They are doubling down.They are deleting negative comments on youtube and other major sites.
Are Zenimax and Bethesda actively trying to kill gaming???
Are there bigger loosers than Bethesda at this years E3?
How are you going to deal with this shit?
I personally am going to boycott all Zenimax products and shit on them at every possible forum and image board out there.
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but i wanna play evil within
i'm sure zenimax and bethesda will go straight down the shitter without your $60
What is more important to you?
A single shit game?
Or the future of gaming?
It's not paid mods, you autistic sperg.
Mods are staying the way they are and free.
This stuff is community working with the dev team to make official DLC content.
Mods are not changing.
They also have a rule that modders can't take their previous mods and change them into CC content.
I'm surprised they didn't either disable ratings or switch to a different rating mode (the one that basically makes negative reviews delayed or discarded)
>Or the future of gaming?
>future of gaming is going to be destroyed because they're selling a bunch of cosmetic DLC
WOWEE
>the future of gaming?
oh boy time for another delusional gamergate war
All things add up.If a million people boycott their smelly asses that is $60 million.
Just pirate it nigga
it is way too easy to steal in 3d industry. and people will abuse the fuck out of it.
If they did that the internet would explode.They are trying to be coy. There were negative comments with over 2000 likes that got deleted yesterday alongside with the whole discussion below them.
Bethesda are real cancer.
people are idiots, user. dont try and correct them as theyll never understand.
...Are you retarded?
You really think a company is actually going to risk lawsuits by not taking legal precautions and looking into the mods they're supporting?
>the shills are in full damage control
Some of you should go and find a real job instead of defending shit corporations on a Japanese tapestry image board.
>they will have someone checking millions of mods for stolen assets,code
>nexus
>moddb
>loverslab
>other venues of mod sharing
Yeah right.Fuck off.
they might be 'shadowbanning' people from commenting as well, I made a post there last night and it was deleted this morning, went to make another post, and it shows up fine on my desktop, but it and its reply chain do not show up on my phone since I use a different account on there. (the post shows if I switch to my desktop account)
Yeah, the shills are out in force on gamefaqs and the like, I kept warning people this was going to happen, that they were going to double down on drowning out dissent and trying to force public opinion towards positivity with legions of shills when they tried this shit again
See this You can also go and play better games.
> This stuff is community working with the dev team to make official DLC content.
Outsourcing dlc for less than pocket change is worst than paid mods user, Bethesda is becoming the Uber of video games
Nah, The autistic fanbase will just report the ones that steal within hours
>they might be 'shadowbanning' people from commenting as well
Can they do that?I thought this shit was only on reddit?
Their "please pay for game you own full price again to enable VR camera mode" shit is even more jewy if you ask me.
How are you going to report stolen code when it will be packaged as DLC?
Do you understand that Bethesda are literally going to help thieves hide the evidence since the development will be hidden?
Shadowbanning/hellbanning isn't a concept exclusive to reddit
Not many sites are big enough faggots to use it though. And certainly no site abuses it to the degree that reddit has
>building a strawman
Stop
Wasn't there a mod that made the games use VR?I'd love to check if they stole that modders code to make their $60 VR version games.
When you monetize fan created content.
everyone will.
see that mod thats ABSOLUTELY necessary to play skyrim on PC because Beths default UI is garbage ?
Money talks bullshit walks.
>monetize fan created content.
Mods are STILL FREE AND WILL STAY FREE.
This is Beth themselves collaborating with fans to make DLC.
>This is Beth themselves collaborating with fans to make DLC.
This is not what Bethesda's statement was.Stop being a shill and find a real job.
No matter how you spin this shit it is paid mods 2.0.
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And you know what happens? All the talented ones will sign up with Beth to make money, and all the good mods will be behind a paywall. The only shit you can get for free will be shitty retextures and babby's first messed with CK and changed some variables mod #12145627 or stupid pointless cheat mod #2146512678789
>split is 90/10
fuck this company
>How are you going to deal with this shit?
nothing. stop being an entitled faggot.
>people demand that we bring mods to consoles
>so we'll monetize on that
I remember the tale about the landlord, the river and the chain.
