>your not allowed to watch my fireworks!
>i bought them, if you watch me wet them off your bascially stealing them from me
Your not allowed to watch my fireworks!
Lincoln Wood
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Christopher Price
>guy spends months developing the best fireworks design
>spends tons of money testing prototypes, buying stuff to make more
>finally comes out with the perfect firework
>some faggot snaps a picture of the blueprints for the new firework
>releases them to the internet
>fireworks manufacturers make this new design
>original fireworks developer loses the money and is disincentivised from making any further new fireworks
>faggots tell him he should be happy people are enjoying his design :^)
>developer has to sell his car and move back with parents because he lost so much money on development
Ayden Peterson
I wish I could make Ike Perlmutter move back in with his parents by pirating his shitty movies.
Alexander Johnson
>B-B-B-BUT M-M-MUH VICTIMLESS CRIME!
Jaxson Moore
If you watch your buddy play videogames he bought it's not immoral either. As long as money was spent on the good and/or service then no party involved is a scumbag.
Stop using retard analogies.
Brody Thompson
That's called intellectual property.
Sebastian Taylor
>original fireworks developer loses the money
What money?
Gavin Brooks
>watch a video of the fireworks
>"hey that looks pretty cool i wanna get that"
>spend like 30 bucks
>watch an extensive amount of gameplay to determine whether or not a game is worth buying
>"hey that looks fun i wanna get that"
>spend 80 bucks
>game is spoiled because you had to preview most of it so you didn't waste 80 fucking dollars
Ethan Brooks
Now make a food analogy
Angel Green
Fireworks in my state are supposed to be plain illegal in the first place, so that analogy doesn't work for me in a completely different way than usual.
(also fuck the cops for not enforcing the damn rules, I'm trying to sleep)
Adrian Cooper
waiting on a bad food analogy
Luke Perez
>on 4th of July food analogies become fireworks analogies
God Fucking Bless
Josiah Miller
>hamburger exists
>some guy tales a picture of it
>prints out and eats the picture of hamburger
>original hamburger is removed from existance
>someone goes hungry and dies because a copy of deleted the original
>people die when their hamburger is killed
Gabriel Brown
Except it IS a victimless crime, idiot.
Jordan Mitchell
>Poorfags trying to justify being leeches on society
Jackson Nguyen
There should be no property maaan everything should be free[ware] bro
The money he spent developing his firework creation.
>watching the entire game before deciding to pay full price on it
By that logic you'd watch countless videos on the firework type to the point of boredom and desensitization. Unless you're claiming its for the sake of friends, in which case the equivalent would be a splitscreen multiplayer game.
>man buy food to create perfect burger recipe
>man make perfect recipe
>homosexual steal burger recipe
>release burger recipe to world
>man can't sell recipe to burger factory because they already got it free
>homosexuals say "u shuld b happy we enjoy burger :3"
>man now not even afford burgers now
Alexander Cox
Yeah but if everybody pirates the game then no one buys the game, making the product essentially useless and worthless, making the author lose any money that hus game was worth in the process
Christian Smith
>heh, thanks for putting in all that money into developing this game.
>What, you want me to pay for it so you can make back your costs?
>LOL fuck off kikes i wasn't going to buy it anyway LOL >buying singleplayer games
Luke Howard
I don't understand arguments about piracy because I don't consider it a moral bad. You shouldn't get conditioned by jews that hard, guys.
Colton Cox
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Levi Kelly
No one's saying that piracy is okay, only that piracy isn't stealing. It's still bad and harmful to the industry but it isn't theft.
Gabriel Clark
Paying for something you can get for free is so stupid it should be considered crime instead of piracy.
Jackson Wright
>It's still bad and harmful to the industry
[citation needed]
Lincoln Anderson
Why do pirates always try to justify this?
Isaac Harris
here's another one for the bingo
"I can't buy the game anymore"
not like you'd put this in there. you're too vacuous a shitposter to even consider making OC rather than reposting something you saw someone else post
Josiah Evans
>Why does hardly anybody make single player games anymore?
Dylan Martin
Technically, piracy is bad and harmful to the industry. Developers and publishers won't be keen to invest in a product that's going to be pirated by everyone, they won't be making any profit at all. That said, piracy isn't as big of a problem as Ubi, Crytek and Denuvo are claiming. The Witcher series alone proves that you can make your investment back tenfold by simply making a good game even without any DRM attached.
