Who was in the wrong here?

Who was in the wrong here?

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Smelly dumb ghoul scum

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Only good ghoul in the Capital Wasteland is a dead one.

Around ghouls, don't be a fool

Ultimately, the ghouls.

I got them in, and butchered them for their traitorous crimes when I came back.

Second playthrough I just blasted that ghoul piece of shit in the back of the head mid sentence.

Tough words from a deadbeat entertainer. Ive already been shot twice in the head and still kickin.

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Functional settlement with every right to turn people away. The rich nutter at the top is a problem for Megaton, but the residents keep to themselves. Those ghouls are lucky they weren't simply shot.

Ghouls in fo3 are just like n*ggers man.

The guy in underworld is like "man go kill those guys they be ghoul haters n shiet" but he only want their keys so he can steal some bling power armor to impress unmutated women.

The ten penny ghouls are like "we are discriminated against n shiet" but when you stop the discrimination they still chimp out anyway

About to start New Vegas. Should I run everything vanilla, or should I at least install the bug patches and NVSE?

>bust your ass trying to get a bunch of ghouls who hate you into the tower because love and equality, ghoul acceptance and diversity is good for us
>they murder everyone while you're gone
>kill everyone in a righteous rage
>TTTTHHHREEEEE DAWG HERE LATEST NEWS, THAT RACIST CRACKA WANDERER KILLED ALL THESE GHOULS WHO DINDU NUFFIN, JUS TRYNA GET FINNA LIVES BACK ON TRACK NAMSAYIN

You should install jsawyer

Ghouls.
They violated the NAP.

Clearly the Ghouls.

This was always a retarded dilemma anyway. It isn't equivalent to real life discrimination, because the Ghouls literally will become murderous savages in a few months time. The moral argument is that, at the absolute least, the Ghouls should be kept away from the tower.

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Bethesda

>not akin to real life discrimination
>literally become underpins savages
>radical muslims and uneducated blacks do exactly this
:thinking:

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Tenpenny's an asshole but I don't think everyone else deserved to die

>so uncreative that they literally substitute the "problematic" parts with the version in game

That reddit post is at least 2 years old and I'm still mad.

Much better
See how easy it is to get the same message without being a racist asshole

profligates

The entire quest was a euphemism for black people

They're being horribly oppressed, liberals come in and help them move into white-class neighborhoods, then suddenly every non-Black starts to die in that neighborhood

GHOUL TOWER

Thanks for posting the version where I won't get my fee fees hurt by the evil right wing death squad version.
Justice for Trayvon

>not getting the ghoul mask on every playthrough for use in Point Lookout

I mean I made sure to type radical and uneducated and not racist, but yeah I'm a nazi because I told the truth

I find this comic still presents a rather flawed viewpoint on the quest. tl;dr, it's still racist.
The Tenpenny residents are all transparent facades of Pre-War racism that's now being projected onto Ghouls because it's easy to call them literally inhuman from their looks and association with feral ghouls. They're a heavy-handed attempt at making them instantly "bad", because they are oppressive and biased against a group they stereotype and believe to be inhuman, Ghouls. This sets the modern gamer up to be biased against the Tenpenny residents from the start, and sympathetic to the downtrodden Ghouls. However, if one doesn't ken the message of "these super preppie people who call this other group inhuman monsters and threaten to leave when you convince everyone to play nice together" and is instead sympathetic to the Tenpenny residents, it calls into question their motives beyond the gameworld.

For years i thought shotguns were shitty in this game, but if you use custom ammo and the right perks, like shotgun surgeon plus and Stay Back, they're fucking amazing. Sniping faggots with slugs out of a customized hunting shotgun feels so good

Except it's not the same message.

>rayciss maymay
back you go

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The ghoul.
He clearly was showing aggressiveness from the start while he was eating.

Yeah, Especially not Adventurer bro.
Adventurer bro's life alone is worth more than 3 terrorist Ghouls any day.

When the player arrives, Roy is cursing at the intercom and says they'll pay for this, or something to that effect. When you enter the tower, you're presented the opportunity to either Kill the Ghouls for Tenpenny, or Find a Peaceful Solution. You can also get the Kill the Bigots option from Roy when you go visit him in the metro tunnels, but at no point does Roy come off as someone who wants to live with these people. He obviously has a vendetta, and if you try to arrange a peaceful coexistence, he makes it quite transparent that he's unhappy with some residents. He immediately kills Tenpenny, breaking the agreement you set up. It's only a matter of time before he lashes out against the rest of the residents -- who have behavior which ranges from "yeah they're okay" to "oh my god how could you force me to live with those monsters", many of whom were against the Ghouls moving in until your silver tongue (or strong arm) managed to sway public favor. If you understand racial tension, you will see the massacre coming before you even begin the quest. It's lampshaded at every turn.

Yeah I browsed /r/fallout too.

the entire quest is a trap for good players, where just blind good intentions doesn't work out. its a good quest 2bh

No

The ghouls are, the place was a paradise in the wasteland. Even in good guy playthroughs I always killed Roy and them.

