Why can't Sup Forumsirgins accept this?

Why can't Sup Forumsirgins accept this?

sharktale is a national treasure

I hate wacky arms man, he's a cunt.

Bring up ghibli or pixar movies as your favourites and no one will bat an eye, don't be ridiculous. Even capeshit's acceptable.

This just tells me there's more to video games than is present in movie or books.

Not really, user.

The first Ice Age was a fuckin' masterpiece whoever made this shit should kill themselves.

Compared to an adult film like Old Boy? Neck YOURself.

Catcher in the Rye was shit though.

Well, okay then.

>M-muh mature edgy adult films that I pretend are better because I'm insecure!!!!1!
Flog yourself to death with barbed wire retard.

As influencial as 1984 was it's not really that good.

But it really is.

>anything that has depth and violence is just "edgy"
>I just need my safe fluffy marios and kirby, for mature adults like myself

>cherrypick
>cherrypick
>cherrypick
I am silly mspaint comic, shit thread

>Oops, someone hit the nail on the head on how I try to call anything that doesn't have blood in it 'for babies' because I want to be cool like the rest of the grown-ups - I better totally misconstrue their arguments so I don't have to admit I'm wrong!

Mein Kampf is the best book.
Triumph of the Will is the best movie.
DOOM is the best game.

OP is clearly low-effort posting so don't expend too much energy attempting to argue for nothing.

I have gotten to a point in my life where I can't even be bothered to argue with people on Sup Forums

This thread is fucking retarded for many reasons but mainly the fact that it's assumption comes from cold logic.

And I'm not sure if it's just bait or not or if I'm wasting my time. Have I grown out of it?

All your criticism was is an autismal reaction to violence and adult themes. I made fun of you for it. I did not imply that violence is inherent in an adult film, although it is common because of two reasons 1. Violence is common in life and a visceral thing for humans. 2. Kids movies can't show violence. Shark tale couldn't show a fish being viciously ripped to bloody pieces even though that's exactly what happens in the ocean. Thus, all violence must be in an adult targeted movie.

Bait aside I actually got into a discussion with a friend about this the other day and I'm still thinking about it. I had mentioned that I finally went back and beat Kirby's Epic Yarn, my least favorite game in one of my favorite series and found some love for it. Eventually we started debating not only whether Kirby is a "kids game" but what that actually means in terms of video games.

It's a super weird topic and I don't think it should matter. I don't think it's fair to label something as "for kids" just on the notion that it can be enjoyed by all ages. Epic Yarn was definitely made with younger audiences in mind but still I'm uncomfortable really putting any game into such a rigid category. I don't think it's helpful for any sort of discussion aside from accessibility. I would much rather use a casual to hardcore scale.

You couldn't even cherry pick right because most of the "casual" movies and books are legitimately bad while those game examples have great consistent scores, aside from maybe that Japanese Tingle game. Seriously why is that there and not something like Call of Duty?

>blah blah blah I'm retarded and I have no idea how to argue except by misinterpreting everyone
What the fuck are you even trying to say

>implying SOTC fans aren't grouped in the same group as the right
All you had to do to make good bait was make the left Fallout 2, Planescape, and some other western RPG and you would've been set

2/10 bait

>violence = blood and gore

If he had put The Last of Us and Bioshock he would have got me

An actual valid argument made from a rational human being on Sup Forums

You sound like a fairly reasonable person with a very consistent frame of logic.

I usually meme about nintenchildren all the time. A lot of things can be made accessible to younger audiences that can be enjoyed by older people. Like Disney movies and Sponge Bob they throw in a bit of humor that will go over the head of any child but it would be something an adult would get.

But if you are some type of 'gamer' that only plays nintendo games and you're like 30 you have complete shit taste and probably should kill yourself for not trying out anything else.

Look back the original posts, some manchild was overhyping a childs movie, ice age. I contested that Old Boy is a far superior movie, I would say it's writing, cinematography and themes are much better done.

Explain your argument or end your life.


Blood and gore can be important for impactful violence. See: The in-combat leg surgery scene in Black Hawk Down, Vin Diesel getting sniped and trying to pass a note to his family to his squadmate while dying, bleeding all over the note so badly tom hanks has to rewrite the note to new, unbloodied parchment.

Most "mature" video games, like cartoons, rely heavily on violence, sex, war, and edgy themes. There are some exceptions, but I find most mature games I play to be ironically incredibly immature.