DOWN WITH TODD
DOWN WITH TODD
DOWN WITH TODD
I don't play shitty Bethesda games in the first place, but how will this kill gaming? I assume you are insinuating that one company selling paid mods will cause others to follow suit?
If so, isn't the answer simply to not purchase those mods? Every game already has DLC, that is the new reality. But if paid mods become a thing it won't take long for developers to realise that no one is willing to pay for it and the concept will collapse.
>stop being an entitled faggot.
Todd?Where were you btw?Why no show at E3?
Source? Really interested by contractual details
it happened before, it will happen again.
the biggest mistake you can make, is expecting everyone to be as smart or smarter than you.
Todd types in all caps
>When you monetize fan created content.
>everyone will.
VALVE HAS BEEN SELLING FAN CREATED COSMETICS FOR LITERALLY YEARS
YYEAAAAAAAARRRRRRRSSSSS
HOW DO YOU FUCKS NOT GET THIS?
>You really think a company is actually going to risk lawsuits by not taking legal precautions
Were you not here for PAID MODS 1.0???
Everyone was stealing out of their ass and bethesda/zenimax didn't care one bit as long as they were getting their cut.
>If so, isn't the answer simply to not purchase those mods?
No, because the people will purchase them. Enough to make a profit. My dollar means nothing.
That's not it. It is "executive meddling" of sorts into the modding scene. I've made/collaborated mods in games in the past for games(Diablo 2, Starcraft, mostly conversion mods) and what creation club is going to do is say "Oh hey, I see you're trying to do content X there, why not do content Y and Za1 and Za2 and then remove content X and then add content B1,B3 and A4 etc." And basically if i don't agree with their decisions on the changes then my mod doesn't go up on their page. Mods are supposed to be a reflection of MY OWN/TEAM works for shit I or my team wanted to do, not because of what any game executive tells us what we will do. And we don't do it for a quick buck but rather it's a hobby for me and others like myself.
>My dollar means nothing
True, but it's not just your dollar. Look at the backlash so far.
So if you don't want executive meddling, upload your mod for free somewhere else, like normal. What's the fucking problem again?
because you retards have been fapping to cod from 1996 doesn't mean everyone have been on the same boat
Because those are multi players games getting regular updates that might needs the extra cash for server upkeep.
Old single player games that doesn't get update anymore is not the same thing.
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Wait, monetizing mods is the same as having fan contests for new coosmetics?
Is your memory really that bad that you don't remember the last time they tried to do this shit?
It was less than 24 hours before the community started eating itself alive and it barely recovered since.
Afaik you can run it with VorpX in VR.
but that is a paid program and pretty bleem tier.
Probably in a few years there will be a better open source alternative.
Just like the concept of dlc colapsed right?
It's a shitty practice that encourages modders to get themselves behind a paywall which heavily skews in the studio's favor. It also relaxes pressure from the studio having to fix their own shit.
It's an unecessary middle man in the mod process with little to no tangible benefit to the end consumer other than bringing mods to the console market.
If you're too much of an entry level normie to play the game on pc, then you're probably not going to be interested in mods for the game.
If you are playing on pc and support this; you're all for giving a corporation free money and encouraging the death of free content, and the continued implementation of unnecessary taxation.
>people make hats/skins for dota/csgo/tf2
>those skins are thoroughly vetted by valve
>they are then sold in game
>the creators of the skins recieve a cut of the money earned from selling their loot boxes
>people make mods for skyrim
>those mods are thoroughly vetted by bethesda
>they are sold in game
>the creators of those mods recieve a cut of the money
It's LITERALLY the same thing.
>they even put the Horse Armor in the video
I can't tell if someone is pulling a joke or not.
> WEAPONS: New weapons, material skins, parts, etc.
> APPAREL: New outfits, armor, and items for your character.
> WORLD: New locations, decorations, foliage, etc.
> CHARACTERS: New abilities, characters, companions, etc.
> CREATURES: New enemies, mounts, pets, etc.
> GAMEPLAY: New types of gameplay like survival mode, etc.
