This is fucking stupid

This is fucking stupid.

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>forward
>down forward

woow so hard

>normies complain about DP motions when this exists.
I agree OP this is needless.

>forward down forward
more like forward standstill quarter circle forward.

Show us some real inputs, like the guilty gear or blazblue stuff.

RDC is stupid, EWGF is only hard to do quickly when you aren't used to it.

forward, neutral, down, down forward?

and you fucked it up.
it's forward neutral down down-forward.

to someone who grew up on street fighter and it's ilk it took a minute to get.

Now try doing a pwgf

on pad I just do that, works works every time

>BOB

DP will always be the most retarded input in fighting games and only exist to make it easier for developers to make lazy sets of special moves. There is no reason that 632 or 33 can't be legitimate input motions. The former just requires that you don't have HCB motions on the same character and the latter just means you have to admit that needlessly complex motions are not a "skill barrier".

What the fuck is the star? First time I've seen that.

I'm starting to think that maybe most people should just never try to play fighting games and leave them to the people who actually understands them (like me).

Because you idiot fuckers just complain and bitch and end up ruining shit for us.

It means you go back to neutral.

It's Elliot's rising palm.

Forward, neutral down+forward really fast. Kind of like doing a step-in but with less precision.

There is a 633 2 moron. Banishing flat

anything that can be ruined by people bitching was too fragile to have merit anyway

anything's a skill barrier if you're not used to it.

33 was atrocious on old playstation controllers, and impossible on sticks that didn't read diagonals. which happened all too often in American arcades. (note Mortal Kombat's inputs.)

>playing electrics on your first tekken game
Thats your first mistake. They're extremely advanced characters that take a lot to master but if you can master them you unlock a lot of options. They're fitting mascots for the series since its something you have to work up to.

Just play Paul or Asuka to start.

I'm not saying it doesn't fucking exist, i'm saying there is no reason for the DP to be so popular when there is a much better alternative.

Motions don't just exists "because" you retard. There are many reasons why motions exist, one of the main one is because they help to balance moves.

The traditional DP motion is inherently aggressive, because it's a forward motion. When you are doing a traditional DP motion, guess what? You aren't blocking. You're committing to your offensive buffer and leaving yourself open to being hit in neutral.

Then look at a character like SF4 Fei Long. His DP motion is the reverse of a traditional DP motion. This is because SF4 Fei is a defensive character. They've tuned his DP to be defensively strong. If I'm playing Fei Long in SF4 I can be so close to my opponent in neutral and I can still buffer my DP relatively safely, because the back motions mean I am blocking for most of the input. His DP is vertical as fuck as well, which is another way he's been balanced to be strong defensively. If Fei is right in your face you're not jumping, no matter how close he is to you.

Motions have nothing to do with being an execution barrier. 99% of singular inputs in all of fighting games aren't hard in the slightest. Things like tight links and spacing are what create execution barriers, not baby shit like doing a simple motion. Even the notorious preztel motion isn't that hard.

>can't draw a star with his stick
Faggot.

>Update
That would be neat actually

Execution barrier is definitely a thing, but you're right about them balancing out the characters. If Guile could sonic boom with a qcf+P then it would completely change his game around. He would probably be a shitty character, now that I think about it.

>one of the main one is because they help to balance moves
>means you have to admit that needlessly complex motions are not a "skill barrier"
I've seen many players do a full block string with perfect inputs and multiple 1f links, get in a hit, then end up dropping a combo to a fireball motion instead of a DP motion because how unnecessarily close the two are

>quarter circle forward
nope. it ends in down forward. not forward.

forward. neutral. down. down-forward.

ITT: noobs that don't want to learn

>the traditional DP motion is inherently aggressive
and 33 or 632 isn't?

>If Guile could sonic boom with a qcf+P then it would completely change his game around. He would probably be a shitty character, now that I think about it.

No, he wouldn't. Quite the opposite. Guile has the best fireballs in the games he is in frame-data wise BECAUSE they're charge. He is sacrificing his mobility to be able to have such amazing fireballs. If Guile could just boom whenever the fuck he wanted without charge he would be broken as shit.

I've got some good news for you friend. 33 is already a shortcut and a great one at that in street fighter, because you can do it while crouching giving you even more time to react to things before they hit you from the sky.

632 is just a janky input that would be a lot easier to buffer defensively thanks to it's ending.

