So... it's that time of the day Sup Forums. I started playing TES V: Skyrim for the first time a few weeks ago and I wanted to stall the civil war quests as much as I could, but now I see that it's just a matter of days until I have to decide wether to join the Stormcloaks or the Empire.
I wanted your opinion about it: who should I join? I'm a white, handsome Nord so I guess race doesn't have much to do in this case.
I've been inclined to join the Empire because their logic makes more sense to me, and because so far I feel Ulfric is a double standard SJW faggot, but at the same time I really fucking hate those dicksucking Thalmor shits. 2bh I really just want to Make Skyrim Great Again.
Stormcloaks if you want Skyrim to be independent and free. Empire if you want them to be ruled by people who don't even live there.
Isaiah Morris
>play femkhajiit >skooma errday >fuck over both sides of dumbass pinky war >make deals with like 9 daedra >gon die and start a daedra war over soul ownership >even in death, this one blazes it, faggot.
Joseph Brown
>don't pick a side >don't become dragonborn >install 200 mods Game becomes 100x better
James Jones
>using mods
Christopher Ortiz
Can a sexy voice truly lend you such power? To what extent?
Jose Russell
>I really fucking hate those dicksucking Thalmor shits So does the empire, but they can't do much about it while their attention is focused on the Stormcloaks.
Nicholas Long
couldnt anyway since todd redconned them into being the pussiest vaginas to ever take dick.
Leo Gomez
>ulfric sucking thalmor dick behind scenes >they just used him to at least kill the king and leave a very controlable notqueen in case ulfric loses the war doesn't matter the outcome, just with the civil war happening those pointy ears faggots win by making perfectly capale warriors that could have turned on them together kill each other the whole skyrim got jewed
Christian Hughes
Which is all ulfrics fault because he started it, by killing the high king, this might not have even happened if he just tried talking to the king.
Connor Jenkins
This. The empire capitulated when the war was still undecided. They deserve no loyalty or support.
Christopher Perry
>Not using mods
Ayden Nelson
He is an uncooperative asset, aka someone that can be used against the empire by provoking him somehow. Like say keeping him in a jail cell when his father passed away.
Or being denied a glorious death after the Battle of the Red Ring.
Luis Collins
Imperials because the Stormcloaks are d&c.
Sorry stormfags, Ulfric is confirmed to be a Thalmor false-flag.
Oliver Fisher
>2bh I really just want to Make Skyrim Great Again. Then you want Ulfric, because he's much like Trump - an arrogant, power-hungry, self-serving, moronic demagogue who was born into privilege and who will destroy the nation and perhaps the world if he's allowed to remain in power.
Henry Stewart
And who's in the pocket of a hostile foreign power.
Benjamin Taylor
Empire. Ulfric is a self-aggrandizing cunt who'll get steamrolled by the Thalmor as soon as he's finished driving the Empire out of Skyrim for them.
Joshua Martin
>I wanted to stall the civil war quests as much as I could, but now I see that it's just a matter of days until I have to decide wether to join the Stormcloaks or the Empire. Unless you're roleplaying it, that's not actually true. You can put off the civil war as long as you want. You can complete the whole main quest without fighting in the civil war and still go back to it after the main quest is over.
That said, I say go with the Empire. They hate the Thalmor as much as anyone, but they're being smart about it and waiting until the right moment instead of stirring up pointless infighting that will only make things easier for the Thalmor in the end.
Landon Stewart
Skyrim is for the Nords. Get those globalist Imperial faggots out.
Christian Powell
Ulfric is a greedy retard that is biting far more than he can chew. The game itself goes to great efforts to present the empire as the more reasonable choice after that little slip at the intro. Just look at the Jarls after every Empire/Stormcloack victory.
The only players that would think a bunch of snow niggers running around in bear hides are the best hope not only for humanity, but for all the races in Tamriel are those whose first TES game is skyrim.
Besides, the nords had an INT penalty on past games. They have retard strength, but dont know what's best for 'em
Brayden Davis
Thalmor are gearing up for WW2, the empire is the stronger and more disciplined group and the leadership sees them as a threat despite temporarily enforcing the concordat. The stormcloaks are useful idiots of the Thalmor.
