Your not allowed to watch my fireworks!

>your not allowed to watch my fireworks!
>i bought them, if you watch me wet them off your bascially stealing them from me

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arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
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>guy spends months developing the best fireworks design
>spends tons of money testing prototypes, buying stuff to make more
>finally comes out with the perfect firework
>some faggot snaps a picture of the blueprints for the new firework
>releases them to the internet
>fireworks manufacturers make this new design
>original fireworks developer loses the money and is disincentivised from making any further new fireworks
>faggots tell him he should be happy people are enjoying his design :^)
>developer has to sell his car and move back with parents because he lost so much money on development

I wish I could make Ike Perlmutter move back in with his parents by pirating his shitty movies.

>B-B-B-BUT M-M-MUH VICTIMLESS CRIME!

If you watch your buddy play videogames he bought it's not immoral either. As long as money was spent on the good and/or service then no party involved is a scumbag.

Stop using retard analogies.

That's called intellectual property.

>original fireworks developer loses the money
What money?

>watch a video of the fireworks
>"hey that looks pretty cool i wanna get that"
>spend like 30 bucks
>watch an extensive amount of gameplay to determine whether or not a game is worth buying
>"hey that looks fun i wanna get that"
>spend 80 bucks
>game is spoiled because you had to preview most of it so you didn't waste 80 fucking dollars

Now make a food analogy

Fireworks in my state are supposed to be plain illegal in the first place, so that analogy doesn't work for me in a completely different way than usual.
(also fuck the cops for not enforcing the damn rules, I'm trying to sleep)

waiting on a bad food analogy

>on 4th of July food analogies become fireworks analogies
God Fucking Bless

>hamburger exists
>some guy tales a picture of it
>prints out and eats the picture of hamburger
>original hamburger is removed from existance
>someone goes hungry and dies because a copy of deleted the original
>people die when their hamburger is killed

Except it IS a victimless crime, idiot.

>Poorfags trying to justify being leeches on society

There should be no property maaan everything should be free[ware] bro
The money he spent developing his firework creation.
>watching the entire game before deciding to pay full price on it
By that logic you'd watch countless videos on the firework type to the point of boredom and desensitization. Unless you're claiming its for the sake of friends, in which case the equivalent would be a splitscreen multiplayer game.
>man buy food to create perfect burger recipe
>man make perfect recipe
>homosexual steal burger recipe
>release burger recipe to world
>man can't sell recipe to burger factory because they already got it free
>homosexuals say "u shuld b happy we enjoy burger :3"
>man now not even afford burgers now

Yeah but if everybody pirates the game then no one buys the game, making the product essentially useless and worthless, making the author lose any money that hus game was worth in the process

>heh, thanks for putting in all that money into developing this game.
>What, you want me to pay for it so you can make back your costs?
>LOL fuck off kikes i wasn't going to buy it anyway LOL >buying singleplayer games

I don't understand arguments about piracy because I don't consider it a moral bad. You shouldn't get conditioned by jews that hard, guys.

...

No one's saying that piracy is okay, only that piracy isn't stealing. It's still bad and harmful to the industry but it isn't theft.

Paying for something you can get for free is so stupid it should be considered crime instead of piracy.

>It's still bad and harmful to the industry
[citation needed]

Why do pirates always try to justify this?

here's another one for the bingo
"I can't buy the game anymore"
not like you'd put this in there. you're too vacuous a shitposter to even consider making OC rather than reposting something you saw someone else post

>Why does hardly anybody make single player games anymore?