It's all about GAMEPLAY you nigger. If those games have better GAMEPLAY than that's all that's important

Your 3 favourite books are the average freshman in highschools assigned reading homework?

I can tell you dug deep into literature and explored lots of options there.

I can think of a lot of games that have a child like accessibility in terms of art style but really have a lot of mature themes that a child wouldn't be able to grasp.

A lot of 'mature' games are mature because some dev went "yeah just make this entire floor level out of dead human bodies" or some dumb shit like that.

There should be a distinction between mature storytelling and mature visuals

Yes, but bros, think about a guy who's favorite show is spongebob and he's 35. There is no way that guy isn't mentally ill.

zing

Get out.

>Catcher in the rye

Lol OP is such a fucking phony

Quite moving the goal posts. Violence can definitely be impactful without blood and gore.
And once again, not only to movies targeted towards children have plenty of violence, blood and gore are not mutually exclusive to violence.

There are plenty of games targeted towards children that have mature themes. Kirby Planet Robobot had the main villain going mad after losing his supposed dead daughter and after using a machine that could bring her back for so long, his memories of her were almost completely erased.

Not everyone likes things for the same specific reasons. I like movies that have original scores that blend in with the story. Where the score is part of the storytelling. Where the dialogue stops and the score continues to tell a story. I can go on and on about how bland all of the superhero movies that are popular today are in terms of soundtracks because it doesn't add anything to the story.

Basically my point is the guy that thinks Sponge Bob is the greatest TV can possibly have one of these reasons, maybe he gets certain references or finds comedic value in things that other people don't.

Odds are they're a fucking manchild that should be castrated but you don't send someone on death row because their fingerprints matched 75%

You didn't ssay Old Boy was better, you said it was better BECAUSE it was an ***ADULT FILM***.

Which obviously, makes you retarded. QED

Shark Tales, Ice Age and He Man are bad. Naruto, Harry Potter, and twilight are bad. Nintendo games are good.

It is strange to lump all of Nintendo under this ideology. I think there are some relatively mature IPs that they have, like maybe Metroid, F-Zero, and Fire Emblem. Obviously these franchises are no more mature than shonen tier stuff, but this is kind of what I'm saying, this stuff is all super relative. Is it even helpful to put games into buckets like that? The ESRB would be an example that it is helpful, but I would question how related that example is with this topic. That is also a pretty strange scale of actual maturity and is obviously unrelated to the quality of games.

I will say that everyone should always be trying to broaden their horizons and try new games/genres. If you only play Nintendo games you're robbing yourself of a lot of great stuff, and the same goes the reverse. Ironically I think this relates to my point that it shouldn't matter because there can be clear value in something despite "maturity", and maybe even despite an intended audience

I think this is thought provoking and I would question it. Is it okay if it's from nostalgia? Or is it actually an embarrassing thing if he appreciates the style/animation/jokes? Spongebob is honestly was a really good kids show, and I bet if someone said it was still their favorite they could give you a genuine response from the heart. I don't feel comfortable ridiculing that either, even if it might be something worth scoffing at in the face of modern trends like Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, etc

>Quite moving the goal posts.
Kek. So your only argument is that children's movies can show greater than 0 amounts of "violence"?

>Violence can definitely be impactful without blood and gore

Lol, I said that. Try wiping your tears before reading my posts.

>not only to movies targeted towards children have plenty of violence, blood and gore are not mutually exclusive to violence.

Ah yes, but it's all fluff "violence", no blood, no violent horrible deaths like people being realistically blown into bloody chunks on the beaches on Normandy. That's what happens in real life violence, blood and gore.

I don't think we should gas all the nintendo toddlers, but rather as the OP says, I want Sup Forums to accept if their favorite show is spongebob or their favorite game series is mario, they are mentally ill.

There is nothing wrong with having SM64 as a favorite game because of its gameplay mechanics. Since it's a game and not a passive form of media.

> you said it was better BECAUSE it was an ***ADULT FILM***

No, I didn't. Frankly, I didn't really give a reason at that time why it was better, regardless, I have since then provided reasons. Argue the merits of the child's movie, ice age, or end your life.

