It's time to discuss the best RPG ever

It's time to discuss the best RPG ever

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But that's not The Witcher 3

TW3 is miles better

I'm sorry. I liked Gothic 1 a lot but somehow I couldn't get through 2.

Deus ex?

How does a game from 2002 that's not about hunting monsters has better monster hunting than a game from 2015 that's all about hunting monsters?

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Incorrect. TW3 is an empty souless husk compared to the hand crafted world in Gothic. TW3 world is so massive that it loses a lot of character because you dimply can't navigate it intuitively. You have to constantly check the map, set waypoints etc. This is only one example. I loved the witcher but I loved gothic 1 and 2 more. Diego is a bro

why?

I've completed G2 on release with each faction. Great game but TW3 is on a whole another level, not even funny.

It's the setting. I loved Gothic for its setting.

Sure Marcin

The open world design is literally ubisoft-tier in its filler and POI spam, and is further destroyed by...

...the loot system, which destroys any incentive for exploration. The weapons you find are worse than witcher gear you obtained 10 levels ago, and you get witcher gear from quests anyway so its not like you have to go hunting for them.
Money holds practically no value whatsoever, and the only loot you find thats useful is alchemy ingredients. Which would be fine if...

...the combat system wasn't so barebones and bland. Throughout your 150+ hour adventure, you use one moveset, 5 bland spells, a crossbow, some bombs and optional potions. The enemy and boss design is so generic and boring though, that using all that hify shit like potions and decoction is pretty much pointless. The biggest strategy is just to mash light attack twice, backhop, and repeat. A large majority of the enemies follow this mentality, and it never truly evolves into anything more meaningful. Why does Djikstra have the same moveset as a wild hunt warrior you fight with Keira?
The game even reskins and recycles enemies in paid DLC, and then dares to call them new ones with new beastiry entries.

The quest design is made for literal braindead children who can't think for themselves. Its obnoxiously yawn inducing because the "investigations" you do are practically you just walking around in circles and spamming X so geralt can shove some more exposition down your throat. It lacks depth, challenge, player activity and more than anything else, longevity. It never evolves into anything more unique or interesting, and it persists through the ENTIRE 150+ hours.

The main quest is basically super mario in poland, where Geralt goes around picking flowers, herding goats and helping every bum under the sun just so he can get the usual message that "nah bro, I don't know shit senpai"

cont

nice pasta, reconsider suicide Hans

Skellige is wasted potential at best, and the game rushes to its conclusion way too fast after Kaer Morhen. Novigrad and Velen use up a massive portion of time, and the entire point of those areas boils down to "your ciri is in another area that requires you to go through like 20 boring side missions before anything substantial happens"

The story sets up its stakes way too high, and thus makes side content break immersion to a major degree. Theres no reason why Geralt would go around killing nekkers for pennies when the literal end of the world was around the corner.

Speaking of which, the white frost, ciris powers and all of culminating at the same time is some of the most cringe inducing shit I've ever seen. Ciri can hop between time and space because "its in her blood lmao" and the white frost is just a prophecy of "dude lmao if it happens we all die lmaooooo"

Then at the end when you defeat Eredin (who is the most bland fucking villain I've ever seen, he has less lines than reskinned shopkeepers in Velen), the white frost just suddenly comes at the same exact time and Ciri defeats it somehow and everythings awesome and then yay the game ends.
Its rushed as fuck and I lost all my interest in caring about the characters during that arc.

HOS is the best content in the game, but it doesn't fix the gameplay gripes. The story is great however and has the only good antagonist in the entire game.

B&W is fine, but again has the same problems with its open world, quest design, enemy design, and even the main quest.

Overall the game doesn't have a single piece of good gameplay, and the only thing that comes close is the boss fight with Dettlaff.
Its worth experiencing because of things completely unrelated to it being a video game. You would get the same exact experience from just watching it on youtube for fucks sake, and even then it would save you money, time and most of all effort since you wouldn't have to wade through boring filler.

Why would I rewrite this every time?

