Tfw you will never have pic related

>tfw you will never have pic related
>tfw you will forever have to keep tapping A & D keys to set yourself up in a window instead of easing a stick to the left/right and moving perfectly into space

I actually agree that a mouse combined with a controller is probably the most precise way to control something.

But instead of putting it on the mouse how about hold one of these in your left hand and using the mouse with the right? you can already do it.

>consolefags are ok with the delay from moving the stick from the left to the right
>consolefags are ok with dead zone in the stick after 2 months of use
>consolefags are ok with not being able to press Y X A and B at the same time

>Flightstick with a POV Hat in the left hand
>Mouse in the right hand

It's really like keypads aren't a thing.

those are memepads

>he hasn't gained mastery of the mouse

Truly, the sign of a casual

Because that would be a horrible waste of time, make you more inaccurate and offer no benefit.

you don't comprehend it my dude.

...

Uh, no thanks.

I agree that meese seem to have been left by the way-side in terms of innovation, but I don't agree with the proposed solution.

retard
for a basic movements in like an adventure game then MAYBE it would pass but in an FPS game where you have to make specific movements and aim at the same time it would never work

Try wiggling your thumb around in a similar range to an analog stick while moving your mouse and you'll know why it's not been done.

Sure it would.
You just have to put time into getting gud with it.

Do you mean like the 'pat your head, rub your stomach' difficulty humans have? You can snap out of it if you do it enough.

what is this?

As long as it's not on a shitty steel series product.

I would put an anag stick in my keyboard, not my mouse.

Anyway, anyone else here ever played a game with controller + mouse, or any other weird setup like that?

does this work on pc?

They've got these

they suck

a thumbstick would be even worse

Yeah, I played borderlands 1 & 2 with it. In the end I just went full /comfy/ and ditched the mouse.

It works though, just have to prop the controller on your left hand on something so you don't keep having to adjust it

Yep, and the overwatch babbies are crying that using it is cheating

Where does my hand go

On paper it looks neat, BUT...
I'm trying to imagine actually using the stick and the mouse at the same time but my brain is basically returning logical errors.

The two buttons on the mouse are commonly used as lean, it's not had for me to imagine them easily being able to be used for movement.

i imagine it would be really uncomfortable to rest your hand on

the GOAT

lads seriously get this shit

>'m trying to imagine actually using the stick and the mouse at the same time

its easier and more natural than you think and many games have supported this for a long time. i did it with gta 4 ages ago to drive with a controller and briefly use a mouse for drive by precision aiming. used it a bunch in saints row games as well, makes the mayhem destruction missions actually too easy.

>you will forever have to keep tapping A & D keys to set yourself up in a window instead of easing a stick to the left/right
babies's first computer game? you use mouse for that retard and set yourself right 4k pixel accurate

for fuck's sake i'm this close to making tutorial how to use mouse properly for PC games

>Analogue
>on Mouse
That has to be dumbest idea anyone has ever come up with, ever.

Explain instead of using insults

depute it
>superior linear movement
>superior mouse aim

You can't, because it's a great idea.

Anytime you move, you're going to be altering your aim.

It's a bad idea because putting two sets of X/Y axes in control of one hand is a recipe for disaster.

you don't understand how mouse +keyboard works and in fact is superior linear movement already??
let me roughly explain it to you
you move camera in conjunction with keyboard achieving perfect precision in any movement

I have my hand on my mouse right now, moving my thumb as if there were a stick there and my mouse isn't moving at all.

Is that what you meant? moving the stick will move my mouse? 'cause it doesn't.

see No amount of crappy explanations will change the fact that when I went to look out a window in Insurgency, I couldn't get it immediately right.

sounds like you need to play with your sensitivity

keyboard keys don't have sensitivity.

>No amount of crappy explanations will change the fact that when I went to look out a window in Insurgency, I couldn't get it immediately right.
only high amount of training will change the fact that you are console scum that got his first pc few month back

The two buttons on a mouse are commonly used for aiming and firing.

The fuck you one about using anything on a mouse for leaning? Most games don't even have that.

>superior linear movement
You do not move with your mouse.
>superior mouse aim
You are a retard

THE SIDE BUTTONS, AS DEPICTED IN THE OPENING IMAGE

Imagine using your hypothetic mouse to strafe while picking up and moving the mouse to turn quickly. It's shitty and awkward and a retarded idea which is why nobody has ever done it.

your moment is with the stick - on the side of the mouse

your aim is with the mouse - like any other mouse

>The two buttons on a mouse are commonly used for aiming and firing.

Common mouse has 4 buttons.

It's a highly efficient and effective idea that will improve your performance.

The awkwardness and initial difficulty will pass with time

>your moment is with the stick - on the side of the mouse

There are mice with a numpad on the side, only retard or person with one arm would use that to move.

If you have two hands, you are retarded to use mouse for movement, it's going to hinder your ability to aim.

Hey guys I'm not that good at playing games but I think this is a great idea for a controller.

of course not you idiot? What else could I have possibly meant by that, do you think? Take your time

>No amount of crappy explanations will change the fact that when I went to look out a window in Insurgency, I couldn't get it immediately right.
The problem here is that you're clearly really new to FPS.

what the heck, thats a penis!

The thumbsticks on those aren't analog.

You can't even point a mouse at a window and are trying to tell people what is highly efficient and effective and improves performance.

