Here's the real problem with Overwatch: Compared to TF2, Overwatch has less personality spread across many, MANY more characters. Don't believe me? Check this out:
Yeah but OW has cute girls and cute girls are the only reason to play video games.
Christopher Fisher
Overwatch also has Zarya.
Austin Williams
Yeah, so? I only care about the cute girls.
Blake Turner
>western games >cute girls
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Ryan Smith
I still play TF2 to this day because Sniper is just so god damn fun both as a class and a character.
Parker Miller
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Elijah Wright
I play OW for Zenyatta. He's a much better support than Medic since you can do everything at once and he has good offense. I actually end up in a pretty relaxed state playing him, it's great.
Landon Davis
>I actually end up in a pretty relaxed state playing him, I guess you could say you ... experience tranquility
David Parker
You should try playing him while listening to monk chanting. It legit improved my ability with him, after getting into it I was way more accurate and ended up on fire a ton. I tried it to fuck around but it works.
Nicholas Watson
>Being too scrub to use the class with the highest dps.
Adam Cook
You're seeing them at face value, just through the game. You need to spend the time in understanding the lore and backstory of the characters to understand their personality.
The same thing works for the TF2 characters. You don't really have a firm grasp of their personality until you watch the "Meet The" videos or read the comics. Like, the Sniper never brought up his whole "personality" shtick in in-game voicelines at the time, it's with the Meet The Sniper vid that it really became aparent.
Xavier Gomez
>Like, the Sniper never brought up his whole "personality"
Meant "professional"
Lincoln Ward
>tfw only use the machinegun secondary because i really, really like it's taunt GAWD SAVE THE QUEEN YEEEAAAAAAAH
Carson Rogers
>the Sniper never brought up his whole "professional" shtick in in-game voicelines at the time Yes he does. You really get the feeling he's just doing a job he enjoys.
Landon Collins
Once you understand that TF2 classes were made to be original, distinct characters, and that Overwatch classes were made to appeal to as many demographics as possible to generate maximum profit for Activison-Blizzard, then you will be free
Jace Smith
DPS is the least interesting of the trinity. Zenyatta has a relatively high skill cap since you're doing everything at once, and having that kind of presence on the game while throwing out tranquil life lessons is awesome. I'm already into philosophical Taoism, so while he's modelled on Zen Buddhism and is mostly a shallow character he's still one of the most interesting FPS characters to me.
Carter Gonzalez
>You really get the feeling he's just doing a job he enjoys.
Here. Spend the time to find some voice lines that convey that.
Colton Campbell
The desire for money isn't inherently bad. Everything you're using now is a result of somebody wanting money/success. Jeff and the team are obviously passionate about the game, even if Blizzard itself are in it purely for greed.
Joseph Hughes
It's not the lines, it's the tone of voice you literal autist.
Hunter Parker
His tone of voice gives it away too. How can you say he doesn't convey love for his work when most of his lines are taunting how good he just killed you? In fact there isn't a single merc that doesn't enjoy what they do, they each one just conveys it different.
John Hernandez
Okay, then say that you started the game fresh from day one, without watching or reading the comics.
How are you supposed to know their personality from just the voice lines and """tone"""?
You bring up that Soldier has a "deluded" personality, but if you never watched his video, you could also interpret his character as being another war-hungry soldierguy just from his voice lines and """tone""", you don't really gain that dimension of him being deluded until you watch his video.
Concrete purpose > Abstract "feelings"
Isaiah Richardson
He's an incredibly shallow character. Do you really think he's unique in enjoying shooting people? Has that never been done before in an FPS? OW characters aren't crazy deep but TF2 fans are crazy. The characters have little to no personality ingame, and even then their character is shallow enough to be summed up completely in a minute-long "comedic" skit each. Nostalgia blinds your judgement.
Levi Bennett
I think adding female characters to the game was a mistake. They don't have the "spark" that guys do.
Cooper Cruz
It is bad when it gets in the way of quality. As monetizing becomes more viable, the mentality goes from "make money by making the best product" to "make money by doing what makes money"
Jason Sanders
Neptunia and DoA are examples of series only in it for the money. However, sales from them funded much more interesting and passion-driven series so it's not all bad. You can easily see how much Jeff loves his job, and the fact that he delivers everything himself even though he isn't a great speaker and plays the game extensively himself is great. Can you really say the same about Gaben?