Austin Jones
I'm trying to play again with a side of roleplaying. Things like living like a regular jackoff while I save money. However other than asking the innkeepers for work I can't find anything else to do for work, any mods for that?
Joshua King
>spend day and night mining >spend day and night cutting wood at the mill >get enough money to buy Honeyside and live off your crops, fish and chickens
Jaxson Scott
>Thalmor are gearing up for WW2, the empire is the stronger and more disciplined group and the leadership sees them as a threat despite temporarily enforcing the concordat. And the Empire was never really enforcing the Concordat anyway until UIfric forced the matter by being an idiot.
I'm certain that there are also mods for more stuff like that, but I haven't looked into it.
Elijah Hernandez
>snow niggers Fucking kek
Hunter Reyes
I wonder if the Empire was actually waiting to wipe out the Stormcloaks to begin attack on the Aldmeri Dominion. If this is the case, would their plan go to shit after the Dragonborn assassinates the Emperor for the Dark Brotherhood?
Hudson Jenkins
Doesn't matter. You're a Dragonborn, cannonically one of the toughest fuckers on the continent, and there's a shitload of tough fuckers lurking around. One Dragonborn and a guy who just had the voice, like Ulfric, were only stopped by the combined armies of the Chimer and Dwemer, who were led by Nerevar and his posse. Whoever you side with is going to win, unless the Nerevarine crawls out of an Oblivion portal and decides to go against the Dragonborn.
Robert Torres
Cheers, I suppose I'll try incorporate them all in. chop wood one day, slay a bandit leader another day
If you want to get really into the roleplaying, you might also want the iNeed mod so you actually have to eat and sleep.
Dylan Young
>can start directly as a stormcloak or imperial not him but I should really get to mod this game of things like this exist, and let me guess, there is a nsfw version of that one where you start as a slave, right?
Easton Reyes
Have them both thank you very much! I've got Realistic needs and diseases, I'll look into the sleep one but I usually keep a decent sleep pattern.
Aiden Turner
>tfw I actually did that >traveled by foot to Markarth because you can chop wood and mine there >spend entire days doing that >gather some money to buy house in Riften >also have a few jewels and shit I've found or mined >travel by foot to the other side of Skyrim with a shitty iron dagger just to defend against wolves >won't buy expensive weapons or armor because I'm a cheap bastard >run everytime I encounter a troll or a sabre cat on the way >thief on the way >takes my jewelry because I know I wouldn't be able to kill him >finally arrive in Riften >fucking guard wants me to pay an entrance toll >can't intimidate him or persuade him because my skills are shit >takes more of my hard earned money >he lets me in >talk with the Jarl and manage to do what she asks me to do >still not enough money to buy house >back to the fucking mills >spend an eternity chopping wood >going back to the Jarl to finally buy house >fucking thief trying to rob in broad daylight in the middle of the market >mychance.jpg >try to stab the motherfucker with my shitty dagger >stab a Riften Guard by mistake >go to jail and lose money again >everybody hates me anyway because I'm a fucking Khajiit >currently considering committing sudoku life in skyrim sure is though man
Brody Campbell
Probably, but you'll have to go to LoversLab for it, since they don't really allow mods like that on the Nexus.
Carson Clark
>2011 me >IMPERIALS STORMS FUCKS >2017 me >SKYRIM IS FOR THE NORDS BUILD THE WALL
Dylan Morris
Ulfric is fucker who wouldn't give two fucks about you if you weren't dragonborn, specially if you aren't nord. Also it is heavily implied that the empire is coming up with a way to deal with the Talmor so breaking it up will only make both the empire and "Free" Skyrim even more vulnerable to the elves. How long do the stormcloaks think they'll be able to maintain their "free" land before the talmor come knocking on their door. Ulfric is probably a talmor agent for helping destabilize the empire even more.
Carter Sanchez
Didn't know people actually did that wood chopping shit. The key to big money in this game is enchanting iron daggers with petty and lesser soul gems. You make thousands of gold easily.
Samuel Perez
>only 23 posters out of 38 posts There is one seriously assmad imperialfag samefagging this thread.
Andrew Miller
Stormcloaks if you want the humans to balkanize so that they can be genocided by the Thalmor one by one in a couple decades. Empire if you want the realms of men to stay united and recover their strength so that when the Altmer fucking shits return, they'll each get a Tamriel-sized greatsword up their asses.