Technically, piracy is bad and harmful to the industry. Developers and publishers won't be keen to invest in a product that's going to be pirated by everyone, they won't be making any profit at all. That said, piracy isn't as big of a problem as Ubi, Crytek and Denuvo are claiming. The Witcher series alone proves that you can make your investment back tenfold by simply making a good game even without any DRM attached.

dwarf fortress is a single player game, and its developer has been receiving a livable wage through donations for years

>I want to try before I buy it
Valid. especially since many games dont release demos anymore.
>Preorders and DLC
I pirate the living shit out of Paradox DLCs. fuck them, this IS a horrible DLC model which justifies piracy.
>Piracy is not theft
True. Its copyright and intellectual property infringement. Different type of crime.
>It's a port
In that case, it justifies the want to try it before I buy it. ports usually have shit performance.
>I dont trust/like this developer
Again, If I dont trust him, I want to test it before I buy it.
>There are some games that I cannot obtain legally.
Yes. Southpark stick of truth for example was blocked in my country for some odd reason. Not censored just outright blocked. there are several games which give me the not avaliable in region message on steam.
>It's just copying the game
technically true. you cant argue with facts.
>It's an old game so the developers aren't getting any money
Fun fact. Many developers dont get royalties at all. they got paid a flat rate to make the game, and not based on sale performance.
>if I like it I will buy it
I actually do that often.
>Emulation isn't piracy
Completely true. Getting the roms illegally however is.
>I want to see if my rig can handle it
Definitely.
>It's too expensive in my country
Again, see Paradox. See its recent repricing bullshit.

Now what do I win?

so is piracy wrong?

youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-inflated.ars
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
amitay.us/blog/files/piracy_doubled_my_app_sales.php
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers.ars
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars
ivir.nl/publicaties/poort/Filesharing_2012.pdf
torrentfreak.com/file-sharers-buy-more-movies-121018/
piracy.americanassembly.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Copy-Culture.pdf
techdirt.com/articles/20121114/07180721044/riaa-prefers-customers-who-buy-little-to-pirates-who-buy-lot.shtml
dslreports.com/shownews/Another-Study-Shows-Pirates-Buy-More-Content-124363
stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/telecoms-research/online-copyright/deep-dive.pdf

Piracy is stealing though. You're taking away their potential to make money.

Why do anti-piracy moralfags have to justify everything?

piracy is free advertising. there is no evidence anywhere online, in shops, or in people's imaginations that implies that piracy costs corps money

Which side are you on? Most of those sources don't argue one way or another.

>Be me in 200000BC
>Ooga Booga spend ages trying to grow crops
>After finally succeeding, some faggot buys from me
>Faggot plants it and grows his own shit
>Start running out of business

At least I clubbed his wife across the head and dragged her back to my cave.

More like
>niggers trying to justify being leeches on society

Because you're misunderstanding them. Most of the time, they're not trying to justify anything. Justifying would imply that they're doing something wrong which they then need to justify with other factors. Most of the time, this is not what's happening. You're simply projecting your own moral standards onto others.

dslreports.com/shownews/Another-Study-Shows-Pirates-Buy-More-Content-124363

techdirt.com/articles/20121114/07180721044/riaa-prefers-customers-who-buy-little-to-pirates-who-buy-lot.shtml


That study is complete bullshit. The majority of piracy violations are for distributing. Where the fuck do you expect piracy distributors to get their content if they don't buy it? Of course they buy more, they make money off of it.

How does the faggot know how to grow the crops he bought from Ooga Booga if Ooga Booga was the first to figure out how to grow them.

Hey you should add this retard to the mix

Copied method from ooga booga

Doesn't Steam Refunds kinda solve a lot of this?

Why don't companies enforce their own shit? Why isn't there any meaningful punishments for pirates?

bottom feeder gets booty befuddled as their bantam brain bumbles with bewilderment
post evidence, not memes

Because it's incredibly difficult to decipher between those who purchased a copy and placed an .iso file on their computer from said copy and those who just copied the .iso file.

Explain why publishers would give a fuck if original is removed or not

Stop trying to justify piracy.

I don't need justification.

> "Piracy doesn't hurt developers"

Yeah because they totally don't spend any money on anti-piracy measures. Denuvo alone is a million+ dollar endeavor. Who the fuck do you think pays for that, frogs?

Reminder that RF4 being pirated so much is what killed the franchise.

that's their own fault.
Dwarf Fortress is free to play and distribute, and its developer still gets paid a livable wage every year by donors

>Spend money on something you know will be defeated anyway
I don't want to justify or defend piracy, but this seems kind of like a stupid thing to do at this point. In my opinion anyway.