Sebastian Wright
actually he doesn't enjoy what he does, he isn't a crazed gunman hes an assassin
Camden Torres
>Nostalgia blinds your judgement I just jumped into this conversation, and what's my previous comment have to do with how 'deep' Sniper's character is? All I stated was he enjoys what he does and you get that from his banter. In the end, none of the TF2 characters are that deep, it's nine crazy people being paid to kill one another. But, Valve has had more time to add fluff to TF2. Even without all of Meet the Team and the comics, you get an idea of what each class is about from their dialogue and weapons to their cosmetics and that ranges from Soldier's insane patriotism to Pyro's lack of sanity. You visually see and hear what all nine mercs are about because it's constantly on display in anyway possible.
Logan Green
I mean it's a blizzard game. They can't write at all.
Easton Martinez
Contrast this to Overwatch, where every character is just a DA concept art brought to life by a soulless corporate team of Pixar animators.
Ethan Campbell
Overwatch got addicting, ever changing gameplay because of the vast majority of character combination and because its a quality shooter.
Logan Fisher
Zenyatta's personality is so blatant that you need to be actually retarded to not know it.
Grayson Nelson
>Overwatch got addicting, ever changing gameplay Except it's the exact opposite. I grew bored of it in less than two months.
Austin Ortiz
Like McCree and Junkrat, he doesn't so much have a personally as he has a popculture archetype he's modeled after.
Mason Phillips
I was talking about the medic in tf2.
Thomas Ramirez
Just like most Overwatch characters
Christopher Scott
24 characters that play completely different from each other.
Tons of different team setups
Ultimates creates another layer of depth that tf2 can only dream off
Blizzard polish
Its the ultimate class based multiplayer FPS game really
Colton Collins
You're actually in the minority. Overwatch has sustained a very healthy playerbase. I started playing a few weeks after release, and everyone else I know who owns the game (both IRL and added though games) are still playing.
Tyler Price
>TF2 Stereotypes
>Overwatch Realistic personalities
Aiden Gonzalez
Boston boy who talks tough,crazy german medic and strong russian guy aren't though
Nathaniel Barnes
>Scout: cocky >Soldier: deluded >Pyro: comical >Demoman: drunk >Heavy: kill-happy >Engineer: candid..? >Medic: mad scientist >Sniper: professional >Spy:gentleman You were right, now let´s fix some things below.
>Genji: Weeb >McCree: Muh gunner shit >Pharah: Muhh dark elve waifu maymay >Reaper: edgy >Soldier 76: Muhh oldfag soldiah >Sombra: Muhh Dark Elves Waifu with latex >Tracer: Fast&Smart4uM8 >Bastion: comical >Hanzo: Weeb >Junkrat: DUDE J0K3R LMAO >Mei: Fat Chubby Shit waifu >Torbjorn: Dude ENGINEER DWARF LMAO >Widowmaker: Muhh waifu darkskin elven shit >D.Va: gyuise assian waifu with teeny aspect lmao >Orisa: Phoenyx for centaur waifus. >Reinhardt: Dude im the tank lol >Winston: shit >Zarya: dyke..? >Ana: ??? >Lucio: Dude im nigger and im not stealing lol >Mercy: Muhh healer pj for waifu shitters and women >Symmetra: orderly >Zenyatta: interesting actually
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Luis Baker
My mistake. However, if I wanted the Medic experience I could get about 90% of the way there by using Mercy without her shift/slow descent abilities. I find Medic less interesting because he incentivises being a pocket healer due to overcharge. Mercy is boring compared to Zen, but even then she's got a much more dynamic playstyle since you're zipping back and forth almost constantly.
John Perry
I mean the real problem with overwatch is that the game isn't satisfying on the DM level, compared to TF2.
What you're describing is accurate, definitely. But the issue isn't the personalities. It's how sterile their interactions are. >I love your music, I'm your biggest fan haha Compared to >You are an englishman in a dress
Even though Meet your Match was a poor update, it still has more character than the entirety of Overwatch.