Jeremiah Reyes
dwarf fortress is a single player game, and its developer has been receiving a livable wage through donations for years
David Adams
>I want to try before I buy it
Valid. especially since many games dont release demos anymore.
>Preorders and DLC
I pirate the living shit out of Paradox DLCs. fuck them, this IS a horrible DLC model which justifies piracy.
>Piracy is not theft
True. Its copyright and intellectual property infringement. Different type of crime.
>It's a port
In that case, it justifies the want to try it before I buy it. ports usually have shit performance.
>I dont trust/like this developer
Again, If I dont trust him, I want to test it before I buy it.
>There are some games that I cannot obtain legally.
Yes. Southpark stick of truth for example was blocked in my country for some odd reason. Not censored just outright blocked. there are several games which give me the not avaliable in region message on steam.
>It's just copying the game
technically true. you cant argue with facts.
>It's an old game so the developers aren't getting any money
Fun fact. Many developers dont get royalties at all. they got paid a flat rate to make the game, and not based on sale performance.
>if I like it I will buy it
I actually do that often.
>Emulation isn't piracy
Completely true. Getting the roms illegally however is.
>I want to see if my rig can handle it
Definitely.
>It's too expensive in my country
Again, see Paradox. See its recent repricing bullshit.
Now what do I win?
Ryder Carter
so is piracy wrong?
Carter Cooper
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Carson Miller
Piracy is stealing though. You're taking away their potential to make money.
David Carter
Why do anti-piracy moralfags have to justify everything?
Sebastian Williams
piracy is free advertising. there is no evidence anywhere online, in shops, or in people's imaginations that implies that piracy costs corps money
Luis Stewart
Which side are you on? Most of those sources don't argue one way or another.
Liam Reed
>Be me in 200000BC
>Ooga Booga spend ages trying to grow crops
>After finally succeeding, some faggot buys from me
>Faggot plants it and grows his own shit
>Start running out of business
At least I clubbed his wife across the head and dragged her back to my cave.
Jordan Gutierrez
More like
>niggers trying to justify being leeches on society
Nolan Martin
Because you're misunderstanding them. Most of the time, they're not trying to justify anything. Justifying would imply that they're doing something wrong which they then need to justify with other factors. Most of the time, this is not what's happening. You're simply projecting your own moral standards onto others.
Nathan Reyes
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That study is complete bullshit. The majority of piracy violations are for distributing. Where the fuck do you expect piracy distributors to get their content if they don't buy it? Of course they buy more, they make money off of it.
Ryder Martinez
How does the faggot know how to grow the crops he bought from Ooga Booga if Ooga Booga was the first to figure out how to grow them.
Lucas Perez
Hey you should add this retard to the mix
Xavier Hernandez
Copied method from ooga booga
Jaxson White
Doesn't Steam Refunds kinda solve a lot of this?
Zachary Johnson
Why don't companies enforce their own shit? Why isn't there any meaningful punishments for pirates?
Zachary Edwards
bottom feeder gets booty befuddled as their bantam brain bumbles with bewilderment
post evidence, not memes
Hudson Allen
Because it's incredibly difficult to decipher between those who purchased a copy and placed an .iso file on their computer from said copy and those who just copied the .iso file.
Cameron Torres
Explain why publishers would give a fuck if original is removed or not
Jeremiah Wood
Stop trying to justify piracy.
I don't need justification.
Jose Allen
> "Piracy doesn't hurt developers"
Yeah because they totally don't spend any money on anti-piracy measures. Denuvo alone is a million+ dollar endeavor. Who the fuck do you think pays for that, frogs?
Matthew Bell
Reminder that RF4 being pirated so much is what killed the franchise.
Adam Baker
that's their own fault.
Dwarf Fortress is free to play and distribute, and its developer still gets paid a livable wage every year by donors
Easton Cook
>Spend money on something you know will be defeated anyway
I don't want to justify or defend piracy, but this seems kind of like a stupid thing to do at this point. In my opinion anyway.
Christopher Anderson
That's fucking copyright infringement you moron
Owen Baker
So Ooga Booga, and anyone watching this happen, has been disincentivised from developing or discovering things because some faggot will just copy the end result and leave the discoverer with nothing.
Levi Thomas
A livable wage for one person != a livable wage for an entire company.
I don't give a fuck if people pirate or not, and do so myself for specific games, but you're retarded if you think that's an equal comparison.
