>“Do you want the honest truth? This machine is not so strong as you think. This is like a five-year-old PC. If consoles were as powerful as PCs are today, you would see all different games. Most of the work developers put out there is to make them work on consoles.”
Do you agree Sup Forums? Are consoles holding back gamning?
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I dont care, I dont want to download a 100 gb game
Consoles are as much a problem as guns are.
If devs and publishers would makes games for PC only they wouldn't have to whine about asinine shit like this.
Nope.
Sounds like this guy is making excuses.
A lot of games are starting to come with an option to download the extra 50GB of textures or not. Won't be a problem in future.
Yes, obviously, but I think the worst thing is that devs don't use the console's advantage of unified hardware to make the games run stable, but rather pursue something that would only make sense on better hardware - they try to make the games look better.
Honestly though, who the fuck cares about 4k or shit like that? If games had stable framerates I would be content.
If you think reaching out to much larger audience is a bad thing, then yes.
More money in the industry means more games are produced with very high budgets, but all these games are made for uncultured normie scum.
Yes, goy. Spend your money on a new rig every year. Graphics are all that matter, so how about a new graphics card.
Yes and no.
PC's have the potential to be more powerful than a console, but like 80-90% of PC players game on toasters. Which is why games such as LoL and DOTA2 are so massive. Consoles raise the bar by bringing a more powerful system to the average joe, meaning higher production values for more demanding games.
The bottleneck really isn't consoles, it's the cost of high-end hardware and the cost of utilizing said hardware.
Think about what you're saying retard.
It's a double edged sword. Great games with awesome graphics and huge production value need insane budgets. In order to get an insane budget you have to sell a shit ton. In order to sell a shit ton you need to have affordable hardware.
Sure they could make a PS4 ultra pro with crazy specs and have it cost 2k. Who the hell would but it then? No one is who.
These niggers can make their game PC exclusive if that were true.However they won't do that because they know console will make up 80% of their total sales. What is really holding you back?
A Way Out?
That shit looks straight up last gen. What the hell is it holding back?
>Are consoles holding back gamning?
Does the sun still rise in the east?
>Are consoles holding back gamning?
No just lazy devs i mean if PC is more powerful than the three current systems available then why almost all their games look like they belong on SNES?
this is what the world would be like if consoles werent holding us back
Let's answer seriously.
Right now, the "main" games are
- Downgraded 3D AAA
- 2D indies
- That "style is mightier than quality" artsy game
Sure, if games where developed for PC, there wouldn't be downgrades. But... it's only a 33%. And I'm being generous.
Why do I want a beefy machine in order to play those games? Do I really need it?
Why should I buy a PS4 Pro, xbox one x or a new PC to play undertale? Or to play destiny 2 at 30 fps?
Consoles are literally the only thing allowing games like this to still be made, without them the market would be MOBAs, MMOs, and pixel shit clogging up PC, with everything else being exclusive to mobiles
And if he wants to optimise for PC, go right ahead. Nothing stopping him from making a build designed for the highest performance PCs, and then a low performance build for consoles and the majority of PC owners
tl;dr: guy is full of shit
Yeah what retards don't understand is that if there were no consoles there would be no AAA games.
PC sales don't mean jack shit. All profits are made with console sales. Without sales no one would have the budgets required to make games with amazing graphics.
>"consoles are holding gaming back"
>every PC exclusive game is either pixeled 2D indieshit garbage or early access open world with zombies
What did they mean by this?
"A Way Out is a new game from EA and this game is made by the same developer that was responsible for the brothers which is kind of like co-op kind of game, an indie game that is pretty much ever available on PS4, Xbox and PC as well. Now obviously the new game A Way Out is pretty interesting as well. It’s going to be a co-op based as well. It’s obviously still an indie game so, it’s not like a huge AAA title and but this game looks really interesting. And obviously that got some media attention until the developers are kind of in the spotlight right now."
"This is another statement that kind of fits in into the hole apparently kind of narrative, now obviously we knew that the both Xbox One and PS4 and specially Xbox One, is actually kind of old tech. Basically even at the launch because both consoles launched at the end of 2013 and both consoles actually used the same technology in terms of CPU and GPU. Although the PS4 actually comes with a 50% more powerful GPU, i.e: more shaders and also more faster memory."
>SOMEBODY WAS PAID TO WRITE THIS
this is what the world would be like if consoles werent holding us back.
C A N ' T K E T C H U P
Graphics don't matter. I still play ps2 games.
Holding what back exactly? RPG maker games or indie sprite shit?
nobody gives a shit about graphics in lieu of a really great all around game though. devs these days focus on the graphics as a major selling point when all they really need is for it to be passable
I only care about content and a stable 60+ frame rate.
the only thing console plebs are good for is being idiots with their money
>holding back gaming
There's absolutely nothing stopping developers from making PC exclusive games.
Pirates and no sales.
So consumers are holding back games, gotcha.
Yeah because the guys who takes the most advantage of the console(ND, Guerilla, Santa Monica, and other first part studios) would rather develop for the PC. Fuck off.
