Is it okay for devs to ask how to make games?

Is it okay for devs to ask how to make games?

yes you retard

They aren't asking how to make games though because the devs are putting all that stuff in the game. The survey is just to see what fans want to see first, so they're just using it to gauge priority to do the thing fans want the most first.

This game is such a mess.

Game took about a decade to make and its not even finished

I ask my white overlords to nuke us again since it seemed we learned nothing

Yes, devs should be taking into account what fans want, otherwise what's the point?

Yes it is completely ok for devs to listen to their fans. That's how you get good games.

>sidestory content and additional playable characters
The game already has a start middle and end with the main story told and resolved, all this stuff is is side stuff or additional info.

No it isn't.

Absolutely.

The fans are the ones who helped the company more than others. They're the ones who helped make their games successful in the first place.

And if the company shows how much they care for their fans, the number will keep rising. So the sales will rise even higher.

Win-win for both in the long run.

>That's how you get good games.

Then how did we get XV?

Yes and no

No, the company should completely ignore and insult their fans. They should never, and mean NEVER, bother making games FOR the customers.

What could possibly go wrong?

The buyers don't matter at all, duh!

/s

Yes, and I'd love too see all of that so I'm glad they're listening.

Hello nippon-kun ^^

Then how did we get such amazing updates and DLCs, with even better ones that will follow in the future?

>such amazing updates
Like shitty limited time hunts?
I'm not pleased until it's all complete and I can assess it, I'm not sucking dick until I see if they're compotent with the new changes.

It's not.

>get such amazing updates and DLCs

It's all fluff, and Gladio's 45 minute DLC was shit.

Because the devs listened and we got a great game.

This is basically them admitting that they didn't have time to get this stuff in the game but it was originally planned to be.

Anyway, I voted Noctis' dissapearance because I want to see the bros life in the ten year time gap. Ifrit Betrayal and Ardyn's past are good picks too, and world of ruin.

They could add everything on this list and it still would not be enough. These are additions to something rotten to the core.

>Gameplay needs revamping hardcore from someone competent enough to design action combat and Tabata should get no say on how it works with his awful philosophy on combat. And I mean from ground up, new animations that actually are flashy as it should be for someone who can conjure up swords from thin air, more variations and combos per weapons, more weapons slots to switch between, an aerial launch for enemies, way more warping options, the whole fucking lot.
>Need more emphasis on Aerial combat and warping around big monsters without it being a cake walk with meh animations covered up by pretty particle effects.
>Movement needs to feel more fluid.
>More weapons with unique traits, Royal Arms should flat out have way more unique assets considering how special they are supposed to be.
>Areas need more thematic diversity instead of just A desert, a forest a swamp in the corner and some planar, linear cut off sections.
>Need way more mobs to fight out in the open world.
>World needs to be smaller with more linear areas that serve as levels which are actually well constructed.
>Tenebrae should NOT be a glorified balcony and be an actual levels
>EVERY SINGLE BOSS FIGHT needs a revamp to be far more interesting, they were all pretty shit. Only cool one was maybe Ifrit for those moments you could fight him and warp battle him in the air.


Dev time was actual two the three years, everything before that was literally just a concept.

>we got a great game

Try mediocre.

Because the devs cared we got one of the best FFs, one that they continue to support putting things in that fans want.

>I'm not pleased
Does anything ever please you?

Hey XV-kun

Yeah there is some nice updates coming up like the offroad driving everyone has been requesting for months, new story scenes and general qol improvements. It's good to see devs that care as much about their game as these devs do. I mean they have no reason to even do any of these updates because the game is already out and broke even, plus making profit. So anything they are doing now is purely for the fans so it's great to see devs who actually still listen to their fans, especially for a AAA studio like on FF games.

>ignoring all the other stuff they did

Gladio DLC was great, what does being 45 minutes have to do with anything? That's like average dungeon length and for the price it was it was more than worth it just for the boss fights against Gilgamesh and Cor alone.