That's fucking copyright infringement you moron

So Ooga Booga, and anyone watching this happen, has been disincentivised from developing or discovering things because some faggot will just copy the end result and leave the discoverer with nothing.

A livable wage for one person != a livable wage for an entire company.
I don't give a fuck if people pirate or not, and do so myself for specific games, but you're retarded if you think that's an equal comparison.

As I see it, piracy is like going to a place (lets say a spa for the sake of an example). They invested money in making the spa and maintaining it. If you go in without paying and occupy a spot (it has unlimited space for the sake of the example), you dont inconvenience anyone, but youre still getting the experience with no money. Most of the excuses used dont really work since the experience was worth enough for you to voluntaruly want to have it.

No, Ooga Booga clubbed his wife in multiple ways, then went on to create fire and burn the ones that copied his shit.
Ooga Booga didn't take shit from anyone.

This. He should pay ooga booga a percentage of every crop planted.

LOL is free, and it's the largest game in modern history

only 4 out of the 12 points, only if you buy it directly from steam (disqualifies GMG and other stores) and its a mess requiring over two weeks to process. Piracy is an easier, more streamlined method to test the game.

Dont like it, Delete it. Liked it, buy it. simple.

>dev spends million+ dollars on "solution" that doesn't actually solve their problem

Sounds like a self-inflicted wound to me.

Yeah, but I can't indulge on my own smugness if I use that.

So what you're telling me is you want the future of gaming to be designed around microtransactions?

I'm surprised to see a rational person so soon in this thread. He pretty much nailed it. To add on, piracy also affects revenue because of lost opportunity costs of pirated copies that would have otherwise been sales.

you're reaching

>justify being leeches on society
It's free market bro. Publishers should invest more in protecting their assets instead of counting on some touchy feely good will of the customers

look, no one really cares if you pirate media. just stop trying to justify it like you're doing nothing wrong. you're acquiring unauthorized copies of someone's work, which is illegal.

That's what piracy is my friend.

Why is Sup Forums the only board that gives a damn about piracy. I pirate because I can get games, movies, tv shows, and hell even college textbooks for free. I don't have any kind of moral high ground justification. I like getting new (or old) things for free and if I can get a digital copy of something for free to save money, then I am going to do it no matter how much somebody cries.

>me before piracy
I'll just wait for a sale
>me after piracy
I'll pirate the game now and buy later

Don't bring up retarded examples then dumbass.
>Oh this game is free and they're doing fine!
>It's built through microtransactions. Do you want all games to be like that?
>N-No stop reaching!

>quit trying to rationalize it like they're doing something wrong
ftfy

Contrariness plus they feel piracy threatens gaming

Legal=/=Wrong
It also isn't universal.

you're a fool if you think that's what's going on
bye

Piracy does not cause a net harm on the industry on average.

>The majority of piracy violations are for distributing
No, and technically no. For the first no:

If we look at piracy violations that have not led to any legal action, then it should be quite obvious that there are a lot more people downloading than distributing. Since the studies are surveys of random samples, the vast majority of the people who simply download, you're not going to find many people who actually distribute stuff there. The other study also defines the infringement level based on the amount of illegal content consumed, so distributors are no more likely to end up there

>This analysis segmented infringers into bands of 10% based on volume of content consumed illegally

For the technically no:

Most civil court cases are about people torrenting because of IP visibility and uploading making it easier to demand more money and making the case stick. Calling seeding distribution is a bit iffy. You should know what I mean. Criminal court cases are a bit different, as they generally requires profiting from copyright infringement.

>N-No you!
What a spicy vintage meme you anally-ravaged clown

80% because it gets replies.
10% paid astronauts claiming space turf
10% legitimate turkeyfuckers who think the other 90% are honest dudes on their side
+/- 5% from any given group for anons off their meds and having emotional swings making them take sides they otherwise wouldn't

Why should I follow laws that can't be enforced?

>Emulation isn't piracy
That's fucking true though. I shouldn't have to buy a shitty port of DMC3SE for my pc when I already own a copy for PS2 and the DMC collection for PS3. And while I'm at it although I never bought godhand physically I'm still going to emulate it because I don't want to hunt for a decent real life copy.