Cute micro benis.

that already exists user

a retarded person would rather not have the superior linear movement.

the problem is that when I press the A & D keys, it moves me too far, thus I overshoot the window.

everyone who plays fps will know what I mean

press/tap*

>superior linear movement.
[citation needed]

I like how you think that float is superior to int

dummy, what don't you understand? a key press will make me overshoot the window, wtf will changing my mouse settings do?

>everyone who plays fps will know what I mean
no

Useless clutter. There is never a situation where you don't want full speed.

>[citation needed]
Give me 10 mins, I'm going to make a recording
you'll see

They are. But devs are too dumb to let you use joystick + mouse

yes, so keyboard is better for that.

kinda why keyboard is bad for racing, because when you press button you go full tilt into a wall and you need to tap.

Keyboard is ON/OFF, analogue is 0.000 -> 1.000 with everything in the middle.

OP dont try and replace a keyboard, people who spent 100 dollars on their meme razer mechanical backlit keyboards will get mad at you

But seriously, there has to be a better way than WASD out there somewhere

he isn't trying to replace keyboard, he is trying to put analogue stick on a mouse.

You're thinking too small, it's not just about movelent itself. WASD is great because there's a dozen of other buttons in its immediate vicinity for all the controls you may ever want.

better for what?

Yeah, you still need all the keys on the keyboad. with my idea, not only do you have the keys (4 more), you have superior movement aswell

this is another explanation why linear analogue movement is great.

>With my idea
you mean this?

you can still use your left hand to access all the keyboard shortcuts and keys if you put it on the mouse.

for fucks sake, here, it exists

Yes, because the mouse is how you move

Not many of those are true linear analogue. Many are just directional movement like a D-pad on a typical controller. The ones that aren't are not very accurate and good quality compared to the sticks on a playstation controller.

not. enough. buttons

do they do one without the screen and buttons?

I know someone that uses an xbox elite controller in the left hand and aims with a mouse in the right hand for fps games.

It seemed pretty weird to me but he says it's comfy when you get used to it.

Having the stick on the mouse hand is retarded. However, I could see an analog movement stick for the left hand and a mouse in the right hand, I just can't figure out how you would make it ergonomic to use both the stick and the rest of the keyboard buttons at the same time.

Being able to move in any direction relative to your aim, as opposed to eight directions, is a direct improvement and people would get used to it.

You can pretend that dual analog control on the same hand would be precise and useful, but you are 100% not the first person to come up with this idea and there's a reason it's not common practice. Analog on the non-mouse hand has its merits though, for the control reasons previously mentioned.

all of them are analogue, problem is windows or rather directx, it doesn't allow analogue with a mouse, if you would only use analogue without a mouse it would be perfect analogue.

fragFX

The trigger button is not linear tho. It's a shame, I emailed them about it but I doubt they'll fix it. no opint tho since there's only 1 (one) trigger when most games need 2 like gta on PC. right trigger for acceleration, left for breaking

>Being able to move in any direction relative to your aim, as opposed to eight directions, is a direct improvement and people would get used to it.

Thank you, this guy gets it

>is a direct improvement
Question is, is it actual improvement or a diminishing return?

play claw niqqa

Not the person you're replying to but I struggle to think of any specific game or genre of games that could currently utilize full benefits of the proposed control schemes.

bump

Here.

Now between the option of: TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP - Ah, finally exactly where I need to be, the

perfect angle.

And the option of: Gently easing your stick to get where you want to be hassle free (and faster).

Which would you rather pick?

Imagine me tracking a target running across here in the webm.

Shooters, to start off with. Particularly quake style shooters where movement is important. I feel like third person shooters would be more tolerable with this than net board and mouse.

Think about it this way. If the current system was analog movement plus mouselook, would you really think that the system which gives you less directions of movement and uses more fingers was better?

Racing games.
If your using a keyboad, when the key is pressed it will be full throttle, when not pressed, there will be nothing.

With a stick, you can get both and everything inbetween

Top rank overwatch player and i use wiimote nunchuck thing in my left and mouse in my right

i know its only overwatch but i dont see why it wouldnt work on other pc shooters if you prefer cowadooty and battlefield tf2 whatever

i actually think it would work even better on stuff with super speed like unreal and quake

whats net board

You are doing everything wrong, everything.
1. don't stand that close to a window
2. use lean buttons to look out of the windows, stay out of windows sight otherwise
3.you are open fucking target, don't fucking move, movement is easier to spot than standing still.

Oh God, from your complaints I could already tell you're bad. Oh boy, I wasn't expecting this though. I suggest you forward this thread to medical proffessional.

Autocorrect being retarded, keyboard.

>2. use lean buttons to look out of the windows, stay out of windows sight otherwise

Clearly, you've never played that game.

And yes, I know not to poke your gun out a window and whatnot. That webm was a quick example with NO enemy players runny across to help emphasis my point.

>mfw mvp every round
get fucked implying scum

Lying is a sin.

>Clearly, you've never played that game.
I play day of imfamy as I type this. Please learn to fucking play

you can't lean out that fucken window, and if you could, no one would as you said in point #1

Here's the last game I played. look at the file name

>you can't lean out that fucken window,
Are you a retard or are you just trying to get under my skin?

You literally can't though

Back on topic

linear 360degree movement > 8 directional movement