Logan Murphy
Who cares when it got superior gameplay?
Jackson Smith
But TF2 has superior gameplay.
Even if it goes F2P at some point, Overwatch won't last ten years the way TF2 has.
Gabriel Bell
Every blizzard game can easily last 10 years and more because of the sheer quality.
Tyler Scott
>Implying nu-Blizzard can make games that survive 10 years >Implying Diablo 3 isn't ded after 5
Wyatt Ramirez
TF2 is a shallow husk of the game is was in late 2012 early 2013.
Anyone that says otherwise is fucking delusional.
Cameron Scott
There isn't a single Blizzard title that's lasted ten years in active development (Still getting updates beyond bugfixes) without a paid expansion.
TF2 has had no paid expansions at any point.
Joshua Mitchell
TF2 was milked for cosmetics while barely adding any gameplay-related stuff in 10 years, and a lot of the stuff they did was paid. Shit on lootboxes all you want, but OW has regular free updates that drop good additional content like characters. Gameplay-related items aren't locked behind a paywall (is that the loving passion-driven dev team at Valve?) so everyone is on the same page. You could stop playing for 2-3 years and jump back in without a diaadvantage. TF2 has barely been alive for years anyway, it's been a skeleton team churning out cosmetics and fucking up more with each update since they have no idea what they're doing . What happened to the big overhaul that was meant to pull everyone back?
Connor Gomez
Except the same core game is there.
Even as a shallow husk, it's deeper than Overwatch.
Jayden Morgan
I never denied that. On either side no game has particularly deep characters. Saying that though I'll more often than not side with TF2's character portrayals because I prefer their belligerent belittling of one another a lot more.
Andrew Evans
>zenyatta >comical
1. he's objectively the best character in the game. A good zenyatta can carry the entire team, even with console controls. Time it right and he can kill anything with medium health using charge shots. With reinhardt and hanzo, you'd be stupid NOT to pick him 2. he's not "comical". Have you ever even played overwatch? I don't think you have.
Julian Green
>Ultimates creates another layer of depth that tf2 can only dream off Ultimates are simply the most blatant aspect the "slow-buildup-quick-reward" skinner box feedback loop that maintains the entire game. There is no depth to them - just play the game and press Q to win when you're prompted to (inb4 "you need to know the right moment" - it's still a completely boring and skillless system. It doesn't even have a risk-reward aspect like the Medic's Ubercharge, you just keep playing until you get a Q). The thing about Overwatch, as much as "every class plays different from each other", all their uniqueness amounts to their abilities. The moment-to-moment gameplay of almost all classes is pretty much the same. All classes have the same movement speed and comparable healthpools. Most weapons feel the same. All maps feel and play the same. It's fucking boring. As for "tons of team setups", the game forces you to play in very specific team makeups or else you will be steamrolled. The entire gameplay revolves around counters-countering-counters and abilities rather than actual technical skill, both concepts lifted straight out of MOBA. It's a system that rewards shit plays that know the meta and punishes actually good FPS players. For this reason alone this game should be seen as a "team based FPS" - it's a first-person MOBA masquerading as an FPS.
Michael Hughes
>TF2 has had no paid expansions at any point.
Just tons of shitty updates that might aswell be expansions.
Michael Edwards
Junkrat and Roadhog never ever say 'cunt'
0/10 not realistic Australians.
Jayden Gomez
>Paywall >You can craft weapons on launch day >You can try them for free >You can get permanent drops for free >No gameplay related stuff Except for Payload, Payload Race, SD, Around 40 new maps, Medieval, PASS Time, Player Destruction, MvM, Competitive, Contracts and Halloween maps, right?
Unless you consider shitty elimination maps with reused assets and some homogenised heroes to be better than all of that.
Yeah, for free. Unlike Warlords, Cataclysm and several other shitty expansions.
Charles Nelson
Then go play Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball or Senran Kagura.
Ryan Walker
I never said it wasn't, but it hasn't "lasted"."Lasted" isn't the word I would use.
Unless by lasted you mean "Painfully drags itself into each new year hemmoraging players at an alarming rate and adding community-made cosmetics as "content" because Valve is a bunch of lazy cunts." Then ok, it's lasted. >INB4 "Hurr Blizzard shill" Overwatch is shit, but don't defend TF2, it's become faggotry of the highest degree.
