>adults are evil and just keeping us kids down
How do they believe this? Don't they realize adults are just old kids? Meanwhile these guys are just brainwashing people they don't like for internet fame and money. Phantom Thieves are the real villain, right?
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No, that's just good oldschool anarchy / teen rebelling.
I pity the "adults" who've totally forgotten their entire childhood, or never had any. Those people tend to be total pricks, literal no-fun-allowed enablers.
That's literally Sup Forums
Go look at how many of the social links are adults and read the stupid shit you just typed again.
They're not brainwashing people, they're resolving their deepseated issues. The personality change is a side-effect. Goro brainwashes people, using a very different method.
>missing the point
It's not about adults, but the way Japanese society is fundamentally fucked. I mean, the game basically spells it out for you that you'd need literal magic to fix the social issues in the country.
resolving someones "deepseated issues" against their will by inceptioning into their mind and killing/stealing parts of their subconscious is brainwashing
I think it's heavily routed into Japanese society, where seniority is king, and it is a big problem. So I think it's lost on other cultures. I will say P5 did a pretty bad job in the story telling department though.
So I finished this today. Should I bother with the NG+ or just play something else?
Other than the Twin fight there's really nothing going for NG+.
Except it's not actually against their will. It only works when the person chooses to change themselves. Forcing a change or killing them is what Goro does.
Play something different I'd say. Persona games do not lend themselves well to immediate replays.
The game is an over the top allegory for how shifty Japan is. It's so mired in the worst kind of conservative hell that the only way to address it is with biased, one sided, cartoon writing.
Only visit, never stay there.
>a rapist
>Someone who let a woman died to steal her painting
>A corporate fat cat that was abusing employees and assassinating the competition
>Dindu nuffin!
You're just a shitty adult user
>Teacher who assaults students and makes sexual advances on them
>b-b-but he didn't do nothing! Those punk kids are being too biased! They know nothing of the adult world
yeah how bout you fuck right off
Nothing the Phantom Thieves did was wrong
No. Japanese adult life is absolute cancer. If I was a japanese kid I'd GTFO as soon as possible.
that's sort of the point. They write adults to who would basically be okay, or questionable, and then kind of cram in something extremely evil. Cheap stupid writing, they want to make sure nobody doubts their heros intentions.
It's like if in Star Wars they had to make the Emperor turn out to be a kid diddler because they were worried you might think he was alright.
The protagonist's intention was always staying out of shit, they had no choice until Okamura.
What if you were to give this game to, say, twenty... intelligent people i mean, what would that do? Let's face it what would it do?
That's not the message at all. The message is that evil adults are evil, and the rest are partially guilty for not standing up to them. Which is entirely 100% accurate to reality.
After finishing the first palace, I was sure they were going to do that, the plot would have some bullshit reason where ANOTHER adult comes and forces them into it. But no, it was always just assumed they would keep on phantom thieving, without giving an explanation. And they agreed, they openly stated, they would seek out celebrity targets so that it would generate more attention
>Except it's not actually against their will.
Yes, Shido totally wanted to change. That's why he even went so far as to kill himself to prevent the change.
What are you talking about? Sup Forums is 100% children and manchildren
I find that most people do't disagree with the premise of the story (which is the insane culture in Japan), but with how it's presented/told. Basically what irked me and seemingly many other people is that P5 takes serious issues, but then solves it/waves it away with magical bullshit. Also the fact that the antagonist for each month has to be so cartoonishly evil to paint the Protags as the ultimate good, even though what they're doing is morally grey at best. The only humanisation of the antagonists is after you beat them in which you get a block of "I was treated like shit too" which is very bad writing, plus incredibly formulaic, and grating after a while.
If P5 was less formulaic in handling each month and the antagonists, I doubt as many people would be criticising it. Plus if the writing team spread the "I was treated like shit too" moment throughout the palaces as visual elements, treasure, notes, random ramblings of the mind etc. rather than as just one block of "feel sorry for me!", the writing would've improved greatly.
Honestly my main disappointment with P5 can be summed up into Atlus played the game too safe in everything from gameplay to story. It's annoying to see a good concept wasted on a story that played it safe.
with some characters, such as Kamoshida, it seems like they wrote a nice likeable alpha guy, and then wrote a bunch of betacucks distorted image of him. They are the ones projecting the castle/crown onto him, not himself. And of course it can't just be that the athletes just are pushing themselves, he is physically abusing them and forcing them to keep quiet, and that the women aren't actually interested in him (even though IRL they would be all over him), he has to threaten them into dating him
His shadow not himself
you guys nit-pick too much just to shit post about a game
Nah man, he literally temporarily kills himself to collapse his palace.
>never had a childhood
>just a shut in my entire life who was made fun of by my family, friends, and classmates
>grow up alone with the internet as my parent
>become a fun loving and easy going guy
>not offended by anything, can get along with anyone even if its hitler
>never get attached to anything stupid
>have incredibly thick skin
>as an adult I'm starting to forget a lot of the thoughts and ideas that kept me going
>say fuck it, I'll just create new ones and try and stay positive
I just think the problem is people, not the circumstances.