Camden Ward
As I see it, piracy is like going to a place (lets say a spa for the sake of an example). They invested money in making the spa and maintaining it. If you go in without paying and occupy a spot (it has unlimited space for the sake of the example), you dont inconvenience anyone, but youre still getting the experience with no money. Most of the excuses used dont really work since the experience was worth enough for you to voluntaruly want to have it.
Elijah Sanders
No, Ooga Booga clubbed his wife in multiple ways, then went on to create fire and burn the ones that copied his shit.
Ooga Booga didn't take shit from anyone.
Grayson Mitchell
This. He should pay ooga booga a percentage of every crop planted.
Isaiah Nguyen
LOL is free, and it's the largest game in modern history
Ian Rivera
only 4 out of the 12 points, only if you buy it directly from steam (disqualifies GMG and other stores) and its a mess requiring over two weeks to process. Piracy is an easier, more streamlined method to test the game.
Dont like it, Delete it. Liked it, buy it. simple.
Jason Richardson
>dev spends million+ dollars on "solution" that doesn't actually solve their problem
Sounds like a self-inflicted wound to me.
Robert Richardson
Yeah, but I can't indulge on my own smugness if I use that.
Lincoln Wood
So what you're telling me is you want the future of gaming to be designed around microtransactions?
Brody Baker
I'm surprised to see a rational person so soon in this thread. He pretty much nailed it. To add on, piracy also affects revenue because of lost opportunity costs of pirated copies that would have otherwise been sales.
Brandon Smith
you're reaching
Leo Reed
>justify being leeches on society
It's free market bro. Publishers should invest more in protecting their assets instead of counting on some touchy feely good will of the customers
Logan Walker
look, no one really cares if you pirate media. just stop trying to justify it like you're doing nothing wrong. you're acquiring unauthorized copies of someone's work, which is illegal.
Jacob Turner
That's what piracy is my friend.
Noah Lee
Why is Sup Forums the only board that gives a damn about piracy. I pirate because I can get games, movies, tv shows, and hell even college textbooks for free. I don't have any kind of moral high ground justification. I like getting new (or old) things for free and if I can get a digital copy of something for free to save money, then I am going to do it no matter how much somebody cries.
Jaxon Jones
>me before piracy
I'll just wait for a sale
>me after piracy
I'll pirate the game now and buy later
Dominic Evans
Don't bring up retarded examples then dumbass.
>Oh this game is free and they're doing fine!
>It's built through microtransactions. Do you want all games to be like that?
>N-No stop reaching!
Aaron Smith
>quit trying to rationalize it like they're doing something wrong
ftfy
Juan Sanchez
Contrariness plus they feel piracy threatens gaming
Dylan Collins
Legal=/=Wrong
It also isn't universal.
Austin Rivera
you're a fool if you think that's what's going on
bye
Adrian Nelson
Piracy does not cause a net harm on the industry on average.
>The majority of piracy violations are for distributing
No, and technically no. For the first no:
If we look at piracy violations that have not led to any legal action, then it should be quite obvious that there are a lot more people downloading than distributing. Since the studies are surveys of random samples, the vast majority of the people who simply download, you're not going to find many people who actually distribute stuff there. The other study also defines the infringement level based on the amount of illegal content consumed, so distributors are no more likely to end up there
>This analysis segmented infringers into bands of 10% based on volume of content consumed illegally
For the technically no:
Most civil court cases are about people torrenting because of IP visibility and uploading making it easier to demand more money and making the case stick. Calling seeding distribution is a bit iffy. You should know what I mean. Criminal court cases are a bit different, as they generally requires profiting from copyright infringement.
Hunter Morales
>N-No you!
What a spicy vintage meme you anally-ravaged clown
Carter Jackson
80% because it gets replies.
10% paid astronauts claiming space turf
10% legitimate turkeyfuckers who think the other 90% are honest dudes on their side
+/- 5% from any given group for anons off their meds and having emotional swings making them take sides they otherwise wouldn't
Dominic Rodriguez
Why should I follow laws that can't be enforced?
Josiah Myers
>Emulation isn't piracy
That's fucking true though. I shouldn't have to buy a shitty port of DMC3SE for my pc when I already own a copy for PS2 and the DMC collection for PS3. And while I'm at it although I never bought godhand physically I'm still going to emulate it because I don't want to hunt for a decent real life copy.