Unless if you take liberties with the GAMEPLAY category nothing in this signifies they'll take on people for bug fixes aka the people that fix their fucking games get the shaft. Bethesda a shit.
Valves modding store was unmoderated and had no quality control. Bethesda isn't exactly known for having great quality control but if they do a good job it could work.
IIRC SkyUI devs completely quit modding after it.
Have you read the opinions of most mod makers, most of them don't have a problem with this since this addressed all of the flaws of what they did before, this is curated, the mod makers have to go through a testing process, it has to be localised for every language, they are doing qa on it, this isn't like before where anyone could upload anything. Free mods will remain as lots of mod makers have already stood by. If this is a bad thing or not all rests in the implementation, if its cosmetic shit and they are underpaying the modders then of course people should complain but if this is driving better content and continued support for mods than I don't see a problem with it since as of now both the Fallout 4 and Skyrim modding scenes have slowed down massively.
It's worst than that, modders are taking job from Bethesda employees.
Developing dlc internally cost a lot of money, creation club is the ultimate out sourcing tool.
Because I want to upload my mod to be as easily accessable as possible to as many people as possible. I've uploaded my Shadowrun Returns mods to both Nexus and Steam Workshop(I should get around to finishing and converting it for Shadowrun Hong Kong). But if one of those was cutoff because it didn't meet executive guidelines that just makes it harder for my work to be seen. Furthermore if it gets put behind a paywall then that reiterates the point of less people being able to see and access my works easily. You say upload it for free like everywhere else? Who's to say a Zenimax executive gets upset that I do this and wants me to pull those other mods down? Other thing is I've used code from other people in the modding scene to help me stabilise and fix problems, if my mod gets monetized I do not ethically feel it is right for me to profit from someone elses work when they were responsible for finishing the overall product.
What the big problem is that it's someone else telling me what I can do with my mod, where I am allowed to put my mod and whether or not they have the final say of it going up or not.
Creators have no bill of rights and a lawsuit wouldn't work since Bethesda is the one releasing the tool kit and product.
The other anons fears about funneling modding into paid dlc are legitimate.
Just to add i am doing this for free.
No paid shill will ever be able to do this for as long as me.
Bethesda/Zenimax you are never going to get a positive review from me.
I am never going to buy your games ever again.
I will bomb every one of your games on Metacritic.
Do you know what is the really scary part?
I am not the only one.
>they'll take on people for bug fixes aka the people that fix their fucking games get the shaft
At the same time though, paying people to fix bugs in a shitty ass game you already paid for is criminal.
>It's LITERALLY the same thing.
No it's not since it's not avail yet. Stop acting like this shit is truth.
>all that shilling going on here
Pure damage control.
But you know what, I have no doubts Todd will succeed this time. He spent a year buttering up consolefag consumer whores to the concept of mods. He knows they'll buy anything.
I dearly wish I'm wrong, but it seems he has his audience now.
>nothing in this signifies they'll take on people for bug fixes aka the people that fix their fucking games get the shaft
Quote properly you faggot.
I don't give a fuck what mod makers think
I saw all the scum immediately jump to paywall mods the second it was possible and know damn well not to use thsoe faggots' mods anymore
Are you this much of a fucking newfag that you don't know what copypasta is? What the fuck dude lurk more.
Fucking e3. Making me argue with literal fucking children. Fuck this shit.
I've been boycotting bethesda for ages, fallout 3 was such a shitshow I don't want to give a penny to the company after that.
Kinda shame that there is games like dishonored and evil within under them.
But the company stands for absolutely everything that is shit int he current vidya culture so fuck them.
>Other thing is I've used code from other people in the modding scene to help me stabilise and fix problems, if my mod gets monetized I do not ethically feel it is right for me to profit from someone elses work when they were responsible for finishing the overall product.
That's a good point, with paid mods suddenly mods become even more of a minefield of license bullshit than regular software
>Have you read the opinions of most mod makers
I have and there are people threatening to pull out their mods, since they are scared of their content being stolen and sold.
I have never bought a bethesda game and I never will
They are trying to exploit a potentially untapped marked. Orders from the suits above came and their marketing thinktanks are trying to do as they are told. If the negative feedback becomes overwhelming and all encompassing, seeping even into unrelated things, they will fuck off when the suits realize that it can hurt the profits and no amount of appealing to dumb normalfags with shit taste will compensate for the financial loss.
