In this day and age, is using cartridges again (like the Switch is) a good idea, or should the industry stick to CDs?

In this day and age, is using cartridges again (like the Switch is) a good idea, or should the industry stick to CDs?

>needs physical distribution
You console boys really make me smile

>Boy I sure do love not owning my games because I buy only digital!
You PC boys really make me smile

Cartridges offer superior loading speed. Their previous problem - limited storage space - is no longer an issue. The only concern is price, but buying in volume should offset that quite a bit.

Nintendo fucked up by not allowing devs to have the option to make carts with surplus storage for patches and DLC

That would be perfect. Carts that could hold everything.

meh, might as well keep using cheap ass discs and offset downloading what didn't fit on that as a patch to the consumer. There's still no problem here laserdisc memelord.

We should go back to putting video games on vinyl.

I think it's a good idea but it makes pirating/emulation much easier

When we going back to tape?

>the disc looks so heug in his hand

Ooh a laser disc thread

I hate it to break to you, but most likely when they shutdown servers, your consoles will turn into bricks and all all exclusivities will be lost forever.

Meanwhile we pc boys will just download right emulator and game for free from the right p2p network and roll on. Until it has audience it will have people willing spend resources to keep the pirates going.

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Shit's on blu ray and looks phenomenal. Get with the time gramps.

pretty much every console and handheld has been hacked except for the 3 current ones.
I can see that being a problem.

That's a big disc

Yes

Depends.

Cartridges are fine in my opinion for portable devices like the Switch, especially now that flash memory is more viable then it was before. While UMD's were a interesting design for the PSP, they were flimsy as fuck and the drives are one of the most common failing points for older PSP systems, not to mention how loud the loading was.

However, I think for normal consoles, Blu-Ray or the equivalent will still be a better choice due to low cost and how easy it is to mass produce VS Cartridge. The downside is load times even with installations are still going to suck ass.

Only thing is I wish that Nintendo didn't make the Switch carts so small and made them closer to GBA width size or so. Way too easy to lose shit.

*can't see

within 10 years consoles will be all digital
screencap this

The Switch isn't using cartridges in the same sense they were used in the 90s. A "Game Card" might have different data density and power requirements when compared to a Blu ray, but that's nothing like when SNES games would strap on an extra CPU.

Optical discs are disappearing anyway, PCs don't need them these days and I wouldn't be surprised to see PS6 at least have disc free model. Retailers are probably the main source pushing to keep games on shelves, but developers are already shipping empty discs that you install and update right away.

>Way too easy to lose shit.

This is true... but only if you're an idiot. Learn to take care of your shit, plain and simple.

I game pretty regularly on PC and consoles, and while I like the convenience of digital distribution I still have that ingrained autism of wanting physical copies of my favorite games.

I understand that it's a silly thing to latch on to, but I just like having something I can hold and put up on my collection shelf.

For you

you know you dont own games either way right?

thats how software works, its all liscenses

Dont cry user, one day you will grow up, find a job, make enough money to buy pc with overblown budged only to find out you have grown out from videogames and return back to impregnating your real 3D waifu.

We all are going to make it.

It can become problem with pc games if we dont do something with denuovo or with W10 locking down hardware (uefi) and forcing to use windows app store.

Also fuck denuovo. You cant even mod the game with it properly.

Cartridges are causing the Switch version of games to cost more.

As long as >5mbps and data capped internet connections exist I don't think we'll switch to physical only.

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It allows the disc to hold more graphics.

If you are able to buy a console you're also able to download games trough the internet.
How about we save space and time by having a permanent storage device in peoples home, download the games into that and then play it?

Switch games are the same price as Blu rays one, how easy it is to mass produce is not your problem.

we're closer to 2020 than we are than the start of this gen

digital only

Despite what autists here say, physical media is dying, and quickly

With all of the day one patches and DLC we have these days, even if you own the disc you'd be pretty fucked if servers shut down

But really, there's not much point to getting -any- media physically unless you're a collector

>not thinking about long term
i'm not against digital but for consoles, if the servers are shut down you lose your games and that's it. until we get a way to back them up like on pc, i'll refuse to make the switch

>I like to spend $60 on a game and not own it.

digital games are the same price as retail and many times retail ends up cheaper from discounts and sales. plus you don't lose access when the servers eventually shut down. so, why do people defend this again?

Are we posting our LDs?

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>Having to rely on Piratefags to keep games
Worst timeline

Have the download servers for any console been shut down, ever?

Legitimate question, the only one I know of is the DSi, but there was literally nothing worth playing on the DSi in the first place. The only thing even slightly worth playing would be that one Shantae game, and even then if you actually purchased it on a DSi, you can transfer that purchase to a 3DS and redownload it from the 3DS's eShop.

switch is a handheld

>plus you don't lose access when the servers eventually shut down
He believes this

noice
I want to start putting lds on the wall (like people do with records) cause I think they have better cover art

As much as I like LDs the fact that they don't have a spine kills my enthusiasm to collect any.

>Have to install the entire fucking game to the PS4 or Xbone hard drive in order to play because they can't read the disc fast enough.
Bring back cartridges as a standard.

the xbox original servers got shut down. just because it used xbox live doesn't mean it's still supported. microsoft will likely shut down servers for the xbox 360 soon. also the wii servers got shut down as well

The Wii shop's servers are still up, actually. Just the multiplayer servers went down.