There isn't one fucker on earth who only emulates games he already owns

I don't care for piracy and even pirate myself, but a lot of others here believe the odd-50 or so pirates running around on their platform of choice will damage their gaming future. I buy what I want to support and pirate everything else.

Only jews are against piracy. Coincidence?

>bye
Holy shit you fookin rekted him mate like damn i bet he's fucking crying and shit man you fucking got his ass good with that he aint coming back from that no way no how he prolly cryin to his momma and shit he so butthurt about that epic pwnage he probly cant even hit reply through his watery eyes you got him good bro.

i don't fucking care about justifying piracy fucking hell i steal games it's bad i don't care i'm poor screw off

Piraters ARE thieves though.
You can argue "it's not a lost sale" because you never intended on paying for it in the first place, but your poverty and obsession with not making a bad financial decision like buying a bad game makes you search for ways to pirate every game you can, and eventually becomes the only way you obtain games.
Don't give me that "I support games/devs I ACTUALLY like" bullshit because the truth is you buy games you can't pirate (if you can't wait for a crack), or that would inconvenience you if you tried to pirate (like multiplayer functions being restricted), and thus you don't buy games anymore, contributing nothing.
There's a word for someone who takes from something but provides no value in return, what's it called, a parasite? That sounds about right, I like piracyte better though.

Boom,this is the final answer

By this logic companies like Nintendo are automatically in the wrong for downloading roms of their games from rom sites due to losing them.

And no, according to your image, it doesn't matter if they own the IP. They still gave ad revenue to the pirate website, which nullifies any legal protection they might have. Boy, copyright suuure is fun.

>Piraters ARE thieves though.

Except its not theft is any form in any legal sense, its copyright infringement.

I pirate and im close to owning 1000 games on steam. Therefore your argument is invalid and i get to call you a jew

>truth is you buy games you can't pirate (if you can't wait for a crack), or that would inconvenience you if you tried to pirate (like multiplayer functions being restricted), and thus you don't buy games anymore,
Woah woah woah. Sometimes I buy games I've pirated
when they're 90% or more off their original price

And? I don't think other anons should have to pay for out of date hardware that another person has probably not taken very good care of, or "vintage" game "collectors" who over price the hell out of the station. I'm okay with them emulating. Sometimes it really is the only way for you to experience a game. Especially for young/poor anons. Also don't want to buy shitty ports or "HD" remakes for 30~40$. Considering how often companies outsource. Like with the Silent Hills HD collection. Hell the presentation in the DMC HD collection title is god awful to look at and is a huge confidence shaker for people who bought it first.

Piracy is theft because your getting a product your supposed to be paying for faggots

serious question Sup Forums

apparently porn artists are really pissed off when you save a drawing on your computer and/or repost it somewhere, why?

I get that on youtube, people can monetize their videos and it's based on watch time (not views like before). So if you download the video and post it somewhere else, they don't get watch time, so no money.

Is it a similar system with tumblr and porn sites like hentai foundry? How does it affect the artist if their drawing is posted somewhere?

If they didn't get repost, how the hell am I supposed to discover them? I would have about 1/8 of the porn on my computer if I only got them straight from the source

I feel a bit guilty but at the same time I'm mad that they say I'm stealing or an asshole, I've been saving pics on my PC all my life, what is wrong with that?

My man.

You are literally pirating air, is that why you got such a big nose?

>there are some games I cannot obtain legally

What's wrong with this defense again? How am I supposed to play a game that released more than a decade ago by a developer who never even translated the game stateside, then proceeded to go bankrupt, while nobody ever bought the rights to resell the game? isn't this the entire reason abandonware and freeware were made as classifications in the first place?

I actually do partake in the support the devs meme
I bought Kero Blaster because Pixel deserves money, pirated Fallout 1&2 because the original devs are dead and Bethesda sucks.

But because I can pirate it I wasn't planning to buy it so it's not theft :^)

Piracy != lost sales.

People who pirate don't purchase a product. If a product is unavailable for pirating, then a pirate just don't play it.

The number of people who actually buy a product as a result of DRM would be a fraction of people.