Luis Peterson
>can't intimidate him or persuade him because my skills are shit How the fuck? I can persuade him at level 1
Jaxson Anderson
>Ulfric is probably a talmor agent for helping destabilize the empire even more.
Technically yes. In that document in the thalmar embassy they state they caught him once already but let him go because they knew he was going to destabilize the region making it ripe for the plunder. He was thier bottom bitch the entire time.
Samuel Baker
No way the Thalmor could stand up to the Skyrim army with the Dragonborn at its head. The Thalmor couldnt even stand against the Redguards. Got their asses kicked by CURVED COCKS.
Carson Taylor
This desu
Anthony Smith
>Stormcucks
Literally falling into the knife ears' hands
Joseph Jackson
Ulfric wouldn't shut the fuck up everytime I entered the castle so imperials.
I literally disabled him on another playthrough.
Eli Edwards
That's assuming the Dragonborn doesn't just vanish after the events of Skyrim, which is a pretty big assumption considering that that's what all the other TES protagonists canonically did.
Thomas James
>Empire if you want the realms of men to stay united >loses the argonians, khajit, high, dark, and wood elves >throws redcloaks under the bus >pulls defeat from the jaws of victory by fucking surrendering to the elves that literally want to destroy the world
The empire needs the nords. The nords do not need the empire.
Jack Phillips
Aren't you democrats supposed to love commies though? Why the Russian hate? Just because it's not Hillary in the pocket?
Kevin Young
Im thinking theyll keep him around this time and have him take a cannon side. I cant remember there being any huge decisions in the other games that would have a lasting effect on the whole continent. Either have him crush Ulfric so the next game can ignore Skyrim, or have him destroy the Thalmor when Bethesda realizes that they took a neat idea and made it into a 2D villain.
Easton Nguyen
What about the Dragonborn DLC? You have to be recognized as Dragonborn in order to play it, or am I wrong? Are there any mods that remove this condition?
Henry Martinez
The first time I played I sided with the Empire, but I regretted it. The only reason I chose the Empire was because as the last Dragonborn, I am the rightful Emperor. Why would I split up my own Empire? With a descendant of Akatosh back on the throne, the Empire would rise to its former glory and kick Thalmor ass. But that never happened. The Empire were still slaves and Thalmor were again free to murder nords with impunity. At least give us DLC with the Dragonborn becoming the King of Skyrim.
Chase Lee
Correction: Sotmrcloaks if you want Skyrim to be independent and free until the far superior forces of the Thalmor turns Skyrim into giant open grave because they have far superior power, number and resources and the only thing between them and Skyrim was the Empire. Large parts of Skyrim literally depend on the Empire for food, protection and resources, since it is a world of harsh environments and horrible monsters.
Brody Russell
Only normalfags chose Stormcloaks because "wow the first Imperial I met was mean, that means the entire Empire is wrong politically"
Nathaniel Phillips
Yeah, cause the Redguards, Imperials and Bretons would really allow that. Regardless of the choice for Imperial or Nord, Man will have to stick together, with or without the Empire.
Liam Green
Imperials to fight elves, otherwise I wouldn't care.
Benjamin Nelson
Hamerfell seceded. Yeah they starved for a bit, but the Thalmor couldn't conquer them.
Ryan Brown
You only have to be recognized as dragonborn if you want to do the main plot of the DLC. You can travel there and finish 95% of the content without triggering the DLC's main plot. I go there before i start the horn of windcaller quest from the greybeards so i can harvest most of the dragon souls without that fag Miraak stealing them.
Carter Edwards
Because the war was being fought on Empire lands, not Thalmor. Even if they won the war, the damage to their people and resources would be devastated, while the Thalmor would still have their territories free of damage, and when the rest of the Thalmor forces arrived, they would be fucked. A drawn out battle was not in the Empire's favor. Especially one that razed their land.
Chase Hill
Imperials is the better choice because it fucks the elves over more. Stormcloaks keeps mankind weak and divided.
Anthony Young
>Sotmrcloaks if you want Skyrim to be independent and free until the far superior forces of the Thalmor turns Skyrim into giant open grave because they have far superior power, number and resources And mages.