>It's good to see devs that care as much about their game as these devs do

Yes it's great to see how all this wasn't in the initial release, and we paid for an incomplete game.

DOOM wasn't as bad as it seems. Wolfenstein was alright.
A Way out looks alright despite being EA shit.
OST from XV was pretty good.
So, yes.

>metacritic somehow matters
Still trying to desperately shitpost huh

>inb4 you pretend everyone cares about metacritic because you bring up some month old thread where a handful of people discuss it

>he already here

christ

>metacritic somehow matters

It mattered when you kept spamming threads when it initially had 86.

Glad it was a success, my goty of 2016 personally.

>people actually defending XV

christ video games really are dad

>it's a lets pretend metacritic matters episode

What does not being in the initial release have to do with anything? These things are improvements to the base game.

>literally crying because devs are improving the game

Again it mattered when there were constant Sup Forums BTFO threads circulating before it plummeted to 81.

But I never did that, but hey keep doing exactly what I just said you would do.

>this one fag who keeps going on about "b-but you cared when it was 86"
Are you going to post the screencaps to the two threads from months ago about that that you could find on the archive, and still accuse it of being me?

Why are you shilling metacritic?

>What does not being in the initial release have to do with anything?
>it's okay for video games to be released half baked

what a time to be alive

After his fiasco this morning I wouldn't be surprised if it's XV-kun resetting his IP every few minutes.

He's ascended.

>fuck up the base game so bad that you need to spend some years having to fix it
>base release and first impressions
Just like XIV but least the upside is that it will be a better game at least.
You're not a hard person to find dude.

I thought I was gonna rant because of how entitled many users are around here, but you're a good lad.

By the way, Doom was a really good game. Multiplayer could have been better, but other than that it's great.

This. We already got a strong base game so I'm excited for the new stuff. PC version can't come soon enough.

Yeah, it's not like FFXV is an unfinished mess and they know they fucked it up so hard they have to complete it post-release.

Wow maybe because people like XV or something, shocking I know.

>Is it okay for devs to ask how to make games?
yes, it is very bad, however do not confuse it with feedback

>entitled many users are around here
I sure hope we aren't going to go into an arguement about consumers and shit but whatever.
That's the thing DOOM had poor first impressions due to multiplayer focus but it turned out to be quite decent with the main focus of single player, I like that.

>He's ascended

>Two people made threads months ago mentioning metacritic for XV that means metacritic matters
Holy shit you're so desperate

Good thing it wasn't.

But the base game was well done and everything else is improvements, the majority already loved XV so not sure what bullshit you're trying to pull.

I just don't get the appeal of this game. World itself is extremely bland. There's only one city, and it's smaller than fucking Gran Soren. Everything is a fetch quest, and the main story is just uninteresting.

It gets even worse once you leave for Altissia.

I just don't understand how anyone can like this game. It falls flat on it's face on so aspects.

>it's halfbaked because I don't like it!

>Because the devs cared we got one of the best FFs
yeah back in 1997
Square doesn't give a shit after the merger, you shit eating retard.

No it's half-baked because they're adding shit that should have been in the base game.

XV is a finished game with a start, middle and end that has a strong conclusion and ends the main story. Anything they are doing now is side story stuff or just additional info, and playable side characters. But hey you gotta shitpost about something because you can't deal with it being a great game.

What fiasco?

...

>But the base game was well done
Now why go and try to downplay it? If the base game was well done then there wouldn't be those enjoying the game still complaining about plot, combat or content? Hence why outside of the episodes DLC we're getting so much that was mostly lampshaded or argued about?
I mean they're improving it, if it turns out good then I will be fine with that result.
Started an OP complaining about some prior post in a different thread about how fucking nomurafags and stunlocking.
Does he sleep?

>playable Lunafreya
>Playable Iris

yes plz

>Kings of Lucis.... Come to me!

Name a more kino moment in FF history, I challenge you.

>development by committee
>and the fans are the committee

This won't end well.