I couldn't give less of a fuck about the rest of the people in that Tower but the moment those fucks laid a hand on Dashwood they signed their fucking death warrants.

>Bethesda predicted the immigration crisis almost a decade ago, even including the reaction of the media about how the poor ghouls dindu nuffin

How deep is Todd's game?

>The humans
+ Literally need to live there to survive in the post apoc hellhole wasteland
- Are a little mean to the horrifying looking people, many of which are mindless monsters that attack anyone nearby, but can eventually come around to be really nice

>The ghouls
+Their skin isn't white
- Don't actually need to live in the tower to survive because they're ghouls
- Don't attempt to act in a way that might make them come across better
- Murder people that welcome them with open arms if given a chance

What was bethesda thinking by making this the good option?

>See how easy it is to get the same message without being a racist asshole

This is a quote from the mods of /r/fallout I believe when they deleted the other versions after it was the number 1 post of the month or something. You can only know that if you are or were a redditfag of course but that's the joke.

No, it was muslims. They are let in and people die, or they are killed on the spot and the media calls you a racist for attacking the religion of peace.

Which is the first one?

>What was bethesda thinking by making this the good option?
It's not the "good option". It's a pretty great quest, more subtle and grey than most you'll see even in NV.

The don't be a fool one, some redditor took offence and created the sanitized version

look up the uprising in haiti

Funnily enough, the raciss one was the original. The other one was made because people on reddit and tumblr couldn't handle the raciss one :(

this one

Every ghoul quest is like this though. In The headshot assasin quest that one salty ghoul in underworld tells you to kill 5 people because they're "ghoul hatin racisstss n shiet" and then when you talk to underworld residents and tenpenny you can find that he has some shady but unknown motive and have the option to kill him. When you kill the people and deliver the keys, he just goes to fort Constantine and gets some "sick ass T51B" to "impress sum human wimmin". Then, he tries to kill you. Like Jesus Christ Bethesda's ghoul quests basically are racist shitshows that tell players not to trust black people

Why is the original version smaller and blurrier
The nignogs were already in haiti.

Source?

talks shit about radical muslims invaded the middle east amd killed hundreds of millions a few years before

How is it grey? If the ghouls had a serious reason to want to live in the tower, it might be grey, but they only want to live there for material/comfort reasons while the humans need it or something like it to live because they aren't mutants that can survive fallout

Is that true?

The ghouls, obviously. Who in their right mind wants a bunch of rotting zombie maggot farms that will eventually go nuts and cannibalize you as neighbors?

reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/383zyw/fallout_3_karma_racism_removed_better_moral/

>How is it grey? If the ghouls had a serious reason to want to live in the tower, it might be grey
Because the "right thing to do" (i.e, helping the needy and promoting coexistence) bites you in the ass, and even if you do the right thing (killing the ghouls) you still get demonized for it.
Very realistic.-

Bethesda.

how the hell did a high building like that survive when everything around it collapsed into nothing.

eat bag of dicks murican shit, killed millions and milliions in the past decade litteraly the new nazis with the new axis of evil (israel, saudia arabia) talks shit about muslim extrimists that they litteraly created trough al qaida, the taliban and saudia arabia

>reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/383zyw/fallout_3_karma_racism_removed_better_moral/
Reddit is pure cancer. Holy fucking shit.

Ghouls stink like rotting corpses and chunks of them randomly fall on the floor. No one wants to live with them especially rich people who have a secure tower.

so when the oppressed are FINALLY given some rights, it's completely unreasonable that they'd still feel the injustice of YEARS accumulated prior? the "ghouls" did nothing wrong

It was clearly already reinforced, there are other buildings like Lucky's which are still standing. The walls around it have taken the brunt of the damage and the back of the tower was clearly damaged as it's been covered with metal plates to reinforce it. Tenpenny mentioned moving in and maintaining the place.

Don't you have kids to run over instead of shitposting on Sup Forums?

but again you aren't "helping the needy", you're helping the greedy that want to live in the comfy place for no real reason besides "it's not fair"

They sperg out about even linking it apparently

>reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/383zyw/fallout_3_karma_racism_removed_better_moral/
Holy shit, I had no idea the memes about reddit being this bad were actually accurate.

nope not until the cia brainwash me, dont you have a genocide to commit? ah das rite cant mossad the assad

/thread

Fucking this

>for no real reason
"The wasteland sucks" is a good reason. And you're right, the ghouls were indeed just greedy vengeful fucks, but that's not how the quest is presented to you on the surface. At first glance it looks like the average black and white "evil racists need to be convinced to welcome and coexist with poor unfortunate people", that's why it's such a good quest.

>leave muslims alone
>they become terrorists
>bomb muslims
>they become terrorists
>criticize their religion
>they become terrorists
>bring them into white countries
>they become terrorists
>call them terrorists
>they become terrorists
>leave them alone
>they become terrorists

They did nothing wrong except slaughter a bunch of innocent people and throw their bodies in a closet

i don't remember muslim terrorists in europe before you created them in the middle east.

muricans theyll burn the world and blame it on the wood

a few less bigots in the world isn't the saddest thing i've heard all day

>nope not until the cia brainwash me
Your religion already did, Ahmed. What are you waiting for anyway? I know 4chna is filled with virgins, but they're not for you, you have to kill yourself first.

