On the right we have an MMO made by a team of nobodies shivering under the heavy boot of a greedy Korean conglomerate

On the right we have an MMO made by a team of nobodies shivering under the heavy boot of a greedy Korean conglomerate.

>best graphics in the genre
>best combat in the genre
>best job system in the genre
>best housing in the genre
>best PVP in the genre
>best character creator in the genre
>beautiful artstyle
>manages to merge realistic/practical and tastefully sexy costume designs seamlessly

And on the left we have an MMO made by the highly beloved, multiBILLION dollar giant that is Squeenix.

>ugly, flat, low res textures, low poly models and terrible lighting
>still uses the generic, archaic and monotonous tabtargetting system we've seen in every single MMO ever made
>mediocre jobsystems that serve as more of a time wasting minigame than an actual means of progressing your character and contributing to the in-game economy
>housing that serves no real purpose outside of being a house
>nonexistent pvp scene because of how horrible pvping in this game is
>extremely bare bones character creator
>ugly a sin and incoherent costume/monster/character design

What happened? I though Korean MMOs were supposed to be the ones holding back the genre.

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>Genderlocked and racelocked classes
>best on anything
Not defending ff at all but HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>single-player mmo in which other players are more of a hindrance than help
>race/gender-locked classes
>action-mmo meme
>no content
I tried to enjoy it because it had wizards in it, but there's just no reason to play.

>BDO
>best graphics
best screenshots maybe, have you even played the game? it runs sub 30 fps on every city, you can't walk 5 meters without a tree popping up in your face, the client is incredibly unoptimized and eventhough it's a fucking engine released 4 years ago it doesn't run well in top end super computers of today.

>job system
Again, what? you hit 56 and 90% of your old abilities become useless when you change to the advanced class.

I have nothing in favor or against FFXIV except for stupid weekly lockouts, but shilling BDO and ignoring the obvious flaws is a god damm blasphemy. Not to mention the cash shop wich allows people to throw away their savings into artisan memory only to downgrade their weapons and commit suicide.

The bait this time was too weak, user. I can't even bother to discuss it. I hate FFXIV passionately, even. Even then, this is just flat out weak.

BDO looks like someone with absolute shit taste started modding Skyrim.

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Not an argument
I'm not a big fan of genderlocked classes myself (even though almost every class has a gender alternative), but that's a nitpick at best.

>>single-player mmo
>it's bad because the game gives you the option of playing by yourself
>more of a hindrance than help
%100 wrong. A party boosts your potential in virtually every activity you do.
>>race/gender-locked classes
See above
>>action-mmo meme
Best combat in the genre. Tabtargetting trash is only made because devs are lazy and incompetent.
>>no content
Meme. Fishing, cooking, alchemy hunting, sailing, all the different forms of pvping, questing, grinding, transportation and trading of goods, managing workers, (literal) farming, I could go on. It has everything an MMO should have and far, far more.

>best screenshots maybe, have you even played the game
I have and it looks incredible in game.
>it runs sub 30 fps on every city
Get a better computer. Making an extremely detailed MMO with hundreds of players will obviously be taxing. Texture poping is an issue though, I agree.
>Again, what?
Cooking, alchemy, fishing, you know, actual jobs you can take up.
> ignoring the obvious flaws
Oh I'll never deny that the game is seriously flawed, but it's still by far the best MMO experience available and an incredibly well crafted game.

>hate [videogame] passionately
Why would you expend the time and energy to do something so retarded for something so trivial.

Black Desert looks good in screenshot mode an thats it.

What a fucking joke you are OP at least be honest.
Ugly fucking game, shit popping in an out everywhere, the trees, the floor, grass monsters.
It's so fucking jarring even maximum settings does little to change it.

Also the combats pretty shit. Anyone who's spent 5 minutes watching that trash knows it too.