XV is one of the best FFs, stay in denial.

Because the world feels large and diverse, there's a lot of different places like the dungeons to the outposts to the towns to the different areas, cool monsters and enemy ecology. No everything is not a fetch quest, the sidequests are the same exact thing as FF1-9s sidequests are, and the main story is very interesting.

And it ramps up the intensity once you leave for altissia. Maybe you just have shit taste.

Let's mosey.

Holy shit

>he's the true chosen warrior of light
>shitposting for 10 years will awaken his true power to remove the starscourge

FFXV was a mistake. In fact, every main FF since and including XIII was a mistake.

Let FF die already. Stop raping its corpse with these abominations.

>No everything is not a fetch quest,

Are you fucking kidding? Literally every sidequest is a fetch quest.

>And it ramps up the intensity once you leave for altissia

Yeah it ramps up being shit.

Yeah...can you remind me when did they explained major plot points like Ifrit, the Scourge, the Meteors, and Ardyn?

>Adding side story stuff and playable side characters
It doesn't make it half baked, the main game has its story told from start to finish with Noctis's story coming to an end, all this stuff is side story stuff or just additional info.

Do you also cry when FF7, FF8, FF10 international added in new scenes and enemies and stuff? When KH1 and KH2 and KHBBS FM added in new scenes and enemies and stuff?

>b-but those were finished
As much as XV is.

>tfw all those things should have been in the base game

Amazing developing technique tabata

>finished game

I guess you hate the modding community, huh?

Yes, Amplitude does it all the time.

/thread

>Now why go and try to downplay it?
If anyone is trying to downplay the game here it's you.

XV has one of the best realized FF worlds yet with the best animation and environments as well as models and graphics we've had in an FF, the atmosphere from just wandering around and exploring, stumbling upon dungeons off the beaten path feels great.

Also I don't even know what the fuck you are trying to argue because people complain about plot, combat and content in every single RPG ever. even for Chrono Trigger people complain.

Depends on the context, and in this instance it's not okay as all of this should have been in the game itself. I'm glad they're being pro-active but it doesn't excuse releasing a half-assed game.

Depends if they control feedback to a reasonable level and have the still have the skills to implement it reasonably.
What does that have to do with the level of XV's changes? Mods are by choice without much dev moderation on what mods are acceptable meanwhile you got things that pretty much will alter the game permamently.

Nice lack of new IP. I wonder who could be behind this post.

>No, the company should completely ignore and insult their fans.

That's actually what they did with XIII, and it's a better game despite being a hallway.

I was very disappointed with this desu. I know there was some notes in Zegnautus Keep in chapter 13 that explained that the scourge was basically a cloud of bacteria blocking out all light, but then I hear from the Ultimania or some shit that it was actually Ifrit who brought it to Eos after having a fallout with the other Astrals. This is why Ardyn and Ifrit are even aligned, they both hate the Astrals. This is why he is the penultimate boss!

How the fuck, I mean how the FUCK did this vital piece of plot information not make it into the main game? Why the fuck am I searching for mythril, or rescuing my car, or supposed to give a crap about a family serving the Amicitia's which were not important to the plot, when actual relevant plot points are not mentioned?

How did they focus so much on filler story content when there was legitimate plot relevant content needing to be explained?

For Tabata to give the ok on this, he is a complete fucking hack.

>Literally every sidequest is a fetch quest
So racing Gladio on the beach is a fetch quest? Taking photo's of Cidney is a fetch quest? Helping Ignis cook is a fetch quest? So fighting a ghost painting is a fetch quest? Tracking down Behemoth to kill it and unlock chocobo's is a fetch quest? So all the sidequest dungeons are somehow fetch quests?

You don't need to lie this desperately.

>One of the best realised worlds
>needs fixes to expand it from the base game
You're losing me here.
>Even from chrono trigger people complain
And people have the right to then, but if it's going to the point where we're getting this level of revamping this soon then it says a lot about the frequency of said complaints and the urgency for Square then.
I hope for the best with the fixes.