Hey I'm the first guy you responded to.
I added something here about the distinction of mature games to make my point a bit clearer. also
>walking dead as an example of modern trends
lowest common denominator trash


I mean if your favorite game is Mario you have shit fucking taste and you should be shunned. Odds are they're fucking terrible at judging games or they're looking in on the past with rose tinted glasses.

Theres nothing wrong with holding that opinion but the idea of a person saying Spongebob Squarepants is better than say the Simpsons is retarded as fuck

By favorite, I mean that's the main show/game they play.

Oh boy if we get into SM64 we're gonna talk about autism and speedrunning

Do we wanna get into this lads?

Because games are fundamentally toys. Myamoto studied industrial design. After consoles are dead filthy casuals and filthty 3DPiggus will still turn their heads at Mario passing by on a window or game demo and wont give less of a shit at whatever shit ea or ubisoft are shoveling out this quarter.

The concept of what's "good" in literature is determined by rich old white guys in universities. I've read a lot of the so called "western canon" for school, and they were all shit. Give me some good pulp romance novel instead any day.

>shit that never happened

This whole fucking thread

Human psychology plays a huge role in that and as to why those were considered 'good'

But in this industry the 'good' is decided by sales just like any other entertainment medium.

Citizen Kane,crimen and punishment,silent hill 2 only adult things,other thing edgy teen.

There are plenty of cartoons better than The Simpsons.

>Kek. So your only argument is that children's movies can show greater than 0 amounts of "violence"?
Yes, because you said here
That children's movies can't show violence, which they clearly can.
>Lol, I said that. Try wiping your tears before reading my posts.
You said the exact opposite, really.
>Ah yes, but it's all fluff "violence", no blood, no violent horrible deaths like people being realistically blown into bloody chunks on the beaches on Normandy. That's what happens in real life violence, blood and gore.
So I can punch you in the face, kick you in the balls, and toss you over a molten lava pit, and that would be be seen as truly violent?
That's fucking retarded. Violence and blood are not mutually exclusive. There are plenty of violent things you can do to a person without shooting them or cutting them in half.

Im mostly on the left side with a little bit of right

For all other mediums, the greatest works are the most challenging and complex.

Literature: Ulysses

Film: Intolerance

Theater: Oscar Wilde

Video games: Bing-bing wahoo!

Why?

>Compared to an adult film like Old Boy? Neck YOURself
If you didn't think it was automatically better because it was and adult film then why'd you even mention it was an ADULT FILM?
>Argue the merits of the child's movie, ice age, or end your life.
It's writing, cinematography and themes are better. :^)
Oh wait, that doesn't matter, because it's a child's film for big dumb babies and you only watch big grown-up stuff like a big boy.

Your argument falls apart as some of those titles are darker and for teens like harry potter and Twilight.

Again, games are not a passive form of media so it's okay to have a game with good gameplay mechanics (e.g. SM64) as a favorite despite the lack of adult themes. And I hope you're not implying that people with favorite books/movies tend to read/watch the same ones repeatedly for most of their free time like you'd normally see people with favorite games do.

>literally mature things are better because they're mature, not because the quality behind them

Every time

I was simply listing examples of how the modern tv landscape is, not trying to prop up any of those series. The fact the TWD is lowest common denominator stuff is my exact point.

I think the heart of this is
1) What defines something as mature
2) Does it matter, and if so, why?

I think that someone who says a Mario game is their favorite is totally understandable, especially as another user said with mechanics adding another layer to this medium that books and movies don't have. I think in general if a game (or anything) does SOMETHING really well, it's enough to be warranted as someones favorite or simply worth appreciating. Some really high quality animation can be seen in children's movies, and I think that's value. In that sense, if someone values animation, what's wrong with praising and enjoying it? Then apply that to anything from gameplay to story to graphics. That's kind of where my head is at right now

Super Mario 64 isn't more challenging to beat than Dwarf Fortress or Grim Fandango

New ghibli and pixar in general are highly overrated

All of these are pleb tier trash...is that the joke?

>That children's movies can't show violence
You're correct, user, children's movies can show greater than 0 amounts of violence.

>You said the exact opposite, really.
Incorrect, review my post you were teary-eyed during.

>So I can punch you in the face, kick you in the balls, and toss you over a molten lava pit, and that would be be seen as truly violent?

No, that's not super violent. If you don't understand why violence like in avatar the cartoon is not even remotely on the same level as soldiers being realistically blown to pieces then you're just a delusional autist.