>Are consoles holding back gamning
yes, absolutely. its inarguable. anyone who says otherwise is only doing so because of their bias for consoles or against pc.
How does that stop them from releasing games for PC?
Are you fucking retarded?
i'm surprised by that shortsighted statement. i expected a developer to know a bit more about consumers behavior and the market.
also that whole text was shitty written
>make your game PC exclusive
>make requirements top of the line hardware
>only 5% of people buy it because 90% of people can't play it
>the other 5% pirate it because fuck you
solid plan desu
Interesting as his team is making PS3 graphics while much better looking games are on even the normal PS4.
Quite literally the dumbest thing i have ever seen a developer say.
Since most of what passes for "advanced graphics" nowadays is lazy photogrammetry shit (literally using photos for 3D models,) who cares if draw distances or a few more people in a crowd make it to games. Literally the only thing that affects gameplay is framerate, but that only matters in competitive games. Any serious competitive person is optimizing for framerate, now draw distance or shit like that. CounterStrike looks like ass and is still the best competitive FPS out there.
Until developers actually start making imaginative, fully interactive environments, the debate is irrelevant. More foliage means nothing to me.
>he thinks xbone x will sell
>he thinks 60 million userbase will just dump their console overnight for a console with no exclusives and games they already got
Seriously. Think about your top 10 games of all time. How many came out in the last 5 years?
If consoles never got any more powerful than they are now, but developers instead became on average more talented and more creative, do you think that would lead to a worse future for gaming than the other way around?
Gaming has never required a massive amount of power.
Fucking this.
This is why i HATE multiplatform games. They are almost ALWAYS worse.
(You)
Oh yea, Dota, CSGO, WoW and undertale have AMAZING graphics, that only high end rig can run.
>anyone who says otherwise is only doing so because of their bias
oh the fucking irony, you retard kek
....Holding us back from what?
The fact that the most successful PC games all have 2007 tier graphics and can run on a toaster tells you all you need to know.
Cutting edge technology and powerful hardware is inversely correlated with success
Why is he complaining about the PS4 Pro when he's got the PS4 and Xbox One to worry about?
enjoy your blurry textures and cinematic 30 frames per second
Holding back what exactly though?
Graphics are not the issue anymore. It's about making an interesting game.
People with poor builds are. If everyone bought a GTX 1080 or an AMD equivalent there would be a bigger market for high end games.
Why develop for 3% or whatever was the amount of people with very powerful PCs? It's a waste of money.
I guess you can point at Crysis for pushing the standards but companies don't see the positive of assuming a big risk with a PC exclusive benchmark-tier new game.
(You)
>he cant afford more hard drives
Poorfags cucked again
obviously
Consoles have been holding back gaming since the ps3/360/wii era, which is why you'll notice a massive drop in quality games around that generation. This is indisputed fact. How a company can sell a console with 5GB of usable memory, total, is laughable.
He's talking about CPU power. While people are right that PC "gamers" have really shit tier PC's any desktop user will have a more powerful CPU by default. Sadly not even PC games make use of this power.
I agree and disagree. On the one hand, yes, games would have a whole lot more freedom to implement interesting systems if they didn't have such weak CPUs (notice I didn't say GPU/video card). Consoles have always had extremely delicate CPUs for the most part.
But his argument is also kind of a cop out. If dev studios want to make great games, then make them. You don't need it to be the prettiest thing ever, nor do you need the most complex AI man has ever seen to make great games. Keep in mind, if you are a programmer (or have a team of them) you have to realize the raw level of creative power that you have at your disposal. Assuming they understand how to properly compress things and optimize their engines/games then the sky is quite literally the limit as to what you can do.
Most of the time, development of assets and animations take far less time than the programming aspect. So developing a game and timing according to programming constraints literally means they could do almost anything they wanted to with a game and it's systems. Just the raw levels of control and interesting features we see in game mods (which have WAAAAY more hurdles to get through) is astounding. Some mods add entirely new features and even change the gameplay entirely. And this guy is trying to sell people on the idea that they don't have enough? This is a first world problem if I ever saw one.
No, seriously. If they make games for consoles because they want more money then they're holding themselves back and should shut the fuck up. If consoles didn't exist they would just make games for smartphones or optimized for low tier PCs, because the PC enthusiast market clearly isn't big enough to support them.
And Crysis 3 was a failure for PC as well : Mid rig still struggle with crysis 3 on high today.
PC doesn't have Sony or Microsoft to invest in companies with the best developers around like Naughty Dog to develop games exclusive to a platformat that nobody owns.
PC is a really odd platform to develop games for
The CPU is a non issue considering these retard devs have barely figured out how to use more than 2 cores like 7 years after 4 cores came out.
>PC player whines consoles are holding back games that wouldn't exist without consoles
>Lurking Neogaf
He's talking about the OG PS4, and no shit, the internal spec is like five years old.