Just multiplayer server for Wii.

A lot of games still have the DLC shop active, hell you stil can buy songs on Rockband.

Unless you want to start paying close to $100 for the cartridge alone (before and data is put on it) they won't be able to read them fast enough either

The industryy is moving to no physical copies of games at all and that's what you'll get in the future. Expandable system memory and downloadable stuff only.

The problem with disks is that devs pretty much bloat the filesize for sake of filling the entire BD. Compression and removing all that extra languages would be really good.

>buying digital
>when you can pirate
just kys PCfat, you can't even do that right

>That got deleted

Fucking seriously? There wasn't even any nudity. I haven't understood the mods since 2007.

I didnt wanna buy a mirror so i mounted one in the guest bathroom as a mirror. Its a good conversation piece

Yes. They're faster, compact, and can carry a lot of data.

Discs are going to be outdated soon. Probably within 10 years

What was actually on the original Xbox's servers? Could you actually download games from it?

Never had one and now I'm curious. I know it had a whopping 8GB hard drive so you had to be able to download SOMETHING.

It's still the best possible format for some movies or animation shorts
Betty Boop for the longest time had LD as it's best format if you wanted it uncensored for example.

I buy games since i got my first job. The last game i pirated was modern warfare 2. Since then i buy them because i can easily afford to.

And trust me, i was as dumb as you are now and considered buying games as stupidity. Turns out your morals and personality change as you grow up.

And it was spoilered.

Time to see if I got banned for it!

>backup game onto other medium
>???

You have the same amount of ownership either way.

We can cram hundreds of gigabytes on tiny-ass sd cards and thumb drives. Why bother with CDs if you have to put it on physical media?

Sony does it right. The digital game is locked to you account, true, but you don't need to be online once installed (if it's your main console), plus you can backup the games on an external hard disk and from there where you want.

Maybe if your console is set on fire after Sony shuts down you lose the games, but then I recall the PS4 to have an option to import the data from the backup of another console. I haven't tried it but if online authentication is not needed, you pretty much won't lose any game ever.

Probably a case for switching to USB flash drives or something similar. Can't really see why not, especially for consoles that let you install the game.

>You have the same amount of ownership either way.

Ha, yeah sure pal. Good luck selling it when you're done with it or just don't care. Good luck trading it, good luck letting your best friend borrow it, etc etc. Never mind the fact that hard drives fail all the time and then bye bye games. Meanwhile.... I have my favorite games on physical that I've had for 25 years that I can do whatever I want with whenever I want because I actually own them.

Moder flash cards won't retain data for more than a decade when not in use, though. They are not like the old ROM cartridges, the data on them relays on a voltage retained in tiny transistors that have unavoidable current leaks and will empty themselves over time.

CD/BD, when built right, are guaranteed to last 100 years or more.

Cartridges are more useful, but discs are cheaper. There you go.

Fuck cd load times. Seriously.

So what you're saying is we should use ROM cartridges
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Like the Switch does?

Switch cartridges are flash based. ROM hasn't been used since N64.

I hate to break it to you, but that's why I usually buy physical copies of games on consoles

For you

Pssst, hey OP

>good luck relinquishing ownership
>when your initial argument is maintaining ownership

>argueing about hard drive fidelity when the post you are responding to is about making backups

You are trying too hard to shitpost, user.

>I hate it to break to you, but most likely when they shutdown servers, your consoles will turn into bricks and all all exclusivities will be lost forever.
what a load of bullshit, what the servers have to do with physical media, not even microshit uses "always online" shit

Flash drives are faster, cheaper, and have more storage space than disks
So yeah, cartridges is the way to go
The only reason cartridges were replaces by discs was because, you guessed it! Discs are faster, cheaper, and have more storage space

This is just the natural progression of events

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>Steam
>buying digital
>owning any game for real

What does it feel to be permanently cucked, user?

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This is one of the dumbest posts I've read. Seek help user.

The main problem with PC games is not Steam per se, but the fact that games won't update to work with newer operating systems.

At least with consoles, you know the games will work forever without any unoptimised trickery like Virtual Machines or dedicating whole PCs + OSs to certain games.

Or just a line of code to read off the systems HDD and scan for the updates/DLC.

But V's are piss easy to use and have essentially no performance loss. Consoles on the other hand have a lifespan. Eventually they will break and eventually their will be no replacement parts

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Any storage medium that requires spinning a fragile disc at high speed (be it a CD/DVD/BD or an HDD) is going to be a problem in a portable device. For stationary devices they're fine so taking advantage of the superior price per GB there makes sense, of course, so I doubt we see them go away for those for a very long time.

>m-muh morals
>proceeds to shit on console memers
double standard

inb4 the gnome shows up and whines about mean stalkers.

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I thought Manlytears stopped coming around Sup Forums.

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He posts his videos all the time and will rabidly defend himself in filename threads. Just give it time.
He's made nearly 3000 posts defending himself on another chan in the span of a year.

>Not Manlytears lends Vern Troyer his controller.

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is every one just going to ignore the fact that

Holy shit gimme source

Optical media costs pennies to produce it will always be cheaper than cartridges/flash media. Best case scenario everything will be digital distribution, worst everything will be streamed.