I just finished this and WHY THE FUCK DO GETTINGS STATS TOO SLOW? I couldn't even START Makoto's, Futaba's and Mifumi's confidants until near the end of the game. Do I really have to NG+ ?
Yes. just take a break from the game for a while and come back thats what i did for P4G and P5
Those kids will learn there lesson one day
Not talking about the killing thing, but the desire to change came from his shadow not himself
>Do I really have to NG+ ?
Yes, unless you want to play the game on a very strict timetable with no room for error checking a guide for every day of the game you play.
Usually the first playthrough you focus on maxing out your social stats so you can go into the NG+ with only S.Links to do.
I did this game 3 times in a row (what a blast), you'll get used to it
I'll copy and paste what I said on /pg/.
>They only become the good guys in the Mementos Depths, when they realize that changing hearts is the opposite of their message: freedom.
>Then, later in the game, the attack that kills the Demiurge is Sinful Shell, an attack made out of the Seven Deadly Sins. The same sins that we were persecuting others for the whole game, we embrace and use as a weapon.
>3 times in a row
how did you not get sick of it?
Well yeah, persona protagonists are Lucifer's chosen ones. Edgy teens who will go down the Chaos route thinking they are doing the right thing. (And killing the goddess in the process)
I started a NG+ run, and even skipping all the cutscenes and fastforwarding all the dialogue, it'll still take like another 30 hours to get to the parts of the game where you can actually do the shit you want. P5 takes fucking forever to open up. Basic features don't unlock until like 2/3rds of the way through the game.
I had fun honestly, first time i discovered the game, second i made all the slink and stuff and third was a solo run with minmaxing personas.
Morgana wanted to keep doing it so he could discover the depths of Mementos
Ryuji was enjoying the thrill of being admired and not loathed for once, while Ann was having fun too
So they do the second job because they were enjoying the attention. Yusuke and Makoto stick around for the ride because they're just glad to be part of something.
Heist 3 starts because Makoto's blackmailing them, Heist 4 starts because Futaba blackmails them, Heist 5 is them being played by Shido, where they're getting too big for themselves. Okumura dying at the end is the humbling point, it drags them back down to earth.
the only one where it's questionable why they continued was Madarame, and that was basically 'we heard rumours he was a twat, and we had fun last time playing heroes, so we'll investigate'
>third was a solo run with minmaxing personas.
You mean you played through with only MC or something?
This.
Westerners will never understand how fucked up Japan is.
Especially Europe, with their 10 hour work weeks and 6 months vacation time.
>the only one where it's questionable why they continued was Madarame, and that was basically 'we heard rumours he was a twat, and we had fun last time playing heroes, so we'll investigate'
This is something Sae asks you when she visits you in your detention at the end of the game, and there even is an intern monologuue in MC's head telling him "yeah if you didn't met shido at the buffet (before madarame) phantom thieves may have stopped" and you realize that it was destiny that pushed you that way because of the whole yabadabadoo vs igor game
Yup MC only through all dungeons + mementos
yeah, so you agree, they are fucking nosey shitheads who should mind their own business or kill themselves
t. white knight
After beating the shit out of it, yes and then suddenly it felt apologetic. It's like getting stopped for speeding. Real Shido didn't want a change of heart though and even if you argue that there still was this part of him, his own natural twisted desire overshadowed that little moral fiber.
That sounds like fun, user. I might try that.
That's exactly what LotGH did.
>adults are dumb and coward
>we young are smart and brave xD
>123 hour work week
>max 2 meals per day, sometimes 1
>average 6 hours sleep per day. 2 hours on monday.
>3 hours "free time" in the whole week
>"dude why are our suicide rates so high"
>"dude how come our birth rates are so low"
Japan is like one giant slave labour camp. I see people on here a lot complaining/wondering why western devs can't achieve the same things as japanese devs with similar/more budget. This is why. Japs don't get to live like human beings.
Be careful some parts and tricky and some bosses (at least on hard) are not possible to defeat completely alone, like the holy grail for example
In the end do they still have their phantom thief powers?
Adults are evil. We created a pretty shitty world. We expect everyone to perform gruelling mind numbing repetitive tasks for 16 hours a day in order to live, lest we starve to death. And if we don't do it with a smile on our face, we're fired.
It feels like the design team changed their minds about parts of the game after Madarame, because I honestly couldn't give a shit about Kaneshiro due to how little we really knew about him, only knowing the crap he did in his Palace. Honestly I feel like they were going to include Mementos into being an important part of the game to find information on the next targets, y'know like how we find out about Madarame's shit from his pupil who we helped. That way, you would've been more interested in the arc villain since you would see the damage he's done and escalate this per arc, hell they could've done this with Futaba and Sae too(isn't it weird that the female bosses aren't actually evil) to lead up to them and give you hints/clues as to what is wrong with them, rather than their Palace answering everything wrong about that person.
different context
seniority is really a big thing in most Asia country culture and it's annoying as fuck
Yeah but they can't access them since the Metaverse is gone. So if it comes back for the inevitable spin off game they'll be set and ready to go.
