Second most popular mmo on the market

>Second most popular mmo on the market
>free
>Constant amazing updates
>Gave fans of the previous game exactly that they wanted like ability to jump and swim
>Great skill based gameplay
>Interesting lore and ingame story that forces you to face many real life important problems
>Races feel different and even same classes get different bonuses
>10/10 exploration part of the game with amazing puzzles
So, why Sup Forums hates Guild Wars 2?

/NOTJAPANESE/

Yeah but is it fun?

Because I payed full price, and a few months later they gave it to everyone for free, and all I got was a ficking character slot.

>literal SJW story about LE POWER OF QUEER POC LOVE xDD
>cash shop
>no endgame
>PvP is an incoherent zerg clusterfuck
>PvE events are a joke

I put 400 hours in this shit and regret every minute of it.

No end game.

/thread.

the only thing I enjoyed was the jumping puzzles. everything else was dogshit.

>Second most popular mmo on the market
It's not even third.

>Game isn't themepark that holds your hand and tells you that to do
>IT DOESN'T HAS ENDGAME111
Literally cancer that killed genre

user, GW2 is what the definition of theme park is.

>second most popular MMO on the market
That's FFXIV though
Also, it maimed Guild Wars' appeal and story. The lead writer didn't even play GW1 and shoved her self insert evil plant girl into story.
And Living Story is the most Jewish thing I've ever seen
Fuck GW2 and fuck its fans
It doesn't excuse the excessive lack of content

Everyone makes this same argument, including ffxiv so who cares at this point.

It's a dead genre outside of wow anyway.

>gave fans of the previous game exactly that they wanted like ability to jump and swim
this is a fucking bait post

It's not though.

>GW2
>Game isn't themepark that holds your hand and tells you that to do

All you do is:

>fractals
>raids
>same dungeons since launch (worse rewards btw)
>same pvp maps, 1 new mode :)
>dress up doll
>grind for tons of mats for glowing effects

so unique, so innovative

i think you mean ESO

>payed

You're a fucking idiot.

that's not wrong? you fucking slug

ffxiv had over 5 million subs before the expac, now probably has even more with SB out. Its potentially the most popular mmo globally, even tho its not that popular in the west it makes up with actually having a japanese playerbase and being on ps4/3

It would be perfectly fine to have a more open-ended "endgame" if any of the systems in GW2 were worth a fuck. Literally all the professions are useless once you hit max level because the highest-tier gear can't be crafted. Waypoints and tiny maps completely remove any sense of exploration so that's out the window, Fractals are dogshit, GvG and Guild systems are barely a thing, etc. You can';t even just roam around experimenting withyour character because there are like 4 total builds for class and most of the differences are just %buffs and minor elemental damage that's barely noticeable.

>Oh we promise we won't make a gear treadmill as they proceeded to release fractals

Left and never came back.

5 million total subs, not concurrent.

>Interesting ingame story
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>DFO anywhere near top 10
not falling for it

You forget
>nothing like gw1
>sjw shit
>terrible story
>shit system with skills bounded to weapons

I don't normally jump on the SJW boogeyman but it actually applies here. They promised an amazing story but it's just gender-fluid plant people crying about their feelings.
They also took out what made the first game so great and turned it into not-WoW

whats your point? gw isnt even on the list and ffxiv is also a multiplat and half of its sales/subs are shared across platforms

>Constant amazing updates

like?

Classic blunder.

>Not global pvp
>Your get different skills with different weapons

its shit

You need to be 18 or older to post here annon

>mfw that whole post

are you retarded? no game has 5 million players online at the same time. Wow had 5 million total subs before legion too.

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>"ffxiv is no2!"
>shown to not be
>"so?, gw2 isn't on there either!"

Point is your game is weeabo trash and has a tiny playerbase, you shill it all day and it doesn't do anything to help it's popularity other than create spam.

Are you? I specifically pointed that out to be the case.

heh, nothin personell kid

Let's use OP's shitty bait thread for actual discussion. You are given the resources to make a Not-Guild Wars game. What do you change up from the Guild Wars 1 formula?

is this bait

Because it's shit /thread

>Dungeon fighter online
>292m

This has to be bullshit.

because of the sjw crap that they put in it after release

Whats crossfire?

...

Salads were social justice bullshit as well, it just didn't get put in the spotlight as much. If you do a certain salad racial quest, it's this dumb knight character picking on salads who want each other's cucumbers.

why point out then? its fucking obvious

The grind is fucking insane too
>Grind mats for a billion years
>Finally craft the weapon of your dreams
>It's slightly better than the shittiest weapon you can find on the market for 1g
I don't know why I bothered with that game for so long

It's "paid", you mongoloid.