Oliver Perry
There isn't one fucker on earth who only emulates games he already owns
Jaxon Price
I don't care for piracy and even pirate myself, but a lot of others here believe the odd-50 or so pirates running around on their platform of choice will damage their gaming future. I buy what I want to support and pirate everything else.
Noah Garcia
Only jews are against piracy. Coincidence?
Evan Reed
>bye
Holy shit you fookin rekted him mate like damn i bet he's fucking crying and shit man you fucking got his ass good with that he aint coming back from that no way no how he prolly cryin to his momma and shit he so butthurt about that epic pwnage he probly cant even hit reply through his watery eyes you got him good bro.
Isaac Martinez
i don't fucking care about justifying piracy fucking hell i steal games it's bad i don't care i'm poor screw off
Justin Barnes
Piraters ARE thieves though.
You can argue "it's not a lost sale" because you never intended on paying for it in the first place, but your poverty and obsession with not making a bad financial decision like buying a bad game makes you search for ways to pirate every game you can, and eventually becomes the only way you obtain games.
Don't give me that "I support games/devs I ACTUALLY like" bullshit because the truth is you buy games you can't pirate (if you can't wait for a crack), or that would inconvenience you if you tried to pirate (like multiplayer functions being restricted), and thus you don't buy games anymore, contributing nothing.
There's a word for someone who takes from something but provides no value in return, what's it called, a parasite? That sounds about right, I like piracyte better though.
Nathaniel Jones
Boom,this is the final answer
Logan Turner
By this logic companies like Nintendo are automatically in the wrong for downloading roms of their games from rom sites due to losing them.
And no, according to your image, it doesn't matter if they own the IP. They still gave ad revenue to the pirate website, which nullifies any legal protection they might have. Boy, copyright suuure is fun.
Camden King
>Piraters ARE thieves though.
Except its not theft is any form in any legal sense, its copyright infringement.
Owen Scott
I pirate and im close to owning 1000 games on steam. Therefore your argument is invalid and i get to call you a jew
Evan Allen
>truth is you buy games you can't pirate (if you can't wait for a crack), or that would inconvenience you if you tried to pirate (like multiplayer functions being restricted), and thus you don't buy games anymore,
Woah woah woah. Sometimes I buy games I've pirated
when they're 90% or more off their original price
Camden Lopez
And? I don't think other anons should have to pay for out of date hardware that another person has probably not taken very good care of, or "vintage" game "collectors" who over price the hell out of the station. I'm okay with them emulating. Sometimes it really is the only way for you to experience a game. Especially for young/poor anons. Also don't want to buy shitty ports or "HD" remakes for 30~40$. Considering how often companies outsource. Like with the Silent Hills HD collection. Hell the presentation in the DMC HD collection title is god awful to look at and is a huge confidence shaker for people who bought it first.
Andrew Bell
Piracy is theft because your getting a product your supposed to be paying for faggots
Asher Baker
serious question Sup Forums
apparently porn artists are really pissed off when you save a drawing on your computer and/or repost it somewhere, why?
I get that on youtube, people can monetize their videos and it's based on watch time (not views like before). So if you download the video and post it somewhere else, they don't get watch time, so no money.
Is it a similar system with tumblr and porn sites like hentai foundry? How does it affect the artist if their drawing is posted somewhere?
If they didn't get repost, how the hell am I supposed to discover them? I would have about 1/8 of the porn on my computer if I only got them straight from the source
I feel a bit guilty but at the same time I'm mad that they say I'm stealing or an asshole, I've been saving pics on my PC all my life, what is wrong with that?
Benjamin Cook
My man.
Michael Parker
You are literally pirating air, is that why you got such a big nose?
Juan Price
>there are some games I cannot obtain legally
What's wrong with this defense again? How am I supposed to play a game that released more than a decade ago by a developer who never even translated the game stateside, then proceeded to go bankrupt, while nobody ever bought the rights to resell the game? isn't this the entire reason abandonware and freeware were made as classifications in the first place?
Logan Cox
I actually do partake in the support the devs meme
I bought Kero Blaster because Pixel deserves money, pirated Fallout 1&2 because the original devs are dead and Bethesda sucks.
Sebastian Baker
But because I can pirate it I wasn't planning to buy it so it's not theft :^)
Julian Cruz
Piracy != lost sales.
People who pirate don't purchase a product. If a product is unavailable for pirating, then a pirate just don't play it.
The number of people who actually buy a product as a result of DRM would be a fraction of people.