>job system
>catch a horse
>bring to stable
>afk ride him for 12 hours so he levels
>procesing
>send your workers to grab wood
>leave your character processing afk for 12 hours while you masturbate
>fishing
>go to a hotsop and leave your character fishing 6 hours or more if you buy extra inventory space from the exclusive cash shop
>alchemy
>buy all the weed you can
>afk 4 hours making clown's blood
>every other job
>afk zzzzz

BDO is shallow as fuck, you've probably don't even have 100 hours on it if you haven't realized that.

>fishing
afk fishing
>cooking/crafting
afk crafting
>alchemy hunting
going afk while your workers gather shit for you
>sailing/traveling
afk travel
>pvp
p2win
>questing, grinding
Same thing. Gather a large pack and throw all your aoe at it until you can't see anything.
>trading goods
You can only trade to npcs, which takes the whole fun out of it.
>managing workers
More like craft/buy a fuckton of beer and then go afk

It's a game that isn't meant to be played.

>working takes time and doesn't let me precisely control the angle and strength with which I chop down trees in a hyper realistic manner

Please. Just try naming an MMO with a better job system. You can't.

The pop-in in BDO is atrocious though.

As far as gameplay is concerned I did give it an honest try but yeah it didn't feel great. Vindictus felt better imo

Korean Lineage grinder MMOs are all flash no substance. They churn out the same game over and over, just focusing on improving the waifus in the character creator but failing to ever address how incredibly shitty korean MMOs otherwise are. I bet within 5 minutes after leaving character creator you come to realize just how sleazy and cashgrabby the game is.

>best combat in the genre
I tried BDO because I fell for this meme.
The combat is boring, enemies lack balance. They're easy but take too long to kill.

Everquest 2 easy, Age of Wushu easy.

Mabinogi, Mortal, Archeage, Gw2, to a lesser extent, but at least better than the garbage in BDO.

>it's another "shill tries to trick people into buying black desert" episode
Bought for $6 when it was on sale on steam. Wasn't worth it.

And PvP is an awful, desync-infested mess with terrible hitboxes and heavily dictated by gear/level. If you're unequal, the weaker gets one shot. If you're equal, whoever gets CC'd first gets one shot.

Complaining about grinding in an MMO is just laughable .
>>best combat in the genre
It's %100 true.
>Everquest 2
Stopped reading.

>someone stronger than me will stomp me
Yeah, that's not a bad thing.
>whoever gets CC'd first gets one shot.
It's time for you to git gud

garbage game for retards

>someone beats me because the stats on his gear were higher
That's a bad thing.

Don't sperg if you haven't tried it, crafting in EQ2 it's basically it's own game, you can craft all day, sell your shit, buy more shit, craft higher quality shit, sell again, buy even better quality shit, sell again, repeat for a fuck long time. And the crafting is actually fun, not just go pick 3 thousand flowers so you can afk before you sleep.

Don't get involved in high level pvp then. The game provides enough different tiers to accommodate everyone.

>>It's %100 true.

Dude even Tera is better, and that says a lot.

The combat isn't that good man. I know you have time to justify your purchase because 90% of your game is afk but you aren't fooling anyone.

>high level
it's any level. there are no brackets.

Tera has solid combat, but by no means is it better than BDO.
Name an MMO with better combat.
Wrong.

>this tiny as fuck image
FFXIV Stormblood is not the type of game to have such small FFXIV Stormblood images. You're obviously trying to tarnish the name of FFXIV Stormblood and it's shameful since FFXIV Stormblood is such a good game. FFXIV Stormblood is something every should try out.

>Tera has solid combat, but by no means is it better than BDO.
Tera has shit combat and it's still better than BDO.

FFXIV unironically has some of the best crafting in the genre

>wrong
More like, right.

>actual interesting mmo struggling to survive
>bdo is successful with it's $30 costumes
This timeline was a mistake.

Bless is trash

Nope. And you still can't name an MMO with better combat than those two.
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Nope.

Better than bdo by a mile.

Cry more shill

Which interesting MMO is struggling to survive? It sure as shit isn't FFXIV. It's the healthiest sub-based MMO on thr market after WoW.
Unless that image you posted isn't BDO.