>I saw all the scum immediately jump to paywall mods the second it was possible
skyUI
>Entire organizations of mods on the nexus dedicated to keeping mods free and such a backlash that it killed the movement in the crib
Shills trying to demonize mod makers. You're fucking evil.
>properly
No.
Some of these mod makers have been spending thousands of hours without getting anything out of it, maybe they should have a right to be payed. I agree that it could turn out shit, it also has potential to be good, I think I am rational in saying that maybe we should wait to see how it turns out before raging online.
>right to be payed
First of all: it's "paid". Second, you have no fucking right to be paid, it's a privilege. If you're good enough and popular enough, you will be rewarded with money, fame and admiration. Just because you spent effort on something doesn't make you entitled to being compensated for that effort in any way, shape or form. Get that stupid shit out of your head.
>people have been making mods for decades for free with no issues
>A PUBLISHER proposes the idea they should be paid by the CONSUMER
>THE CONSUMER shills for the publisher
Fuck
you
cancer
I'm evil for not downloading certain mods? I didn't realize that it's my responsibility to buy mods
Make a fucking donation box then you snowflake
Hey QC, it's me again. I see you've learned some new words from being here, that's awesome! Still too easy to spot though, maybe change your formatting and throw off your punctuation?
>maybe they should have a right to be payed
They have and it is the donation option on nexus.
Stop being a shill and find a real job.
Also if they were doing this for the money they should've started making games instead.
All those mods were made for fun.NOBODY WAS PAID TO MAKE THEM!!!THEY WERE ALL MADE FOR FUN AND WITH GOOD WILL!!!
Bethesda and Zenimax are poisoning th modding community.
Yes, Chesko essentially stealing another modder's work to make $5 was despicable.
>trying to spin it like you weren't generalizing all mod makers.
>trying to spin it like GEM and other organizations all had dragon masthead to keep mods free.
>lying on shit that can be easily checked.
Even now they keep banners up to keep mods free.
>gib free mods
Communist spotted
>Yes, Chesko essentially stealing another modder's work to make $5 was despicable.
That guy literally committed internet suicide.He was shamed publicly.Fuck him and fuck other subhumans like him.
Still no clue what the fuck you're talking about, but when paid mods 2.0 rolls in I'll be sure to buy each and every single mod there is because it's apparently my duty
>Some of these mod makers have been spending thousands of hours without getting anything out of it
You are wrong, they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't get anything out of it. It's hobby to these people. And it's not professional work, getting paid for being amateur modder is getting paid for your hobby, that's a great deal but shouldn't be expected.
You become good enough or develop good enough content, you will end up having great portfolio and might end up landing a job. People programming school projects don't get paid either cause they are amateurs and do it to learn and because they like it the first.
Shill spotted.
>boycott Bethesda
>implying i buy Bethesda shit in the first place
are you a mod maker?
if not why are you shilling for something that goes against your interests?
When I create my mods and release them to the public I do not expect to be paid. I do it because I enjoy it and I enjoy tinkering and doing stuff within the game engine. Musicians don't get paid for every single song they play if they just randomly start singing and/or playing an instrument in an impromptu performance. They do it because of a passion and love for the medium.
I'll shill paid mods as much as possible, using forum wipes and spam to annoy people.
Please don't compare yourself to a musician, because the "should artists get paid for everything they do" debate is as old as time and can only serve to derail this discussion
I will never sell my mods to Bethesda. If they hire me and give me a job as a result of my mod work then that's a different story but I would keep my previous works free. I don't believe it would be right for me to suddenly start charging money for something I was providing for free and consumed zero tangible resources.
BUY MY GAME!!!
This kind of rhetoric is lost on shills, they do not understand the concept for someone doing things because they like doing them or doing it for the sake of being recognized and seeing your work cherished. This latest generation is fucked in the head beyond comprehension. Unless immediate gratification is in place and concretely established rewards are provided it is a "waste of time".
I think you have misread the entire point of my post.