It's 100% true and witchercucks can't argue with it

best camp

Geralt is a shitty protagonist

>hurr cucks
whatever champ

And yet, with all its faults its still miles better than the open world fetchquest simulator that is Gothic 2

Gothic fag never fails to amaze

>he took his time to make this

top kek, why are you so butthurt?

Friendly reminder that arguing with gothic-fag is pointless. When he gets btfo, he just stops responding and simply posts the same images and copypastas in another thread at another time.

There's no argument, just eternam butthurt

Witcher 3 hardly qualifies as a game. 50% of the game is cutscenes. 45% is following markers or senses. The other 5% is spamming light attack and igni against the same enemies the whole game just with a different level number next to them.
All of that while having a boring story about finding some bitch and having to endure a rather unlikeable main character plus ultra bad voiceover in any language other than english and polish.

The only thing the thing has going for it is the size of the world (mostly empty or copy paste content) and the graphics.

this is not mass effect 3

Still waiting for an answer

Man I must say, PB are some flawed motherfuckers.

They never manage to finish games properly. All of their games have the same core mechanics, the same flaws. Even with newer technology their work comes out as clunky and dated.

I mean Risen was a promising game. You would think JeWood was mostly responsible for their failures. But it was just an illusion of some great game until you reach chapter 3 and you realize that it's really, really half baked.

Risen 2 was worse. Risen 3 was a response to complaints and had more variety, but it was probably their blandest game to date. And now ELEX. Another game that looks essentially the same mechanically, just with futuristic shit. They are amazing at designing good looking environments, but they don't put anything substantial on them. They love to talk about their combat system, but it remains clunky and hitboxes are equivalent to last decade MMORPGs. Shit I find that even the open world triple A trash that's coming out today is better done than this shit, and that's troublesome.

I only hope they realize that they need something more to go on than Gothic 7 with jetpacks.

>The Kurwa 3 movie
>better than anything

All true.

Objectively, witcher 3 sold only because of having the best graphics, sex scenes, largest world and of course a marketing budget larger than the actual game.

It's just sad, because in other words that means we can't get good games anymore because the majority of customers want to be fucking ripped off.

oh cool, I don't remember this part in Skyrim

B-but all the casuals and niemcy cosplayers love TW3, user!

To be honest, I liked TW1 more than TW2 and TW3. Besides being buggy, shitty body mechanics, and sword styles it truly felt like The Witcher novel. It had the perfect atmosphere and being played in Polish really changed the mood.

Definitely Super Mario in Poland. With more "Kurwa! Co to jest?!" Thrown in for good measure.

Daily reminder that only butthurt Poles praise The Witcher 3

Saying it comes even close to the ultimate masterpiece that is Gothic 2 is laugh-inducing, let alone saying it's better.

Comparing The Witcher 3 to Gothic is like comparing a 5 year old's drawing to a Da Vinci's painting

TW3 is hardly a game. It lacks gameplay. It's literally a cinematic garbage that holds your hand all the time. The game literally plays itself.

And the story, which is what people claim to be the main reason why The Witcher 3 is good, is medicore as fuck.

Well everybody that was responsible for gothic 2 left PB after the rushed release of gothic 3. Except for that one guy that is now the chief designer / producer and literally said: 'I don't get why people thought gothic 2 was good and I don't understand what they mean when they say immersion.'
He doesn't get what makes a game good nor does he even remotely understand it's his fucking job think about it himself and listening to the 10 permavirgin forum trolls on their board will never get them anywhere.

So, what do you expect of a company lead by someone like that?

this is the most salient point. geralt is so fucking annoying and playing through almost a whole game as him is a chore. no matter what responses you choose to give, he's still a grizzled, mopey, bland piece of shit

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I'm Pole and the only thing I'm butthurt about is the dicksucking of my country on TW3.
2015 was such a nightmare
>perhaps i should ask my fellow countrymen for a good video game recc as im bored right now
>HAEV YOU HERD OF WIESIEK 3?
>ANOUNM WHY DONR TU YPLAY WIESIEK 3???? BEST GAME EVER GOTY AWARDS *sounds of shit gobbling*
It was okay, alright? now fuck off
>that combat
Okay,it was decent at best

This.
I just watched a let's play, trying to analize what the game does right. In many conversations out of nowhere in the middle of the conversation he starts passive agressively insulting people. Of course people always give some 'funny' answer. But it's not fucking funny it's just sad that he derails every conversation like that and then everybody just goes back to normal as if it never happened.