632 would make a great reversal motion.

Mortal Kombat uses 412 (actually 42. MK uses 4 direction inputs)

>I agree OP this is needless.
no, it's not. it is game design.

if you didn't have complex inputs for special moves you would end overlapping inputs with regular moves and pokes while simply moving around. you don't want that.
it's also for balance, because such inputs, for such strong moves, have to have input that require 1f or more

The risk in deciding to do a difficult combo for the extra damage is part of the game. He understood that there was a chance he could fuck it up. Where do you draw the line, is walking and jumping too hard? Why are there 6 buttons, why not 2?

Some inputs are esoteric and they failed to stand the test of time, new games today don't use pretzels, triple half circles, and all kinds of other funky shit, because quarter circles and half circles and shoryukens are enough.

By the way, some games dohave moves done like 22, or 64, and the speed at which you can input that in any situation is part of the move's design. They're usually teleports or quick utility moves like a stance change.

Well no, because his flash kick is dragon punch or something you can do without a charge, he would be a character everyone uses for anti-air. Just like Sagat and Yun.

If I walk in with guard adv. and you dragon punch a flash kick I'll just have to remember that whereas if you charged it, you have the option for sonic boom and flash kick, which is pretty obvious.

>crouch dashes are hard
PATHETIC

>forward, then duck.

how is this hard?

If boom and flash kick were motions with their frame data you would never be able to beat Guile. You would never be able to get in. He would just keep throwing booms eternally and flash kicking you on reaction every time you tried to jump.

You don't understand how Guile is balanced. When Guile throws a boom he needs to do a forward motion. When he does his forward motion he loses his down charge and needs to get it back before he can flash kick. This wouldn't be the case if he was motions and he could just do his quick as fuck booms and bitch slap you out of the sky every time you tried to do anything about it.

>Still can't do the pretzel motion

You know this isn't SF2 where your options are much more restricted?

WEAK

>down-back, half-circle back, down-foward

ezpztbqhwy senpai

at least the names appropriate

Guile's whole game is being able to block while using specials. He's designed around it. If you have to qcf, you let go of block which leaves you marginally more open than just hitting forward and punch. The amount of time it would take for you to do a boom on reaction and follow up is almost 500ms wider than it would be to hit forward and punch.

If I throw you, meaty roundhouse wakeup, and go for another throw, I'd be able to do it because you have to qcf+P instead of hit forward+P. The difference is that big.

It applies to every game guile is in. You don't understand the fundamental concepts behind fighting guile.

If Guile walks towards you then he doesn't have either charge so you don't have to worry about boom or flash-kick. If Guile is walking backwards he has back charge but not down charge. If Guile is just crouching there like an asshole he has both charges etc...

You need to apply this to everything Guile can do, because he has a lot of things, such as command normals, that will leave him with one charge, the other or neither. You need to know this shit if you ever want to stand a chance of beating a good guile.

If Guile was motion these weaknesses wouldn't exist. he could walk you into a corner with booms and just flash kick you on reaction, even while walking forward, every time you tried to jump the booms. He could do all sorts of dumb shit that would make him an almost unbeatable character if he was motions in every game he is in SF2, in SF4 and in SF5.

Literally just wiggle around like a retard.

>being this casual
you seem like, kind of like a noob

That's not possible.

You don't understand the philosophy behind how Guile is balanced. Guile's moves weren't made charge to make him defensively stronger. Guile's moves are charge because they'd be too strong otherwise.

It looks kind of possible

Even if I don't understand your inability to help me is kind of only making my argument sound more reasonable.

Oh my god, that name. Are you saucedeadpan or whatever the fuck it was?

It all makes so much sense now.

Is there something you want to squabble about beyond the guile argument or should I leave

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Hi

I need to pay more attention to the name field. If I had known who I was talking to this whole time I wouldn't have even bothered.

Don't worry my friend, I will leave.

Its incredibly easy. Consistently doing an EWGF in a match, now that's hard.

Okay because I was going to deliver a webm explaining how qcf is a motion that takes time and verifies my point about it making Guile a shitty character by context.