For clarification.

It literally is though, just with most new content being zerg map events

depends on country, we spell it paid in straya but payed is correct in other places

that's why i'm not even going to bother with leggy armor, on top of it looking like shite.

are you mentally handicapped?
your previous chart was shit since ffxiv is a fuckin multillat, and wow was the only mmorpg on the list you fucktard

>MMOs
>Dota
>LoL
>Crossfire
>That whole list.

I don't think you understand. This is one of the times it it BLATANT SJW shit. They shit on or ignored the lore and characters from the original game and focused hard on a team of people folks barely cared about, and then ditched THEM for an SJW crew of LGBT superfriends and doubled down on paid story content following the exploits of an insufferable SO SILLY evil plant steam punk bitch. When the game launched I actually liked the ideas and designs around the new Sylvari race not previously in the lore, but they fucked that up double hard and put the spotlight on them for most of the game. A lot of Sylvari stuff glosses over their more interesting traits and highlights fantasy politically progressive busllshit everywhere. I'm not even particularly political or care about what other people like or who they want to fuck, but jesus I can tell when the writers have a slant and want to hammer home agendas and don't have the skill to make it interesting or nuanced.

Tldr;
It isn't ENTIRELY SJW but it is extremely heavy handed and when it's there it reeks of ham

Nice non-sequiter, moron.

>"no, nOOOO my game is the best because i say so1"

hahah stay mad fanboy your game is in the shitter

I like how nothing of what they focused on had anything to do with gw1.

>Interesting lore and ingame story that forces you to face many real life important problems

>Still saying that when Heart of Thorns added grindy Raid bullshit to the game

>Still saying that when Fractals also added grindy bullshit to the game

KEK

top 3 mmorpg
WOW
Lineage 1
Blade and soul

I almost have 10k hours logged.

ok

>Counting anything but western market
>Posting charts that take China and Korea into account

The gook market is completely and utterly fucking irrelevant unless you are as a matter of fact a slant eyed fuck living in gookland. Holy fuckballs you niggers, let me give you an example. Motherfucking Aion. That game is more popular in the east than WoW has ever been on the eastern market and has been so consistently since it released. But it's long long dead and forgotten thrice over in the west. And there's more you fucking scum, like Lineage 1. Ain't been nobody in the west has touched that aged piece of shit in fucking decades and it still the most played MMO in Korea.

Now, to top it off. The MMO market in the west is to be completely honest, dead. as. fuck.

Between WoW, FFXIV and GW2 there's no fucking MMO left in the west that can be said to have an active playerbase. And even those two that aren't WoW are cutting it real close to being bunched up with the hordes of other dead MMOs that experienced an activity boom at their launch than died horribly and was forgotten within months.

but does it have housing?

>Second most popular MMO on the market
>So popular that's it,s revenues are falling like a rock
hummm

>MFW the new story arc turned the human gods into Saturday morning vilains

>MFW Charrs are supposed to be good guys

ffxiv launched in china and korea, it just flopped like a wet noddle there

the lists are comparing like with like since they have all launched in gook lands and the west, ffxiv is a flop worldwide

What do you expect? I'm pretty sure none of them actually played that game and just latched onto the IP like a bloated parasite, corrupting it from within and wearing its skin like a grotesque abomination. Why would they give a fuck about a game they've never played and whose players are the minority among the hordes of dipshits who throw shekels at their garbage cosmetic shop?

Politics is honestly the least of gw2 problems. The fat chick they hired can't write characters for shit, her understanding on how people work is derived from naruto and yaoi fics.

They actually fired the fat SJW hambeast that wrote the most offending pieces of lore in GW2. It's pretty funny, both of the hambeast's assistant writers came out as trans later on.

They've been winging it with temp lore writers since until recently when they hired some guy who's been managing the lore of Magic the Gathering.

>Constant amazing updates
>Great skill based gameplay
>interesting lore

Top kek

>PvP is incoherent zerg clusterfuck
It's like 5vs5. It's far from clusterfuck. WvW and major PvE events on the other hand...

So? People have more hours clocked in dota/league and they're shit games. GW2 is a trash game that failed to the point it went f2p. I quit after 3 months and never looked back.

When i said its not even thrid, i was talking about the west.

>shill the game all day long on Sup Forums
>shilling the game is your life, don't even play the game
>shilling has no impact, still a flop
>pretend it's no.2
>it's not
>show it's not
>u get buttmad
I'm sorry user, maybe you should get a life and stop wasting it doing free marketing for a game that has flopped?