Ethan Barnes
>the Thalmor couldn't conquer them In large part because they had tons of Legion soldiers there to help them unofficially.
Easton Young
>And the Empire was never really enforcing the Concordat anyway until UIfric forced the matter by being an idiot.
This. The Thalmor told the Empire to ban Talos, but they never pursued it. They still let people keep their little shrines to Talos or secret meeting spots. It was one of those laws that is only there on paper and everyone pretends to follow. But then there comes Ulfric kicking up a shitstorm, which made the Thalmor decide to send in agents to enforce the law violently.
Carter Jones
Literally WE WUZ DEFENDERZ N SHIIIEEET for taking credit for the Imperial Legion's victory
Ian Wright
Guess what? You're a susceptible meme loving fuck.
Jacob Watson
Stormcloaks are literally the only choice
Only lefty scum choose Imperials and sell out their race and homeland
Juan Foster
Except that the Protagonist in every elder scrolls game always disappears at the end. I am hoping this is some big conspiracy and those "legendary heroes" are being snuffed out, kidnapped or are teamming up somewhere to fight some big bad in a later TES game. A whole secret war going on in the post-game.
Eli Baker
It's funny because Trump is pretty much a good goy for furthering Wahhabi/Saudi agendas in Syria. Gotta bomb the people fighting the Wahhabis so that the whole place could become a nice Saudi style shithole.
Colton Stewart
Delaying the main quest and the greybeards seems like a dumb move, the dragons never trigger until you do the first quest and you won't get many souls.
Brody Mitchell
>I am hoping this is some big conspiracy and those "legendary heroes" are being snuffed out, kidnapped or are teamming up somewhere to fight some big bad in a later TES game. Or they're all actually the same being, reincarnating when they're needed to save the world and then leaving the people to rule themselves when they're not needed anymore. A guardian angel of sorts. I have a similar headcanon about the Ace Combat protagonists.
Dylan Evans
Elves recover population far slower than men, and regardless of how bad cyrodil was getting fucked, once the aldmeri armies were broken there wouldn't have been anyone left to stop the empire from reclaiming everything and pushing into the isles.
That's ignoring the fact that the empire didn't sign a peace treaty as if they still were in the fight. They flat surrendered, rendering the sacrifice of all the people defending it worthless. The emperor betrayed his people because he was a coward and a weakling, and propping up the rotting corpse left after the war is a waste of treasure and manpower.
Isaac Bailey
Both
Adrian Baker
Where is that stated?
John Barnes
>The nords do not need the empire Except for all the food, resources and protection that a large part of skyrim receives, right? Because their land is largelly a frozen piece of shit where a shit ton of monsters and undead live. The Empire always took care of Skyrim. It is like when parents raise and support their neet neckbeard son while he is 30 years old and screams about how he is gonna move out or is independent.
Parker Green
How do I be the master sneaky thief/evil rogue?
Limited Elder Scrolls experience here, I just want to run around and cut throats and steal stuff. Advice appreciated.
Matthew Fisher
why wouldn't righty just cut out the middleman and go with lefty from the beginning?
Jose Stewart
Left and Right were made for each other.
Liam Miller
crouch and use a bow
Ryder Davis
Because yuri is a shit fetish
Kayden Robinson
>loses the argonians, khajit, high, dark, and wood elves Yeah, almost all of those happened either during that whole hell-is-literally-invading-our-whole-planet crisis, or the almost 30 year period afterward when Cyrodiil was tearing itself apart over the lack of an emperor caused by the aforementioned crisis (aside from the Dunmer, who basically had an apocalypse happen during that crisis and cracked into a bunch of bickering houses. It's hard to keep your provinces together when you're in a multi-decade civil war. >pulls defeat from the jaws of victory by fucking surrendering to the elves that literally want to destroy the world It wasn't a surrender, it was a very one-sided peace treaty which did suck. However, if you look at it from a perspective other than from Skyrim, the safest and most untouched province of the war aside from maybe High Rock, the reasoning for not pushing the advantage after the retaking of imperial city makes more sense. Cyrodiil as a province got assraped during the war thanks to the Thalmor blitzkrieg. People were dying left and right, the vast majority was still under Thalmor control, and manpower pools were running low. Mede's highest priority was getting the thalmor out of his homeland and ending the war as soon as the Thalmor lost their biggest bargaining chip i. e. the capital. The recapture of the city was the whole reason they were able to negotiate in the first place. The empire needs everybody, and if you think the nords can take the thalmor on by themselves, you're sorely mistaken.