Being able to dragon punch a flash kick is no different than being able to shoryu. Just because it has more invuln frames or comes out faster doesn't make it unblockable or somehow impossible to read. He would be just as bad as any other anti-air character, it's a wonder people don't get up in arms about him being so slow in the first place, next to Nash in SFV there are literally no charge characters with speed like his, and the other charge characters have motion specials like Vega and Bison, and they get opened up a lot on counter. It would be a nice thought but the numbers just don't add up. He would be worse, not better.

guys, i seem to struggle a lot trying to do down, down-forward, forward. i always do down, forward

help a shitter out

probably the worst part about fighting games is that they don't even tell you what the symbols mean

Literally took like 15 seconds to master it
kys faggot

No thanks, I don't want to talk to someone about fighting games when they don't even understand what something as simple as priority is.

Why don't fighting games have 1 button for 1 move?

>if i show this image of clear incensed intellectual poverty it will sync up well with the current arguments!

Some games do, but they're few and far between.

Like shoryukens? Rising thunder had stuff like that but it bombed hard.

Retard. QCF still works for it i've not found a game that doesn't allow the input.

No matter how simple fighting game get, people just want to randomly mash buttons and do cool stuff

Literally what is the fucking point of this, how does this stupid input improve the game in any way

Marvel has an easy mode but it's kind of shit.

The best one was Easy Operation mode in CVS2. You could do full supers with just a direction and a button. I had a blast playing with it when I was younger.

it punishes ivy fags

its not stupid. you get close to your opponent and hit him with a low. its very useful

Literally just an srk but in tekken notation

how do i shot adoket

>it's the DP motion but you go neutral first before going down
I'd take dozens of commands like this over the shit down down punch motion that ArcSys and Capcom are jerking off to all of a sudden.

incorrect, interpreters seldom acknowledge half directional inputs
they interpret simultaneous directional inputs

down-forward (3) is not the same as down+forward (2+6) to the interpreter
the input requirement ends when 6 begins, not when 2 ends

So play a character that doesn't rely on that.

nigga how the fuck do I do a star motion

its way hard first you gotta input a DOWN motion then a second motion which is DOWN FORWARD into a third motion being FORWARD then they have the gall to make you do a fourth input being one of the hand buttons
if your an octopus and some how double the motion and somehow press all three hand buttons you can do a megadoken but ive never been able to pull it off

Is Tekken the only fighting game where the face of the game is way more difficult than most other characters? Ryu, Scorpion, Sol, Ragna, etc. are all pretty straightforward for the most part.

Simple, you just draw a star with the joystick.

>forward,hold down forward
>it works
Whatever

Virtua Fighter's Akira Yuki arguably more execution based.

Isn't that the reason they tried to make Lars the face in 6?

Ye doing a regular dp works on pad.

roll your thumb, you d-pad using fuck

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The practice mode has an extra screen explaining all the symbols. Nice try tho.

You already go neutral by default in a DP motion, this is just a different representation of the same input.

why do i always see you in fighting game threads you disgusting nigger despite the fact that you very clearly don't know SHIT

about fighting games

>There are people that can't easily pull Ancient Talisman during a match let alone a fucking Shoryuken
How do you manage to walk and breathe at the same time?

Like Rising Thunder you mean?
>Casuals say that the only thing pros got is execution
>Rising Thunder releases
>Casuals get shat on by pros because they have better fundamentals than their scrub asses
>Game bombs because it's shit to boot
kek'd

How are you supposed to read that?

Top line then bottom line or zigzag up and down?

>genZ si incompetent they can't do something any 8 year olf could do in the 90's
Let's face it, you never liked gaming, just the idea of it, distorted by Redddit and Gaf comunity shills

It's a pentagram, so it has 4 different ways to do it starting either from up then "drawing" the pentagram from the right or left side, or starting from the bottom for a reverse pentagram, all do the same thing.

Yeah I was just acknowledging how easy it is to do. It's retarded to me how people still find that command "complex."

WHY ARE FIGHTING GAMES SO HARD
I PICKED THE EASIEST FUCKUNG UNGA CHARACTER AND I STILL FUCK UP EXECUTION
WHY DOES DRAGUNOV HAVE A FF2? I WANT FFF2 EVERY TIME YOU STUPID GOPNIK

Just press back, lol.

What is the secret to doing electric wind god fist consistently?

Practice. There is no secret.

Stop playing Mishimas

I did, I went from Heihachi to Paul
I can actually win matches now

Heihachi is really really cool, but playing Mishimas is not worth the hours of gameplay it takes to master the EWGF and wavedashing

This memeshimas are a waste of time when you can just play jack or some shit