Fighting the twins is pretty cool but I would recommend you play other games
I'd chalk that up to the fact that the first guy doing the story set out the groundwork and started fleshing out the early parts of the game but they forced him out and had other writers flesh out the rest.
No, and it fucking sucks.
They'll just retcon with some "the metaverse is back!" BS though.
>isn't it weird that the female bosses aren't actually evil
LE EPIC SJW CONSPIRACY xD
why should I care about what happens to others. People are always needing shit fron me, so needy. I rather keep to myself and turn a blind eye. there is no incentive for helping others, esoecially if thru can turn on you for simple shit like fapping to furrry or loli or smoking weed
didn't he rape that girl
The worst part is all the people treating the game like its the best thing since sliced bread. It had a lot of potential, the first palace being probably being one of the best things in the series but all of that potential was wasted. The main culprit in my opinion is the fact that since P4's popularity Atlus decided that the best rout for the series is to become a self insert wifu series first and formost. Good writing doesn't matter with this series anymore, only flash visuals and pretty wifus to fuck because fans will eat up a mediocre story if it jerks em off enough.
They have the power of Persona, but since they lack the Evokers or proper training they can't summon it in the real world like the first four casts could.
You're retarded, P5 focuses on that stuff WAY less than 4, it's basically perfunctory at this point.
Do those alternate dimensions like the midnight hour, tv world and metaverse only exist if there's some god behind them?
I don't get why they can only use persona powers in those places too.
you sound like a shitty persona antagonist now
They can do it anywhere; it's just easier in the alternative worlds. Evokers allow you to summon anywhere; Fuuka does it in the real world in The Answer.
Sup Akechi
Man I am so glad I didn't have to do the overtime my Japanese co-workers were expected to do when living in Japan. That country already made me want to kill myself, this schedule would probably get me to do it.
I never finished that game, hated the no compendium thing.
>Adults are evil
The central theme of the game was people making judgements or decisions for/about you and not getting to make them yourself.
It just starts with the adults thing because it's the easiest and most simplistic beginning point. The more you continue, the more it moves past that.
TV world still exists.
They are different planes, closer to the collective unconsious that personas come from.
Makes sense that it would be harder to call them IRL.
They don't just change the hearts of adults.
There are plenty they target that are still in school and college.
They just change shitty people.
should they continue the P3 to 5 game mechanics or make up new one?
No reason to fix what ain't broken.
lol I don't see how that's a problem
you still didn't give me a reason why helping others is a priority and why ignoring things is bad
Well they did polish it, I can't imagine somebody starting from P5 to enjoy P3.
P5 sorta didn't focus on anything other than style desu. When you look at nearly every aspect of P5, it does come across as half-arsed.
The new director will probably change things up a bit, or maybe a lot.
I just hope we don't have to stick with Hashino's formula for plots. I'd love to see something that doesn't follow the exact same core story beats.
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Yeah Hashino is busy with Re: Fantasy and is done with Persona for the time being
The game is generally anti-Japanese society, and their honorific "respect you elders" stuff is a big part of that.
The concept didn't translate 1 to 1 with Western ideas, but basically the P5 cast is rebelling against the same thing people Punks or any other counter-culture rebel against.
Don't forget the guy who cheats in a video game.
The one year thing with exchange student?
I mean they did it straight 3 times.
Go back to your pancakes, Akechi
Yeah, I don't want that shit again. I also want the protagonist to be something besides the Fool again; it made sense for MC and it sort of made sense for Joker, but the decision to have Narukami be the fool is nonsensical.
I also want to stop having the god just sort of pop up at the end, and for the protagonist's ultimate Persona being the only thing that can stop it.
The moment I 100% gave up in hoping the writing of this game would be good was right before the big reveal. Like, I was already going through the five stages of grief but I went into acceptance when I saw the moment.
It was when Makoto opened her stupid ass mouth and asked if her sister was going to use her own personal investigation room for the culprit.
I mean, like what the fuck. That part wasn't even needed at all and the game would've been much better than the obvious drop that the PT were planning something. The whole thing with conversations being cut short was already making it too obvious but that moment just drove the stake home.
Like Jesus fuck.
>announcing a report
>reporting something that doesn't break the rules
following rules isn't bad, I can honestly get behind that. but I don't truly care about helping people. there is no incentive.
I don't get makoto's costume, what kind of rogue is she supposed to be?
I didn't care for Joker at the start but he really grew on me. Maybe it was the dissonance between his edgy design and persona and the fact that he's a decent person.
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She wasn't meant to be in the game, Hifumi was.
That's why Makoto's codename doesn't fit either.
He'll provably be star which is to show how super special he is as he is an MC.
Hanged Man may work too.
This is a meme.
Hifumi's design was originally used for a pirate girl. The design was probably reused when they realized they didn't have enough waifus. Everything else is speculation.
I had a feeling this was the case. Hifumi's design stood out way too much to just be a side character.
The thing is that in the first three games the MCs had just regular Arcana that showed their personality without them actually speaking. It's a nice touch.
DIRTY
Hifumi's design is literally a generic female NPC with a little ribbon.
In those games everyone could use other personas
At least the removal of that made sense; Philemon is weakened so he couldn't just hand out that ability.