to surf and you're a pro medic.

The reason the other classes are actually useful is that they require aim, but I respect Spy even if he is mostly a luck dependent class mixed with skill.

It's not that some classes aren't worth playing, it's just that some are just inherently easier to actualize than others. Like, it's easier to enter Scout's hit and run niche than it is to get into Pyro's wide area pressure niche, and until you get to that point, you're stuck doing general damage that other classes will surpass you at. It's more that there are maybe 4-5 classes that are viable at average level and every class can be used once you learn them, but some take shit tons more time to get into than others.

I thought Pyro was a zombified Sniper for a second

Usefulness and skill aren't the same thing, idiot.

just because it takes no skill doesn't mean it's useless in the hands of an otherwise skilful player

retard, he wasn't talking about skill. learn to read or don't post
retard, he wasn't talking about skill. learn to read or don't post
retard, he wasn't talking about skill. learn to read or don't post

who let all these dumb fucks into Sup Forums? first Overshit, now this

>You will never be able to completely balance characters with different stats
nah
>character with 100 hp 200 damage
>character with 200 hp 100 damage
simplistic example, but shows anything can be balanced

pyro is fun mode

That example doesn't work. Meta becomes playing the 100 hp 200 damage class because they can 1shot everything while the other needs 2 shots to kill its own class.

Thread topic is about usefulness. A viable offclass is useful.

then you give the 200HP class 5% more movespeed
bam
game balanced

Wow you're right, that solves everything.

All games favor range and speed over both damage and health.

it's all numerical values. it's all a matter of establishing how useful a particular stat (range, speed) is, and reducing or increasing that stat relative to HP and damage.