In Mongolia maybe.
Please be bait.

>Gave fans of the previous game exactly that they wanted like ability to jump and swim
oh yeah boy I sure like swimming and jumping after you took away everything I liked about the original

>no white mantle until recently(and it's not very good too)
>no charr/human feuds other than "kill those bad factions"
>no eotn
>no flame legion campaign
>no glint, no dwarves, no margonites
>no skill builds
>no underworld/fissure of woe
>no elona, cantha, crystal desert only in expansion
>no hard mode, no vanquishing, no missions
>no competetivess like jade quarry/fort aspenwood
>no memorable, well crafted villlans and npc
>NO CHIBI GWEN
>NO KILROY

there will be a time that earth will be engulfed in flames of expandin sun after it had exhausted it's hydrogen supply, burning the globe to a crisp, and i will still be mad. i will never be not mad about gw2.

Annon I don't think you read a single thing of what that guy posted. He basically said gw2 is just about in the grave.

people actually wanted swimming?

>blade and soul that high
>FFXIV not on there
I fucking hate FFXIV but even I know how popular it is with retards. Wasn't early january in 2016 when FFXIV is ded because the devs when on a 9 month vacation or some shit? Needs to be updated with this year's data.

I did, but not at the price that was paid for it.

That says a lot about MMOs in general.

Underwater figthing is always fucking balls. It didn't work in WoW and it doesn't work in gw2.

FFXIV is dead, the shills are pretending by spamming user. It's all smoke and mirrors, which is why Square never show off about sub numbers of sales figures for their expansion but do about actually successful games.

Why do you think they are going over the top with their cash shop in a subscription game?

Dungeon fighter has one of the biggest population of whales out of any game out there.

Players have done activity scrapes of lodestone, it has 200k players for na, eu and japan combined.

It's nowhere near as big as they pretend it is.

During 3.0 maybe, but the current estimates are around 600k

The reason why it didn't work in GW2 was because going underwater disabled a good handful of your skills and you had to use a shitty underwater weapon with even shittier skills. People actively avoid going underwater because it fucks with their build and they have to waste money or time getting a weapon they won't even use 99% of the time.

What are activity scrapes? When I played during my single month of autisming it before burning out from the horrific design of gating the newest expansion behind 150 hours of fetch quests I never touched lodestone despite getting 8 level 60's and every single class level 30, even crafting.

>No dwarws
They fucking died out in the GWEN, why would you want it to be retconed and force them into game, piece of shit

236k active characters (not even subs) as of 2016

>Players have done activity scrapes of lodestone
This is percentage of ACTIVE people who finished WoD main story back then
Now tell me why do you sure that every ACTIVE player of ARR ALREADY finished 100 hours long MSQ and didn't just farmed raid and dungeons after finishing 3.0

464k actually.

It's does good for exploration. Call me casual, but the main reason I bother playing the game is the above average sense of exploration. Other being social contacts and having something to grind while sitening to audiobooks. The PvP doesn't seem too bad, but I don't have the concentration of getting into the meta of any MMORPG so I'd rather go and just play some old school shooter if I want competitive multiplayer.

My major complaint about the game so far is that there really aren't that many class skill slots. I think it would be a lot better if like two of the weapon skills could be used for class skills as well, or you'd have one skillset switch similarly to how the weapons work.

Characters, not subs and again I said 2016.
Give it a month when everyone completes the new expansion and they will drop like a stone again.

Also 464k (characters) on a game that lets you make multiple (characters) for free on one sub and that includes a region (japan) that most mmorpg titles don't even run in isn't good.

Multiple characters in xiv is pointless since you'd have to complete the story quests on every single one of them. However you can level all of the jobs and classes on a single character.

People argue that you shouldn't have more skill slots and skills because it would be harder to balance, but the meta as it is is completely strangled and most classes in PvP only have one viable build. MOBAs have better options for building characters than GW2 does. Attempting to deviate from the meta gets you consistently plowed. The skill ceiling for PvP is also excessively low save for one or two classes. The game gears itself towards spamming your abilities because most classes don't have to manage resources at all. It's been confirmed that a good handful of players in the top 10 of this pvp season rigged their games and bribed people to get there.

Overall, it's a frustrating, unsatisfactory experience which doesn't reward skill and is largely an incomprehensible mess of particles and red circles.
t. rank 118 dragon

The low numbers also explains why Square never give subscriber numbers or sales numbers of expansions.

Feel free to link me to the tweet from square showing off about selling lots of copies of the latest shitty expansion. I guarantee you it didn't even sell 300k copies worldwide

They won't because it gives an indication of how low their players numbers really are.