Not that he's right but you sound fucking retard too and can't make a decent counter argument kys.

That doesn't change the argument. Good gameplay leads to a game becoming a favorite, which ignores the presence or absence of adult themes.

Violence isn't what makes something good. Neither are themes. Complexity, challenge, and originality is

>2) Does it matter, and if so, why?

It does because of the incredibly high correlation between mental illness and highly favoring childrens things, like my little pony, mario or spongebob.

Difficulty doesn't equal gameplay mechanic quality and also Mario 64 is more challeging than Grim Fandango, I love Grim Fandango but adventure games like that aren't challenging at all.

Samefag

>Complexity, challenge, and originality is

And coincidentally products for children will always lack one or more of the above by design. Because you need to make things more accessible to children, as well as not confuse or frighten them.

I agree. And that's why Command and Conquer, Civilization, Dwarf Fortress, Habitat, and Grim Fandango will always be superior to bing bing wahooshit

>Violence isn't what makes something good. Neither are themes.
Agree.
>Complexity, challenge, and originality is
Strongly dissagree.

because if a game has good enough gameplay it doesn't matter who it was marketed towards, you can't do this with books and films because who they are marketed to is completely ingrained in plot and not graphics

Bing Bing Wahoo is better than grim fandango

I can't disagree with you. Your logic is very consistent and it's very rational. This conversation is very entertaining to me. Is it because it's a mature topic? pic related

Now as for the questions.
>1) What defines something as mature
I think we should break this apart into 2 categories. Adult and Mature.
Adult being something that's unsuitable for children
and Mature being something that's hard for a child to understand.

With that distinction I think it's a lot easier to differentiate between games. Like say Spec Ops: The Line is a mature game while GTA 5 is an Adult game.

>2) Does it matter, and if so, why?
I guess it's good if you want to understand how someone thinks and what they like so you can judge them. If someone says GTA 5 is their favorite game of all time they probably have terrible fucking taste and you shouldn't associate with them. But really not associating with someone because you disagree with their opinions about games is pretty autistic.

>Catcher and 1984
Lel

>Incorrect, review my post you were teary-eyed during.
>Blood and gore can be important for impactful violence. See: The in-combat leg surgery scene in Black Hawk Down, Vin Diesel getting sniped and trying to pass a note to his family to his squadmate while dying, bleeding all over the note so badly tom hanks has to rewrite the note to new, unbloodied parchment.
Wow good job explaining that violence doesn't need to be bloody to be impactful!
>No, that's not super violent. If you don't understand why violence like in avatar the cartoon is not even remotely on the same level as soldiers being realistically blown to pieces then you're just a delusional autist.
Tossing someone over a pit of lava is incredibly violent.
Again, violence and blood are not mutually exclusive, and until you provide actual evidence otherwise you're just arguing semantics.

Because you say so?

You don't understand. I was agreeing with you. Nintendoshit is for babies.

>mechanics
Then simulators are far superior to Nintendoshit

Games aren't art, there is zero difference between the games on both sides of OP's image

I AM SILLY

Games are a waste of time. Whether they are good or not doesn't matter, because in the end you are wasting your time. I wish more people realized this, instead of bullying people for their opinions.

>Super Mario 64 isn't more challenging to beat than Dwarf Fortress or Grim Fandango
I would say, different type of games, means different challenges

Because gameplay is far more important than story in video games. Nintendo games always have the best gameplay of any console games. Always.

PC is still better, though

>Reading for fun
We're not in the 19th century anymore.
You probably think math is "fun" too.

>bing bing wahooshit
Try again with a little more persuasiveness in it, because you're not convincing anyone with that bullshit.

Even if this comparison wasn't shit it's still retarded because
>vidya
>not automatically for manchilds

>The catcher in the Rye

Is that you, quentin?

>Then simulators are far superior to Nintendoshit
Why would they? what makes their mechanich inherently better than any Nintendo game?

>that entire picture
Holy shit, this is bait right?

>Strongly dissagree.
You only disagree because you have shit taste

Factually wrong, babby

Anything I say is truth.

Golden age Spongebob > golden age Simpsons.

However, Spongebob petered out far faster. Simpsons had consistently good quality for 7 seasons in a row. Spongebob only managed 4 seasons.

that picture is fucking gold.

>Anything I say is truth.
Thanks now I know I can just ignore everything you post.

and we're back to low-effort posting
oh well