>In Hammerfell, General Decianus was preparing to drive the Aldmeri back from Skaven when he was ordered to march for Cyrodiil. Unwilling to abandon Hammerfell completely, he allowed a great number of "invalids" to be discharged from the Legions before they marched east. These veterans formed the core of the army that eventually drove Lady Arannelya's forces back across the Alik'r late in 174, taking heavy losses on their retreat from harassing attacks by the Alik'r warriors.
Christopher Lee
This really activates my patriotism chip.
Eli Murphy
>the protagonists canonically vanish into thin air as soon as you're done playing
...woah
Cameron Hall
But if all girls start loving each other Then all boys would have to start loving each other
Bentley Rogers
>Entire conflict is engineered and pointless and is basically just the Aldmeri playing both factions against each other to keep inflicting casualties on the Empire and Skyrim without technically being at war and taking none themselves. >Even the people playing divide themselves down the line of Empire vs Stormcloaks and debate which is right instead of looking at the bigger picture and realizing that the whole thing is basically just two sides taking out their frustration at the Dominion on each other and destroying their ability to rally against the Dominion in the process. Face it, we deserve to be enslaved by the Elves for being this fucking stupid.
Thomas Johnson
It is literally the reason why hammerfell was so mad. Because the Empire pulled out their legion when the Thalmor started hitting them, so they needed their legion back to protect themselves. >"How dare you take back MY armies that you were lending to me so you can protect yourself" - redguard
Adam Gutierrez
If you break into the thalmor embassy up in the mountain and knock out their coastal outposts, you can find documents in every government establishment saying they're using the nords as agents of their agenda to weaken the Empire.
Nords are literally pawns and only one trying to help them is the Empire.
Civilization comes at a cost and with elves out there trying to put their foot on throats of men, even an imperfect weapon is better than none.
Sebastian White
When did Ulfric ever torture and murder innocent people?
Asher Allen
I trigger the first part of the main quest on Skyrim proper so the dragons show up. The delay going to the greybeards until after i got to solstheim and finish most of the content there including harvesting as many dragon souls as possible. You don't recover the ones Miraak steals so it's best to get them before you meet him the first time
Dylan Sanchez
>loses the argonians, khajit, high, dark, and wood elves Yeah, because the racist as fuck nords would surely gain their support. The stormcloaks under Ulfric literally brutalize and abuse the other races on their own "HQ".
Easton Anderson
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Jackson Lopez
There's nothing saying that won't happen canonically once bethesda makes the next game and actually clarifies the fucking story.
I also support the dragonborn becoming emperor. If you do all the dark brotherhood quests, the seat is vacant for a convenient heir to take.
Alexander Cook
>Taking advantage of right girl's kindness That's wrong. I'd be happy just living with the right girl. Left girl seems like a bitch.
>Every official who worked for the Forsworn was put to the sword, even after they had surrendered. Native women were tortured to give up the names of Forsworn fighters who had fled the city or were in the hills of the Reach. Anyone who lived in the city, Forsworn and Nord alike, were executed if they had not fought with Ulfric and his men when they breached the gates. "You are with us, or you are against Skyrim" was the message on Ulfric's lips as he ordered the deaths of shopkeepers, farmers, the elderly, and any child old enough to lift a sword that had failed in the call to fight with him
Gavin Fisher
It's actually pretty easy to do that in Skyrim. There's a reason that the stealth archery meme exists.
Liam Ramirez
>Get shittiest bow and arrows you can (iron) >Goto dungeon >Climb on top of rubble in dark corner and stay still >Stay still and snipe enemies >You sneak and archery will level quickly.
Nathaniel Johnson
Fake news, Ulfric is a good man who loves children and puppies, he would never harm anyone other than an elf or an imperial.
Brayden Turner
Reminder that the forswarn are literally cannibals that ritually murder people and rip out their hearts.