Blade and Soul has the best combat hands down, it's just the rest of the game that's shit.

And yes, FFXIV does have better crafting. It's actually active and a GAME instead of the "gather materials and push the auto-craft button" of every other game

It's pretty interesting people will defend a game that is extremely pay2win, plays itself a large portion of the time, and looks like shit. That's some nice tree pop in 5 yards away, bro.

I guess that just shows how desperate MMO players are these days. There's literally nothing else.

>still hasn't gotten a western release because even the publisher thinks the combat is trash

yeah okay lol

>confusing bless with bdo just because they're both korean mmos
das racist

Hardly. It's the same Korean bullshit

I've never even heard of Bless until just now.

you're a retard, I have a 1080 and the top tier i7 as of 6 months ago (can't be fucked to look up the model number, 7700 probably) and BDO runs about 50 FPS max settings 1080p with constant hitching and stuttering and looks like a shitty 360 game. FFXIV on the other hand has proper antialiasing and screen space reflections and gets 90-120 FPS on the DX11 client while looking like an actual high end computer game indoors and a decent 2010 era game outdoors

>le trash combat meme
It's cool that you can regurgitate what you've heard other people say. The combat is fine. People think every mmo now need action combat but they don't. Look at bdo, has pretty robust action combat what what good does it do when enemies are typical braindead mmo mobs? Bless' combat is tab target with one class that can cleave, it's pretty good. The problem is how unoptimized the game is.

Not really, bless is an actual well rounded mmo with shit to do. bdo is something you leave on in the background while you afk fish or something.

>gather materials and push the auto-craft button"
You need to selectively process materials through various different manners depending on what you want to craft. It's really no different than what FFXIV offers.

btw every MMO is trash and crafting is the worst mechanic ever shoehorned into video games.

BDO is F2P trash in korea and russia for a reason

You have no idea what FFXIV crafting is like, do you

>Not really, bless is an actual well rounded mmo with shit to do

Please list some of them.
Especially things that set it apart from other MMOs.

You can just stroll in here and say shit in regards to some weird niche game like that without giving examples.

I do. I've played both. They're basically the exact same thing and they're both terrible mechanics.

if you hate FFXIV combat then you hate MMOs at their very root. hotbar combat goes way back when MMOs used to be MUDs.

>best gameplay
Wrong. Not when Vindictus exists.

It's a shame everything else abour Vindictus sucks balls, I feel like a fucking heroin addict for the game's combat just because of all of the shit you have to sludge through to get to its meat.

It's not like there's been a good MMO recently. It all gets boring in the end.

I don't know how that's possible when you're so blatantly, nigh-hilariously wrong

I'm not trying to sell you on the game, fag. I was speaking in relating to bdo. Bless has a pvp focus but it still has dungeons and raids.

Consoles you fucking idiot

4.0 was held back by PS3, BDO was designed for high end PC's at the time

>proper antialiasing
FXAA is not proper antialiasing.
> like an actual high end computer game indoors and a decent 2010 era game outdoors
Top kek. Ugly, lowres, flat, repeating textures everywhere, terrible lighting and the overuse of ambient lightning don't make for a modern looking game.

>I'm not trying to sell you on the game, fag.

Then don't complain that your MMO is struggling.

>designed for 'high end PCs'
>has the draw distance of an N64
ahahahahahaha

I liked what little I played of XIV in the initial beta way back when.

Both games are shit but
>right is a prerendered promotional picture
>left is low-medium settings ingame picture

shitty bait
1/5 for making me answer

I'll do whatever I want, you fucking cuck.

I can't play the one on the right. Simple isn't it.

Not everyone gives a shit or plays video games enough to want to spend the equivalent of a Canadian college degree.

Minecraft is popular because literally anything can run it and anyone can play. Blizzard could drop the resources to make world of Warcraft rival crisis, but they won't because they opted for style over raw graphics.

The rest of the thread is bait.