Luis Martin
>2. he's not "comical". Have you ever even played overwatch? I don't think you have. A monk-robot that spews generic "inspirational" empty quotes is pretty comical.
Nolan Harris
just let it go your game is dead
Juan Evans
Ever notice how almost all Overwatch shills are frogposters and use reddit spacing?
Matthew Cooper
There's still an active playerbase. >TF2 is dead meme
It's Valve's loose company architecture that is why TF2 falls by the wayside, because nobody wants to develop for a 10 year old game when they could be playing around with overwatch.
TF2 has major issues with it, but it's better than Overwatch.
I mean it's at a point where this summer update will either revive the current playerbase (I doubt anyone will reinstall at this point), or kill it off.
Lincoln Lewis
>TF2 has barely been alive for years anyway
Pic related, one of the most played games from Steam. With more than 10 years where the community never gives up.
Meanwhile you have OW, where they added cosmetic shit because it´s full of aspergs and the game was so dead that they needed to make a drop system for it. Don´t be delusional here, OW sold well, but will be dead in no time cause it lacks everything that made TF2 good.
Hudson Miller
The characters aren't entertaining in the slightest. The TF2 mercs have way more personalities even from the domination one-liners they have against each class. Overwatch is literal casual babby SJW mode since they don't want to "trigger" or offend people. Can't have people typing gg ez without people getting incredibly salty.
Thomas White
>overwatch >shit moba that tries to appeal to every fucking demographic at once >tf2 >fps locked away behind the entire trading system and the devs fucking up balacing with each update
Elijah Roberts
Note that Blizzard don't release player numbers either. Just the 3 million sales.
Lincoln Gonzalez
I don't think you understand how to play Overwatch. Hero switching is one of the most important mechanics. You're not meant to be jack of all trades, you're meant to be competent with at least half the cast so you can switch on demand. Did you just try and main Soldier and get bored a few hours in? Have you even played it? Orisa may have elements of Bastion, Reinhardt and Zarya but she plays unlike any of them. Tracer and Sombra might share light similarities but you're a shitty player if you don't utilise them properly. TF2 heroes are deliberately more capable of filling multiple roles, but that's because the roster is so limited. Games feel stagnant a few weeks into playing.
Tyler Roberts
Overwatch broke 30 million players not long ago.
Juan Hernandez
I (regrettably) bought overwatch shortly after release, played it for a few weeks and then dropped it. I am technically an "Overwatch player".
Justin Murphy
What does Cataclysm have to do with Overwatch? Is it a valid complaint to say I disliked Portal 2 so Overwatch is better?
Justin Hernandez
>Hero switching is one of the most important mechanics. You're not meant to be jack of all trades, you're meant to be competent with at least half the cast so you can switch on demand counters & meta > actual skill
Jonathan Long
In terms of sales. They don't show the "consistent" player base that returns to the game year after year.
Carson Wood
Blizzard only shows the number of players when they rock the charts. Remember when Legion was released? GUISE MUH 2135915891 MILLIONS AGAIN!1!! Meanwhile there were like 1 million at peaks, in one month, only 500.000. When they don´t show you the numbers, it´s because the game is dying, it´s always the same with them.
David Thomas
You need skill to excel. You also need a varied skillset. To be a good player you need to be solid at all roles, not just spending hundreds of hours exclusively playing Soldier to fuck around on rocket jump courses.
Ian Watson
Which has little to do with daily active users
Asher Cook
It's like comparing WoW and FF14, both are similar genre, but, listen, they are DIFFERENT GAMES. On a side note I fucking hate both games for either reason, but if I was forced to play one of my previous examples I'd probably go with a WoW private server or 1.0 ARR (yes it was incredibly awful but shit was hilarious)
Leo Scott
>Active playerbase meme >Being this delusional
It's been known since Gun Mettle that the game is exhaling it's final, ragged breath. It started after Two Cities and the last few clown fiesta Halloween updates have really driven the nail in. Hell, even smissmass is just a festive weapon cash grab.