He started shitposting yesterday and did it for 18 straight hours. Started a thread to bitch some more after the one he was died and then did it again a couple hours later

Fetch quests and hunts.

Those passtime events are just bland padding.

Did he even sleep

Those events with the crew aren't quests though.

The ghost in the painting is a hunt, not a sidequest.

The sidequests you get from NPCs are still all fetch quests.

The meteor came down during the old astral war and Titan caught it, it was sent down by Ifrit who is called the betrayer
Ardyn tells you exactly who he is and Bahamut tells you in more detail too
The Cosmogony books scattered around inform you of who the saviour was which subverts that once you learn the savior in the books was Ardyn
From Ifrit being known as the betrayer and being said to be not fond of humans, we can already surmise why the scourge was let out

Don't think so
He's most certainly a neet from the way he acts

easily a NEET who gets autism bux - it's easy to get in australia

Where the fuck is the bestiary Square?

XV Complete on PC when?

I feel bad for the people who bought it already.

>needs fixes to expand it from the base game
Uh what? You might want to expand on this because what does this have to do with XV being one of the best realized words?

>but if it's going to the point where we're getting this level of revamping this soon then it says a lot about the frequency of said complaints and the urgency for Square then.
First of all XV already broke even and sold well, and it also received well and had more GOTY awards than other FFs, SE have no reason to do any of these updates other than because they want to.

>What does that have to do with the level of XV's changes? Mods are by choice without much dev moderation on what mods are acceptable meanwhile you got things that pretty much will alter the game permamently.

Mods themselves makes the games a lot better. The reason Skyrim sold millions of more copies is because of the huge modding community. Fans love games which are actually made for them.

Yes, many mods are totally stupid and gamebreaking. Which is why I'm glad the developers will have a final say of what will and will not be implemented in the game. Don't ignore that there are many mods which actually enrich the game, make the world bigger and more complex. And best of all, they make the games superior and more fun.

So not only were you full of shit but you have no idea what a fetch quest is. Only a few of the sidequests are even fetch quests and they are all optional anyway, every single FF has fetch quests.

>Literally called On-Tour Quests
Yes they are.

You have a sidequest from Vyv about the ghost painting, which you can only do by taking the hunt to battle it.

>Our game is unfinished
>But guys we will make it all better
>We have no artistic vision whatsoever though so we can add whatever you want!!! Just pick one and only one!

Also, this "games as a service" idea is fucking retarded if it's a singleplayer game. Most people will get through it and forget about it.

>The meteor came down during the old astral war and Titan caught it, it was sent down by Ifrit who is called the betrayer

This is never explained ingame

>Ardyn tells you exactly who he is and Bahamut tells you in more detail too

Ok my bad, I was refering to Ardyn plotting with Ifrit. Never explained ingame.

>The Cosmogony books scattered around inform you of who the saviour was which subverts that once you learn the savior in the books was Ardyn

Oh those little books scattered acros the whole fucking planet that gives you 4 lines of non-sensical info with no context?

>From Ifrit being known as the betrayer and being said to be not fond of humans, we can already surmise why the scourge was let out

And how many youtube videos of pitioss and how many reddit threads did you need to understand all this?

I'll tell you a thing, if I have to surf the whole fucking web so some autist that played a 60h games more than 500h studying every damn pixel explains me that he found clues about a hidden story behind the non-story of the game that means the game is fucking shit storytelling wise. Ifrit, the scourge and Ifrit x Ardyn were the major plot points of the game and they are never talked about ingame, or explained ingame, or told anything ingame.

The only reason you think XIII's better is because because your waifu is in it.

>Yes they are.

They're not quests, they're events. Running on a beach in the morning is not a quest.

>>We have no artistic vision whatsoever though so we can add whatever you want!!! Just pick one and only one!

But they are adding in all that stuff and all the survey is for is to see what fans want to see first.

See