Speaking of MMOs, are there any like Runescape that aren't Runescape? As in, reaching the level cap is basically not feasible, nor the point of the game? With a gazillion different skills?

this thread really highlights that Sup Forums has a serious problem with blanket generalizations and absolutism. i'm seeing a lot of people talking about the nuances of their preferred MMOs and then retards replying with "it's korean so it sucks" or "everything looks the same to me, a person who hasn't played most of these games"

>all the races are just cosplay

no thx

>I'll do whatever I want, you fucking cuck.

Except for play Bless this time next year, because it's struggling and will probably shut down.

>there's people in this thread who actually doubt about FFXIV having the best crafting system ever created

it's offensive even considering it's bait

What the fuck is bless. Nobody has heard of this shit man.

Although it does look miles better than ffxiv, like the perfect hybrid between bdo and ffxiv

>WoW has style

LMAO
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GOD DAMN THIS IS COMEDY

>Using 1.0 as the measuring stick.

Come on now. Post 2.0 isn't amazing, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as that shit.

>Blizzard could drop the resources to make world of Warcraft rival crisis
>crisis
It doesn't even look all that good anymore.

It's not even playable outside korea and a beta in japland, familia.
>will probably shut down
Probably yeah. It's down to one server in it's native land.
Two faction mmo with a focus on pvp but has pve stuff too. The gimmick people mention most is almost every mob can be captured and turned into a pet or mount.

>it's korean so it sucks
This has yet to be disproved

>Two faction mmo with a focus on pvp but has pve stuff too. The gimmick people mention most is almost every mob can be captured and turned into a pet or mount.

So Korean WoW where every class is basically a Hunter.
Riveting.

Having the best crafting system in a medium where crafting is inherently shite is not much of an accomplishment. There's a reason people use macros for it and the reason is that spamming skills isn't fun.

no matter what argument someone makes you would just say dismiss it anyway and render all their efforts pointless. debate is dead.

I played Tera for 5 months until I got bored. Running Kumasylum and Corsairs Stronghold everyday can only keep me so entertained.

Korean MMO's are flashy, empty garbage. FFXIV on the other hand has its flaws, but it is 10x better than any Korean shit.

I'd like crafting more if I didn't have to level all crafters just to be good at one.

I remember EQ2's crafting. It had some kind of whack-a-mole mechanic to improve quality. Most people just macro'd it, though, without caring about the minigame quality aspect. Still better than WoW "crafting" which was take shit to a workbench and combine with a button click (also macroable)

You get them as pets, not turn into a pet class. some give small buffs but that's about it. There's other gimmicks, like guild being able to capture capital cities, but I don't care enough to play salesman for a game that might not even release outside of asia.

Maybe when a good Korean MMO comes out, people will change their tune. But that has yet to present itself.

If you like dungeons and instances and killing bosses over and over; stay the hell away from BDO.

If you like player generated content like guild wars, sieging and conquering stuff, ingame politics and scheming like EVE Online; try BDO, you might like it.

>MUH GNOME DRUIDS !

Stop pretending to be retarded.

>killing bosses over and over;
But that's 90% of BDO's "endgame"

It's mentally unstable tranny from /tesg/ so just disregard everything it says.

No, it's not. You can hunt the field and worldbosses to gear up but it's not required as you get the same gear from night vendor way faster.

FFXIV is only popular because of the brand. Objectively, it's between mediocre and bad.

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BDO is only made to hook you into this game and never lets you leave.

It's disgusting that you can reach anything while you are afk. It is disgusting that you have to spend at least 400 $ to have the "basics".

If you want 4 tier 4 pets, you have to invest thousands in rng. You want a better looking armor? Makes 40 $. You want more than the shit tier bag space? Makes a few 100 $ PER CHARACTER.

BDO is a money grab and not worth playing.

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more Kugane

To me gook games look better but they don't know how to fucking translate or fix bugs.

>People are still shilling BDO

Why?

daytime

Lonely gooks eternally mad at Japan.

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