Even if there were more powerful PCs on the market, it would still mbe a waste of money and resources, budgets are golding games bcak
Graphics don't matter, gameplay does
And about graphics themselves, the PS4 is completely fine
Games like GTA 5, Uncharted 4, Horizon zero dawn can all run on it
So it's fine
It doesn't matter, only a PC snob would care
>which is why you'll notice a massive drop in quality games around that generation.
Didnt that generation gave us Demon Souls, SMG, etc. you know critically and commercial successes?
We are going to see that with Star citizen. Look at the budget it has.
>boring realistic foliage from photos
>desirable
I'll take pic related over your high definition boring trees any day
Of course he's right. Consoles are outdated hardware before they even come out. But console tards won't pay for good hardware, even though they will pay for online.
Holding back from what? Only a no talent shit tier dev would think graphics were ever an issue to making a good game.
that's only because you can't run it
The issue is the fact that consoles have very low clock speeds for whatever reason. No one cares about power consumption and there's nothing wrong in increasing the console's size for cooling cuz all people care about is graphics.
Imagine a console with an i5 running at 4GHz.
>dat 2d sprite cloud.
LMAO looks like a jpg background for a counter strike map.
this
On consoles they have no choice but to use 3 or more cores. The clock speed and inefficiencies of the CPUs used on consoles simply don't allow for 1 or 2 cores to run these games.
>Graphics don't matter, gameplay does
Tell that to the millions of normies
Lies Consoles are the best ever and graphics on them are ht best ever.
It takes a 5000$ gaming PC to get graphics as good.
>the best techniques were created on toasters / old gen consoles
>devs had to put through the shit hardware to be able to render levels in crash bandicoot, mario 64 etc
consoles aren't the problem, publishers who push devs to release unoptimized shit are, indie devs too, with flash like games who can barely run on laptops
>consoles are holding pc back
no, AAA multiplats are holding PC back.
nobody has the spine to make PC games anymore, it's not the existance of consoles that is the problem, it's game devs companies.
Critics are worthless, and consumers are morons.
Galaxy was worse than sunshine and 64.
Souls is worse than armored core.
I can't even remember the last time I played a newly released game on my PC. Maybe 7 years ago?
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What Skyrim mods
*also on PS4
>I want amazing graphics that require an incredibly high-budget
>also only 1% of gamers will be able to run the game
you're a genius. You should pitch this idea to some publishers.
I don't think it matters how many cores they use. Not even naughty dog managed to make U4 run at 60fps. FF15 runs around 45fps, Crackdown 3 is confirmed 30fps. Crash is fucking 30fps.
These are all cpu bottlenecks and I doubt more cores would fix anything.
Why not reduce the number of cores and increase the frequency?
this
>Ys
>Akiba's Trip
>Sword Art Online
>God Eater 2
>Samurai Warriors: Sanada Maru
>Super Robot Wars OG
all budget jap titles better than western shit
This developer should shut up
Not to mention bigger budget games (that are considered low budget by western standards) such as Yakuza, Nier and Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2
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Both consoles and PC are fucked. Consoles have generic "safe" AAA garbage. PC is flooded with greenlit early access trash.
REMINDER
Don't take PCfags "consoles are holding us back" bullshit seriously until they stop making hits out of pixel garbage games.
Who cares? I think the PS4 and the people who paid for it are both retarded but both are miles ahead of Lisa Allford, the "author" of that article, who's mastery of written English is entirely dogshit. Dogshit. Also, fuck you op, ARCHIVE YOUR FUCKING CLICKBAIT.
>consoles are holding back PC
TOTALLY! Piracy is non existant and everyone on PC has a 4K 60 FPS capable rig! Not to mention that we have the largest playerbase like ever, the majority totally aren't playing the popular toaster games like Dota 2!
In reality, PC is holding PC back. Want to know why devs won't make graphical exclusive masterpieces on PC? There's a very small group that could truly run it. Shit, look at the garbage rigs this board has in their spec threads. Consoles are pushing their hardware to the limit because everyone has the same hardware, on PC, not everyone has a monster rig, so in turn your flooded with pixel trash. Even if consoles went out of business today, I am willing to bet graphics would not change drastically in the next 5 years. That's the benefit and curse of PC, you're free to play with a rig that struggles on 1080p 60FPS for modern games if you want.
>inb4 truggered Sup Forumsedditor calls me a sonygro or some shit despite me having an ACTUAL powerful gaming PC
This kind of comment is sooooo fucking dumb, especially on this gen : PC players are getting highest def and highest framerate. Therefore they don't "loose" anything in terms of graphics.
>Im smarter than everyone else and i have shit opinions: the post
The costs of AAA gaming are so high they can't risk making anything that isn't maximum normie appeal which is why console gaming is shit.
And who exactly is forcing him to release his game on PS4?
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stock unreal engine textures full of nothing
probably another demo or walking simulator
I can find at least 30 videos of Unreal Engine 4 10 minute demo shit made by 16 year old that looks better than 99,9% of PS4 games
wow um you are like sooooooooooooo underage girlfriend.
You think people would be more willing to purchase more expensive consoles (and therein more powerful) if they were by default with payment plans just like $800 phones and shit are?