>Gothic protagonist
>convicted prisoner, just a regular dude, not just another "chosen good hero", badass that doesn't give a fuck about anything, makes ironic comments all the time, his dialogues are actually funny and not reddit tier memes, voice actor full of life and energy, extremely likable, knows that he's not a hero and doesn't act like a hero, he just gets shit done because he has to.

>Geralt
>fedora tipping edgelord, cheesy, voice actor sounds edgy, spews reddit memes left and right, no personality, boring, bland, not likable.

>arguing over whether Tw3 or Gothic 2 is best rpg
>thinking TW3 is anywhere close to gothic 2
>thinking gothic 2 is anywhere close to best rpg
>unironically
Please stop posting on this website.

This is 100% correct.
t. Pole

The post that eternally BTFO gothic fag(s).

This only has good writing
It is not a better RPG

>tfw you finish NoTR and have to leave Jharkendar and go back to Khorinis

What makes it the best RPG ever, other than just nostalgiafagging?

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>99% of the game is actual gameplay with minimal cutscenes and overlal high level of interactivity - i.e. a game as gamey as it can be
>combat is simple yet requires skill, timing, learning etc.
>npcs act in a conceivable manner
>great variety in combat and other gameplay activities
>3 factions make for a vastly different experience, making most people play the game 3 times at least
>players expected to think for themselves
>great exploration, can find something everywhere, but never out of place stuff
>great music
>full voiceover in a time where most games still where 100% text only
>high quality voiceover for most languages
>clear cut graphics that clearly show what the player can interact with without any highlighting
>very efficient and functional UI with minimal elements
>only entertaining and engaging quests

How about you form your own opinions retard?

>played gothic 1 about 3 years ago for the first time
>enjoyed the hell out of it
>wondered why I never played 2
>buy gothic collection a few weeks ago
>decide to play gothic 1 again before moving onto 2
>game starts out fun, but then becomes a fucking chore with all the glitches (ladders/invisible enemies/getting stuck in the "slide down cliff" animation)
>character moves so fucking slow it's tedious to move across the map unless you buy bloodfly transform scrolls or sprint potions
>at this point I just want to finish it so I can go on to gothic 2
>get to free mine and this fucking orc wants me to go and kill 4 different monsters that I've already fucking killed to loot items that only just now become available to loot and then he want me to lug my ass back to him all the way to this fucking mine
>uninstall the game because seriously fuck this
>now remember why I never tried gothic 2
Fuck gothic 1 so much. I should've just went straight to gothic 2 because I've had enough.

Why would I write for hours when you can watch a video and learn the same and also have visuals in it

play gothic 2

Writing that post actually made me feel like giving it a shot. I'll probably be at the next gothic 2 thread, either shitting on it or praising it. If it's still glitchy as fuck, expect the former. I'm so tired of having to look up "stuck at x" because everything breaks all the time. I've gotten stuck at a mine because of shitty ladders, gotten stuck while riding the river flow, gotten stuck turning a fucking wheel, etc. I can only give this series so much free passes.

Also, any tips on being a magician in 2? I went sect in 1 this time, but apparently the sect camp only allows you to reach circle 4, which kind of sucked.

And yet none of that shit is what the game is praised for, although it's there as well. It's just that graphics, sex scenes, and open world size are more important to you than other aspects such as writing, immersion, or player choice so you scratch your head and like an autist come up with these three as reasons for why the game gets hyped.

Even if you lead "casuals" to a game like Gothic they still won't care about it as much as Witcher 3 if it fails to connect with them on an emotional level. Regardless of how many ways in which you can get some orc club there are.

Just letting you know, Gothic 2 Notr is VERY MUCH harder than 1, and magic is even harder.