A few less cucks would be even better

Careful there Abdul, you might overheat and set off your explosive vest.

oh thanks for another one!

>americans bomb muslims
>they terrorize europe

not the brightest batch of monkeys.

The Tenpenny residents are all transparent facades of Pre-War racism that's now being projected onto Ghouls because it's easy to call them literally inhuman from their looks and association with feral ghouls. They're a heavy-handed attempt at making them instantly "bad", because they are oppressive and biased against a group they stereotype and believe to be inhuman, Ghouls. This sets the modern gamer up to be biased against the Tenpenny residents from the start, and sympathetic to the downtrodden Ghouls. However, if one doesn't ken the message of "these super preppie people who call this other group inhuman monsters and threaten to leave when you convince everyone to play nice together" and is instead sympathetic to the Tenpenny residents, it calls into question their motives beyond the gameworld.

When the player arrives, Roy is cursing at the intercom and says they'll pay for this, or something to that effect. When you enter the tower, you're presented the opportunity to either Kill the Ghouls for Tenpenny, or Find a Peaceful Solution. You can also get the Kill the Bigots option from Roy when you go visit him in the metro tunnels, but at no point does Roy come off as someone who wants to live with these people. He obviously has a vendetta, and if you try to arrange a peaceful coexistence, he makes it quite transparent that he's unhappy with some residents. He immediately kills Tenpenny, breaking the agreement you set up. It's only a matter of time before he lashes out against the rest of the residents -- who have behavior which ranges from "yeah they're okay" to "oh my god how could you force me to live with those monsters", many of whom were against the Ghouls moving in until your silver tongue (or strong arm) managed to sway public favor. If you understand racial tension, you will see the massacre coming before you even begin the quest. It's lampshaded at every turn.

Careful not to explode with anger

>i don't remember muslim terrorists in europe
Learn some fucking history.

me, for playing that game

>i don't remember muslim terrorists in europe
That's because they weren't terrorists, they were invading armies taking over places like spain

Since it was harder to travel long distances back then, they were content to terrorize eachother for believing in slightly different stories of a pedophile warlord

So, this comic tells lies, essentially. Roy does not ask the Player to help find a peaceful agreement; he straight up tells you he wants to kill every last motherfucker in that building. You have to suggest finding a peaceful solution, first to the Security guard, and then to Roy. Peace is always the Player's idea, and it is always born out of a misguided attempt at getting factions that hate each other to play nice.

"Some time later" as a panel is woefully inadequate at addressing the meat of this quest, as well! That blacked out panel includes convincing or strong-arming each member Tenpenny suggests as influential into letting Ghouls stay. Two shop-keepers straight up tell you to go to hell, and leave the tower if you win a Speech check because they can't bear to live with "zombies". The Snooty Couple leave as well. That's 4 out of the, what, maybe 7 characters you have to talk to, with Mr. and Mrs. Cheng and Dashwood being favorable to the move. It is eminently transparent that the Tenpenny residents are bigots and you are supposed to dislike them, and that Roy will kill them if they mouth off to him.

The reason Three Dog reports unfavorably on your actions if you kill the Ghouls after helping them, is because they are the Oppressed ones, and the Tenpenny residents are the Bigots. You are meant to feel bad for the Ghouls, and dislike the Tenpennies. If the Player is left frustrated by the questline, it is because their Personal Motives beyond the gameworld don't mesh with the message the game was pushing. (ETA, can't confirm because I haven't gone far enough to get the radio back up again yet on this recent game and 2008 was a long time ago)

A comic like this comes from a viewpoint that is flawed and doesn't see what the game itself is doing, and has not considered the motives of every character; or in fact completely disregards them to make an exaggerated point.

>>>Neogaf

The ghouls are bigger bigots which is why they kill them after being accepted

Kek.

Sounds like Muslims to me.

im white just pissed europe is in this situation because you shartpants bombed the middle east and trained terrorists, and then you fatfucks dare to laugh when theres a bombing here

the fuck are you even talking about, im european its not like we never conquered anyone, and spain started the inauisition right after the muslims were kicked out

>It was clearly already reinforced
Why would it be reinforced and not any of the other high-rise buildings? Its very strange. and you gotta reinforce it like hell to withstand all the damage.

> The walls around it have taken the brunt of the damage
those walls wont stop damage to the upper floors.

>back of the tower was clearly damaged as it's been covered with metal plates to reinforce it. Tenpenny mentioned moving in and maintaining the place.
Which cant be more then 60 years ago. What about the 140 or more years of neglect between the Great War and his moving in?

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Regardless of what you consider the cause, we didn't force you to take them in, Mr. """"""European"""""".

This.

People laugh at you because your response to women and children getting raped or ran over by trucks every other week is to #prayinsolidarity with the people that did this to you, even though you bend over backwards to be inclusive to them.

How long until they start using prayer mats and facing Mecca when they pray for solidarity, I wonder.