I don't even consider TF2 the same game anymore, with autistic bonus ducks being a literal thing in the game and not a joke (and increasingly retarded cosmetics that bend the art style more than any sane developer would allow). And I'd go so far as to say recently with the game becoming TF:GO, the best decision Valve could make is to shut down official severs and maybe the 2 people they have working on the game can stop pandering to TF2's largely retarded fanbase so they can focus on something else.
But yeah, the game is better than Overwatch, but only marginally so.
Oliver Wright
>You're just bad at the game 76 is a generalist, he's literally designed that way.
The playerbase don't work with the hero switching mechanic, they play their "mains" and bitch at anyone who breaks meta even to counterpick, I don't play Overwatch because I don't find it satisfying. Orisa just felt lazy to me even though I know she does play differently.
I was talking about Blizzard games in general, because if I had just said 10 years, people would go but WoW, which has had several paid expansions and is an MMO. Feel free to talk shit on Ricochet man. It works fantastically on a marketing level, for sure. But I wish there was player numbers available just because I'm curious as to the staying power of Overwatch, it seems to dip after like 2 weeks into a season or a hero has come out.
Carter Morris
Role switching is a "mechanic" in TF2 you fucking dipshit. If you've ever watched a 6v6 game people with the "utility" role need to change classes depending on the situation all the time. Google it.
Caleb Mitchell
I can find a game in less than 30 seconds on casual, compared to Overwatch which always puts me in a Skirmish and takes a good 2 minutes, whether it's Quickplay or Comp. (Comp is more understandable because it's looking for similar skilled players.)
I'd deem that a more active playerbase.
James Edwards
Man, fuck Ricochet.
Landon Phillips
>It's another episode of "increasingly nervous man claims overwatch will die this month for sure"
According to you faggots Overwatch was dead during the second week it was out. When will your doomsaying come to fruition? I want these threads to die, please try to be more accurate when you declare something dead.
Adrian Collins
To be fair, it goes both ways. TF2 isn't dead, it's an old man with Alzheimer's. Some days he's like he was back when he got married and you remember the good old days. Others he yells at you and spits in your face, telling you he doesn't know who you are, and you don't know him any more.
Nolan Carter
I find games instantly in quickplay, maybe it's your region? Idk, I've never had that problem.
Still, I play Overwatch the same way I used to play TF2 in the last months I played it, I only play with friends because they're too autistic to play other games.
If Valve can really sell me on them turning the franchise around, I'd reinstall in a heartbeat. But I can't imagine they care about T2 anymore :(
Charles Green
But people have been declaring TF2 dead for years, and it's only just now passing away (albeit slowly). I can't do another 5 years man, I'll break.
Chase Watson
They need to make a TF2 Classic or a TF3 to get people to care about the series.
Current players will either fuck off or start playing a lot more with the Jungle update, but that's about as far as it'll go.
John Jenkins
>Reinhardt: deluded >not Big Guy
Ryan Clark
Even if we have a renaissance of TF2, it won't last another five years I don't think.
Caleb Jones
Rein was designed to be the type of guy you'd find as a regular at a pub that buys everyone drinks. Giant but cheerful and chill. Not deep but not just generic tank man.
Joseph Wilson
Damn shame.
Now that I think about it, the community servers was what was keeping the game afloat. Are there any good ones out there that survived? My nostalgia boner is tingling.
Jason Cruz
Overwatch is shit.
Nathan Baker
reddit spacing isn't a real thing. fuck off Sup Forums t. hate Overwatch
Christian Reed
Put that thing away
James Davis
I mean, the community servers I play on are just shitposting mostly.
There's plenty of stuff if you just search for the map you want to play. Not too sure about quality though.
Asher Martinez
It'll be the same as always. I'll play 4 rounds of nucleus, get really sad when I see a Banana hat, and uninstall.
Connor Cook
Honestly I find TF2 characters and the game in general to be insufferable. Reminds me of the sense of humour me and my friends had when we were 13, except we grew up, you apparently haven't.
Jaxon Hernandez
4u
Wyatt Ross
yeah, overwatch is more diverse characters thanks for proving the point
Easton Nelson
The problems with Overwatch are all about gameplay, bad maps and bad modes. None of the peripheral shit matters compared to that.
